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We'll get it done the right way and JMU will saddle up their students with fees, that they can finance with student loans. Good for them.

(10-13-2017 02:11 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(10-13-2017 01:52 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  

(10-13-2017 01:45 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(10-13-2017 01:27 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  Ballard is building the new JMU basketball arena...just announced. Breaks ground this Spring.

Populous is designing it.

Guess 78 has to stop saying it will never be built.

Word has it, JMU alumnus Delegate Cox was able to get that grandfathered in before his bill to crush college athletics got passed. Shame he didnt keep his word and get ODUs football stadium the same treatment as he indicated he would.

Ya thats a pretty shady move. Oh well ODU still owns JMU in basketball 49-26 (.653) and football 2-0 (1.000)

Yeah shady as ****. I hope that bastard dies with a massive coronary. I know we are not supposed to wish harm but what he has done he deserves it, dirty bastard.

I don't wish anyone dead. However, a week of explosive diarrhea should be a nice start for a ODU curse. Then ...

(10-13-2017 02:48 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  Can the Cox bill ever be removed?

Sure. You just have to get someone in the GA to sponsor a bill and get it passed. The odds would be long because all people will see is that it will cost more to send kids to college rather than it being about fairness and colleges and universities deciding what is right for them.

(10-14-2017 09:50 AM)ODU2K1 Wrote:  

(10-13-2017 02:48 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  Can the Cox bill ever be removed?

Sure. You just have to get someone in the GA to sponsor a bill and get it passed. The odds would be long because all people will see is that it will cost more to send kids to college rather than it being about fairness and colleges and universities deciding what is right for them.

The "anti-ODU" bill needs to be amended to allow G5 teams to fund their programs at the same rate as FCS teams. The fact that the bill makes ODU, and only ODU fund its programs at 55% rather than 75%, while having higher operating costs is ridiculous. I'm all for keeping costs low, I just wish the same restrictions were placed on all schools at the same level across the country so the playing field would be level. As it is, a school in another state can spend as much as they want and raise fees as much as they want and pump all that money into amenities, facilities and marketing to wow top recruits and pay top coaches. Virginia can't, or won't, compete with other states. Maybe they shouldn't. But it would sure be nice to have the rules be fair and equal for everyone.

(10-14-2017 10:18 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(10-14-2017 09:50 AM)ODU2K1 Wrote:  

(10-13-2017 02:48 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  Can the Cox bill ever be removed?

Sure. You just have to get someone in the GA to sponsor a bill and get it passed. The odds would be long because all people will see is that it will cost more to send kids to college rather than it being about fairness and colleges and universities deciding what is right for them.

The "anti-ODU" bill needs to be amended to allow G5 teams to fund their programs at the same rate as FCS teams. The fact that the bill makes ODU, and only ODU fund its programs at 55% rather than 75%, while having higher operating costs is ridiculous. I'm all for keeping costs low, I just wish the same restrictions were placed on all schools at the same level across the country so the playing field would be level. As it is, a school in another state can spend as much as they want and raise fees as much as they want and pump all that money into amenities, facilities and marketing to wow top recruits and pay top coaches. Virginia can't, or won't, compete with other states. Maybe they shouldn't. But it would sure be nice to have the rules be fair and equal for everyone.

Well said.

(10-14-2017 10:30 AM)Retroview1955 Wrote:  

(10-14-2017 10:18 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(10-14-2017 09:50 AM)ODU2K1 Wrote:  

(10-13-2017 02:48 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  Can the Cox bill ever be removed?

Sure. You just have to get someone in the GA to sponsor a bill and get it passed. The odds would be long because all people will see is that it will cost more to send kids to college rather than it being about fairness and colleges and universities deciding what is right for them.

The "anti-ODU" bill needs to be amended to allow G5 teams to fund their programs at the same rate as FCS teams. The fact that the bill makes ODU, and only ODU fund its programs at 55% rather than 75%, while having higher operating costs is ridiculous. I'm all for keeping costs low, I just wish the same restrictions were placed on all schools at the same level across the country so the playing field would be level. As it is, a school in another state can spend as much as they want and raise fees as much as they want and pump all that money into amenities, facilities and marketing to wow top recruits and pay top coaches. Virginia can't, or won't, compete with other states. Maybe they shouldn't. But it would sure be nice to have the rules be fair and equal for everyone.

Well said.

Went over by the stadium today (Bluestone side) and saw a bunch of utility markings. Bunch of colors I've never seen before, guess things are already being mapped out.

