Quote:Detroit — In the hours after three men were slain early Monday in what police described as a drug house, spasms of violence revisited the neighborhood. [...]

Angela Owens Brown, 50, said her son De-Angelo Smith Owens, 25, was among the victims. He was the renter of the home, she said. [...]

The shooting, she said, came hours after her son hosted a "smoke-out" — a gathering where people smoke marijuana — at the house.

Smith Owens was a father of four — 7-, 3-, 2-, and 1-year-olds — with another baby on the way. [...]

Floyd Owens, 52, described his nephew, Smith Owens, as a lover of cars. "He loved cars, and he would use his money to buy cars," Owens said. [...]

Owens Brown said Smith Owens will be the seventh child of 12 she will have to bury.

Roger Collins Jr., 57, was supposed to be taking his wife to cancer treatment Monday morning. Then the call came in at 7 a.m. — his son De-Angelo was dead.

Smith Owens’ home proved to be "the wrong place at the wrong time," said Collins, who also has six daughters.

Quote:Just after 1 p.m. a man body-slammed another onto the ground and punched him. On the other side of the street, a woman broke across the police tape and a man soon followed. Within minutes, police pushed the crowd past the scene, and a sergeant threatened a mass arrest.

More than an hour later, police had to break up a fight between two women, one of them pregnant.

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/lo.../85476548/

The #1 reason, by far, dragging slums into perpetual poverty-and-crime cycles is the rampant child-production in areas dominated with single, uneducated "parents" unable to afford them and unfit/unwilling to raise them. All those kids and upcoming kids mentioned in the article have little to no chance, some of them will be making their own ugly news headlines a couple decades down the road.

A Feel-the-Bern socialist can redistribute and shower as much money as he could their way, but what difference would it make? In fact, it’d make it worse. And for one, it’d be for more cars for the guy in the article.

Not sure what the answer is. Obviously condoms and the pill are simply afterthoughts and get in the way of a "good time," and the subsequent children will be marginally raised by deadbeats and the streets.

Wash, Rinse, Repeat.

If America had just listened to Margaret Sanger, there wouldn't be a problem.

(06-11-2016 10:24 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  The #1 reason, by far, dragging slums into perpetual poverty-and-crime cycles is the rampant child-production in areas dominated with single, uneducated "parents" unable to afford them and unfit/unwilling to raise them. All those kids and upcoming kids mentioned in the article have little to no chance, some of them will be making their own ugly news headlines a couple decades down the road.

I dislike tying "educated / afford" and "unfit/unwilling to raise" as being part of the same problem. A stupid poor person who gets married and then cares and parents will do fine.

The primary problem is single parent households, not poor households.

As to the story itself, it's just as tragic as the shooting of that singer. A parent will have to bury their child.

(06-11-2016 10:24 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  The #1 reason, by far, dragging slums into perpetual poverty-and-crime cycles is the rampant child-production in areas dominated with single, uneducated "parents" unable to afford them and unfit/unwilling to raise them. All those kids and upcoming kids mentioned in the article have little to no chance, some of them will be making their own ugly news headlines a couple decades down the road.

A Feel-the-Bern socialist can redistribute and shower as much money as he could their way, but what difference would it make? In fact, it’d make it worse. And for one, it’d be for more cars for the guy in the article.

Not sure what the answer is. Obviously condoms and the pill are simply afterthoughts and get in the way of a "good time," and the subsequent children will be marginally raised by deadbeats and the streets.

Wash, Rinse, Repeat.

a vote for chipmunk only yields 0.....

why do think this is only happening in the slums.....

they have zero.....they have no fk'n future....it's beyond their comprehensive abilities...

(06-11-2016 01:59 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(06-11-2016 10:24 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  The #1 reason, by far, dragging slums into perpetual poverty-and-crime cycles is the rampant child-production in areas dominated with single, uneducated "parents" unable to afford them and unfit/unwilling to raise them. All those kids and upcoming kids mentioned in the article have little to no chance, some of them will be making their own ugly news headlines a couple decades down the road.

I dislike tying "educated / afford" and "unfit/unwilling to raise" as being part of the same problem. A stupid poor person who gets married and then cares and parents will do fine.

The primary problem is single parent households, not poor households.

