What does this dynamic do for expansion priorities? Does it change them at all?

Obviously, the SEC wouldn't be raiding the ACC, but might it make it more likely that the 2 leagues would cooperate on potential targets in other leagues?

Might I suggest this:

A semi-merger between the SEC and the Big 12...

Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas, and Iowa State to the SEC.

Now take West Virginia and TCU and send them to the ACC. Hopefully, ND goes all in at some point in the future, but for now you keep it at 16. Keeping the ACC membership a little lower also maintains higher payments as the potential for expanding the contract is limited right now.

Here's how I see this working market wise. The SECN, with a wealth of content and access to multiple regions, becomes what amounts to a must-have product for college sports fans in many markets. The ACCN is bundled with it though so even though the product is a little less attractive, it can get a large number of subs based on its attachment to the SEC. This also benefits the SEC as it has access to Northeastern markets it might not otherwise be in.

The same bundling concept works for streaming as well. If the ACCN ends up not being an OTA property then a pairing with an SEC version of a streamed network should gain similar results.

Of course, both leagues cooperate on scheduling agreements so that there can be interchangeable content.

The SEC is happy. The ACC is much more stable. ESPN should be pretty happy too.

Bringing in half the Little 10 = no thanks.

At most you need OU to add a new state and secure DFW and MAYBE Kansas to beef up basketball.

ACC adds West Virginia and Cincinnati and adds UT with similar ND deal. SEC adds Oklahoma and someone towards the East .

I think an ACC SEC network would work. Basketball with ACC and football with SEC. I would even do cross conference games in the middle of basketball season twice for rivals.

Louisville - Kentucky
Texas A&M - Texas
Texas - Oklahoma
Clemson - South Carolina
Georgia - Georgia Tech
Florida - Florida State

I wouldn't mind adding Iowa state and TCU to the SEC. I also could go for Oklahoma and OSU.

(06-16-2016 07:26 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  I wouldn't mind adding Iowa state and TCU to the SEC. I also could go for Oklahoma and OSU.

We need to pick up two quality western schools just for Arkansas, Missouri, and A&M's sake.

I can't speak for Arky or Mizzou but were more than happy to not share our recruiting with any Little 10 teams at all.

What we need is a pair of eastern teams in NC and VA.

It's the only move that makes any financial sense.

Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Kansas & Iowa St to the SEC. Texas, TCU, Baylor & WV to the ACC. With a P4 the CFP goes to champions only, ND & Cincinnati join ACC.

SEC
West- Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Missouri, Arkansas, Kansas, Iowa St

South- LSU, A&M, Alabama, Ole Miss, Miss State, Vanderbilt

East- Florida, Georgia, Auburn, SC, Tennessee, Kentucky

ACC
West- Texas, Louisville, TCU, Baylor, Cincinnati

North- ND, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, WV, BC

East- VT, Miami, NC, Duke, Virginia

South- FSU, Clemson, GT, NC State, WF

Combined network with an SEC/ACC challenge week plus the rivalry games.

Possible challenge games:
Florida v ND
Alabama v Texas
Oklahoma v FSU
Auburn v Clemson
LSU v Miami
Tennessee v VT
SC v GT
A&M v TCU
Ole Miss v Louisville
Vandy v Duke
Oklahoma State v Baylor
UK v WF

That would be an awesome week of football.

I just can not see Iowa State or Kansas in the SEC. Missouri was borderline but those put it over the edge. SEC if they do expand number 1 target is:

OKLAHOMA

I also think Texas would be an awesome add for the SEC would have all power football schools in the South in one conference except for Clemson and Florida State. I just do not think Texas or the SEC will go for it.

The question for the SEC is who can they get from the ACC for Virginia and North Carolina.
Number One Picks: North Carolina and Virginia (bring the South's oldest rivalry, AAU schools, baseball and basketball, decent size football stadiums). Duke is the question mark but if they get OU, UNC, and UVA, Duke would be the fourth in the perfect world for another private school in the South. If you get UNC and UVA, UT will probably follow for 19 schools which allows you to pick between Clemson, FSU, and GT for the 20th spot in the conference, but then they could just add all three and be at 22 and have everyone they ever wanted just need to add Rice and Tulane for two private AAU schools in large cities for the west and have 24 teams for four divisions of 6, with each division having one private school.
Number Two Picks: Virginia Tech and NC State both have large fan. Both larger schools then UNC and UVA. Basketball is ok, baseball is ok/good, football is good/ok.
Number Three Picks: The SEC might just stay put

The beauty of the SEC is that they're currently culturally cohesive, geographically contiguous, financially lucrative, and very successful competitively in the sport they value the most. They don't really HAVE to expand - and if they ever do feel that pressure, they are coming from a position of strength, and can afford to wait for the right situation to come along.

In the meantime, while the ACC has certainly grown northward, there's enough of a Southern core there that it gives the SEC some connection to allow for feasible partnerships, such as challenges or something. Likewise, they're not as good of a cultural fit in many ways with the Big 12, but their similar football-first focus gives them some connection, as shown by their bowl partnership and even their basketball challenge. In short, they can pretty much have their cake and eat it too...

(06-16-2016 07:54 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  I can't speak for Arky or Mizzou but were more than happy to not share our recruiting with any Little 10 teams at all.

What we need is a pair of eastern teams in NC and VA.

It's the only move that makes any financial sense.

I actually think that is the wrong approach. If TCU was added to the west. It still really doesn't hurt A&M's recruiting. But what it does do is hurts most of the Big 12's recruiting.

I understand the argument for a school that brings in another big chunk of DFW to the fold. I can even see A&M agreeing to a compromise where we bring in either OU or TCU (pretty much the only TX team besides SMU we will agree to) as a counterpart to an eastern team pick up like FSU or VT

But anymore than one L10 team is going to get heavy resistance from us (for whatever that's worth)

But I'm not actually worried about the conference really considering teams like ISU or TTU

Iowa state is most likely a no go. But would add another AAU school and a different region to market toward.

(06-17-2016 11:42 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  

(06-16-2016 07:54 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  I can't speak for Arky or Mizzou but were more than happy to not share our recruiting with any Little 10 teams at all.

What we need is a pair of eastern teams in NC and VA.

It's the only move that makes any financial sense.

I actually think that is the wrong approach. If TCU was added to the west. It still really doesn't hurt A&M's recruiting. But what it does do is hurts most of the Big 12's recruiting.

Nah, that's like the B12 adding Houston to reclaim that market's recruits. That would take recruits from the other B12 schools.

Speaking of expansion, going with OU and VT would work out nicely

(06-18-2016 02:46 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  

(06-17-2016 11:42 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  

(06-16-2016 07:54 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  I can't speak for Arky or Mizzou but were more than happy to not share our recruiting with any Little 10 teams at all.

What we need is a pair of eastern teams in NC and VA.

It's the only move that makes any financial sense.

I actually think that is the wrong approach. If TCU was added to the west. It still really doesn't hurt A&M's recruiting. But what it does do is hurts most of the Big 12's recruiting.

Nah, that's like the B12 adding Houston to reclaim that market's recruits. That would take recruits from the other B12 schools.

Speaking of expansion, going with OU and VT would work out nicely

That's kinda the point. If TCU was in the SEC. Then every school that plays them has an equal recruiting advantage with every Big 12 program outside of Texas. With maybe the exception of Oklahoma.