(10-14-2017 10:18 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(10-14-2017 09:50 AM)ODU2K1 Wrote:  

(10-13-2017 02:48 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  Can the Cox bill ever be removed?

Sure. You just have to get someone in the GA to sponsor a bill and get it passed. The odds would be long because all people will see is that it will cost more to send kids to college rather than it being about fairness and colleges and universities deciding what is right for them.

The "anti-ODU" bill needs to be amended to allow G5 teams to fund their programs at the same rate as FCS teams. The fact that the bill makes ODU, and only ODU fund its programs at 55% rather than 75%, while having higher operating costs is ridiculous. I'm all for keeping costs low, I just wish the same restrictions were placed on all schools at the same level across the country so the playing field would be level. As it is, a school in another state can spend as much as they want and raise fees as much as they want and pump all that money into amenities, facilities and marketing to wow top recruits and pay top coaches. Virginia can't, or won't, compete with other states. Maybe they shouldn't. But it would sure be nice to have the rules be fair and equal for everyone.

Good post!

We'll have a new empty stadium in 2019.

Here is an idea for ya...dramatically increase out of state student rolls at ODU. Use the extra money too improve facilities ! This is not an increase in student fees ! 500 more out of state students increases our income by $7.5M/year. Increase online student participation as well. That is how Liberty has done so well. They have close to 40K students taking online courses. Tell the state we are going to do this our they can give us relief from Cox amendment.

(10-15-2017 08:46 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  Here is an idea for ya...dramatically increase out of state student rolls at ODU. Use the extra money too improve facilities ! This is not an increase in student fees ! 500 more out of state students increases our income by $7.5M/year. Increase online student participation as well. That is how Liberty has done so well. They have close to 40K students taking online courses. Tell the state we are going to do this our they can give us relief from Cox amendment.

In the Commonwealth of Virginia tuition money can not be used for athletics. Unless we can find a way to make Foreman 2.0 a classroom of some description that will not fly.

Full disclosure: I’m fine with putting a classroom or two or some kind of band practice space in Foreman 2.0 so it can be classified as an academic building. It would go a long way to solving our funding issues.

(10-15-2017 08:52 AM)ODU2K1 Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 08:46 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  Here is an idea for ya...dramatically increase out of state student rolls at ODU. Use the extra money too improve facilities ! This is not an increase in student fees ! 500 more out of state students increases our income by $7.5M/year. Increase online student participation as well. That is how Liberty has done so well. They have close to 40K students taking online courses. Tell the state we are going to do this our they can give us relief from Cox amendment.

In the Commonwealth of Virginia tuition money can not be used for athletics. Unless we can find a way to make Foreman 2.0 a classroom of some description that will not fly.

Full disclosure: I’m fine with putting a classroom or two or some kind of band practice space in Foreman 2.0 so it can be classified as an academic building. It would go a long way to solving our funding issues.

Also, someone wrote previously that on-line students pay little/nothing towards student fees that can be used towards athletics.

(10-15-2017 09:25 AM)Grommet Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 08:52 AM)ODU2K1 Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 08:46 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  Here is an idea for ya...dramatically increase out of state student rolls at ODU. Use the extra money too improve facilities ! This is not an increase in student fees ! 500 more out of state students increases our income by $7.5M/year. Increase online student participation as well. That is how Liberty has done so well. They have close to 40K students taking online courses. Tell the state we are going to do this our they can give us relief from Cox amendment.

In the Commonwealth of Virginia tuition money can not be used for athletics. Unless we can find a way to make Foreman 2.0 a classroom of some description that will not fly.

Full disclosure: I’m fine with putting a classroom or two or some kind of band practice space in Foreman 2.0 so it can be classified as an academic building. It would go a long way to solving our funding issues.

Also, someone wrote previously that on-line students pay little/nothing towards student fees that can be used towards athletics.

Instead they pay technology fees to support the on-line capability of the school.

Then you get students like me that take a class in person, but since they also broad cast it the school tacks on that technology fee.

Currently the school is looking to more more classes A-synchronous. Meaning you have less access to a professor and cannot ask questions in real time. Even better classes like Thermo-dynamics and Fluid Mechanics are the charge. Subjects that are complicated and should not be done in this format.

So, the school gets to save money by using less teachers and still tack on additional fees. To me it sounds like a way to drive people away from ODU and to Arizona State's Online Engineering program.. where for now at least they have professors in real time.