As to the story itself, it's just as tragic as the shooting of that singer. A parent will have to bury their child.

I don't fundamentally disagree with what you're saying, but I believe the number one reason for divorce is finances.

Seems that poverty and divorce / single family households go hand in hand.

(06-11-2016 01:59 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  I dislike tying "educated / afford" and "unfit/unwilling to raise" as being part of the same problem. A stupid poor person who gets married and then cares and parents will do fine.

Fair enough on "educated", although I was going more for lack of decent common sense than lack of book smarts. But your point is valid.

I stand by "afford", though. If you haven't got a pot to pee in, you can't recklessly spread your seed - among various one-nite-stand women - and father a half-dozen children.

Oopsies happen, sure. But guys like one in the article didn't care who got pregnant and when. If you're 25 years old hobnobbing with gangstas and already have five kids, you might need to have a condom permanently implanted on your peter.

(06-11-2016 03:35 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  I stand by "afford", though. If you haven't got a pot to pee in, you can't recklessly spread your seed - among various one-nite-stand women - and father a half-dozen children.

Even if you can afford it if you recklessly spread your seed - among various one-nite-stand women - and father a half-dozen children. then many if not all of those kids could be pretty messed up.

When My parents got married and started to have seven kids they barely had a pot to pee in but none of us eneded up felons or drains on society.

Quote:Oopsies happen, sure. But guys like one in the article didn't care who got pregnant and when. If you're 25 years old hobnobbing with gangstas and already have five kids, you might need to have a condom permanently implanted on your peter.

But that's not related to poverty, thats ****** behavior even a rich guy can commit.

(06-11-2016 07:01 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  When My parents got married and started to have seven kids they barely had a pot to pee in but none of us eneded up felons or drains on society.

Although I'm confident your parents were highly focused on you and your siblings, gave each other support, and weren't hanging out in drug dens with gangsters.

From my initial post: single, uneducated "parents" unable to afford them and unfit/unwilling to raise them

I bolded "and" to prove that I'm including all attributes here together, not picking and choosing. It's not "or".

Not sure why you are personalizing this. I think you're misconstruing what I was saying. Yes, there's a lot more to just 'being poor' that could lead to future felons.

(06-11-2016 07:25 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

(06-11-2016 07:01 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  When My parents got married and started to have seven kids they barely had a pot to pee in but none of us eneded up felons or drains on society.

Although I'm confident your parents were highly focused on you and your siblings, gave each other support, and weren't hanging out in drug dens with gangsters.

From my initial post: single, uneducated "parents" unable to afford them and unfit/unwilling to raise them

I bolded "and" to prove that I'm including all attributes here together, not picking and choosing. It's not "or".

Not sure why you are personalizing this. I think you're misconstruing what I was saying. Yes, there's a lot more to just 'being poor' that could lead to future felons.

K' I'll give you that. Your "and" changes it..

(06-11-2016 03:34 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(06-11-2016 01:59 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(06-11-2016 10:24 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  The #1 reason, by far, dragging slums into perpetual poverty-and-crime cycles is the rampant child-production in areas dominated with single, uneducated "parents" unable to afford them and unfit/unwilling to raise them. All those kids and upcoming kids mentioned in the article have little to no chance, some of them will be making their own ugly news headlines a couple decades down the road.

I dislike tying "educated / afford" and "unfit/unwilling to raise" as being part of the same problem. A stupid poor person who gets married and then cares and parents will do fine.

The primary problem is single parent households, not poor households.

As to the story itself, it's just as tragic as the shooting of that singer. A parent will have to bury their child.

I don't fundamentally disagree with what you're saying, but I believe the number one reason for divorce is finances.

Seems that poverty and divorce / single family households go hand in hand.

snoring.....since ya brought it up in micro irrelevance....it's the same as 'those studies' that ponder the 'why'....

divorce is only about the coin and instinctive human behavior......it's that simple......

humans, like any living creature, were not designed to spend their eternity with a 'virginal soul'....

hence, the concept of god....

what a fk'n joke any of that is conceptual terms....what a waste of time....

o'day is the result of 'that' thought process....

edit: oh, did I mention they get fatter and uglier than the xy chromosomal during the process....it's an oliver twist dog eat dog dogma