(10-15-2017 09:25 AM)Grommet Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 08:52 AM)ODU2K1 Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 08:46 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  Here is an idea for ya...dramatically increase out of state student rolls at ODU. Use the extra money too improve facilities ! This is not an increase in student fees ! 500 more out of state students increases our income by $7.5M/year. Increase online student participation as well. That is how Liberty has done so well. They have close to 40K students taking online courses. Tell the state we are going to do this our they can give us relief from Cox amendment.

In the Commonwealth of Virginia tuition money can not be used for athletics. Unless we can find a way to make Foreman 2.0 a classroom of some description that will not fly.

Full disclosure: I’m fine with putting a classroom or two or some kind of band practice space in Foreman 2.0 so it can be classified as an academic building. It would go a long way to solving our funding issues.

Also, someone wrote previously that on-line students pay little/nothing towards student fees that can be used towards athletics.

I firmly believe the online students should be paying the same as the students on the Norfolk campus with respect to athletics but it doesn’t matter at this point. The Cox bill has made it so we can only fund X% of the athletic budget with student fees. Getting more money from student fees doesn’t matter if we can’t spend it unless that awful law is killed or amended.

(10-15-2017 09:49 AM)GhentFan Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 09:25 AM)Grommet Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 08:52 AM)ODU2K1 Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 08:46 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  Here is an idea for ya...dramatically increase out of state student rolls at ODU. Use the extra money too improve facilities ! This is not an increase in student fees ! 500 more out of state students increases our income by $7.5M/year. Increase online student participation as well. That is how Liberty has done so well. They have close to 40K students taking online courses. Tell the state we are going to do this our they can give us relief from Cox amendment.

In the Commonwealth of Virginia tuition money can not be used for athletics. Unless we can find a way to make Foreman 2.0 a classroom of some description that will not fly.

Full disclosure: I’m fine with putting a classroom or two or some kind of band practice space in Foreman 2.0 so it can be classified as an academic building. It would go a long way to solving our funding issues.

Also, someone wrote previously that on-line students pay little/nothing towards student fees that can be used towards athletics.

Instead they pay technology fees to support the on-line capability of the school.

Then you get students like me that take a class in person, but since they also broad cast it the school tacks on that technology fee.

Unless things have changed from when I was a student, and it really should since I graduated in 2001, I had to pay the technology fee on campus in Norfolk and I never took a Teletechnet enabled class.

(10-15-2017 09:53 AM)ODU2K1 Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 09:25 AM)Grommet Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 08:52 AM)ODU2K1 Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 08:46 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  Here is an idea for ya...dramatically increase out of state student rolls at ODU. Use the extra money too improve facilities ! This is not an increase in student fees ! 500 more out of state students increases our income by $7.5M/year. Increase online student participation as well. That is how Liberty has done so well. They have close to 40K students taking online courses. Tell the state we are going to do this our they can give us relief from Cox amendment.

In the Commonwealth of Virginia tuition money can not be used for athletics. Unless we can find a way to make Foreman 2.0 a classroom of some description that will not fly.

Full disclosure: I’m fine with putting a classroom or two or some kind of band practice space in Foreman 2.0 so it can be classified as an academic building. It would go a long way to solving our funding issues.

Also, someone wrote previously that on-line students pay little/nothing towards student fees that can be used towards athletics.

I firmly believe the online students should be paying the same as the students on the Norfolk campus with respect to athletics but it doesn’t matter at this point. The Cox bill has made it so we can only fund X% of the athletic budget with student fees. Getting more money from student fees doesn’t matter if we can’t spend it unless that awful law is killed or amended.

55% from a larger pool of students,(online students), means more money.

(10-15-2017 03:47 PM)Old Blue Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 09:53 AM)ODU2K1 Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 09:25 AM)Grommet Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 08:52 AM)ODU2K1 Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 08:46 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  Here is an idea for ya...dramatically increase out of state student rolls at ODU. Use the extra money too improve facilities ! This is not an increase in student fees ! 500 more out of state students increases our income by $7.5M/year. Increase online student participation as well. That is how Liberty has done so well. They have close to 40K students taking online courses. Tell the state we are going to do this our they can give us relief from Cox amendment.

In the Commonwealth of Virginia tuition money can not be used for athletics. Unless we can find a way to make Foreman 2.0 a classroom of some description that will not fly.

Full disclosure: I’m fine with putting a classroom or two or some kind of band practice space in Foreman 2.0 so it can be classified as an academic building. It would go a long way to solving our funding issues.

Also, someone wrote previously that on-line students pay little/nothing towards student fees that can be used towards athletics.

I firmly believe the online students should be paying the same as the students on the Norfolk campus with respect to athletics but it doesn’t matter at this point. The Cox bill has made it so we can only fund X% of the athletic budget with student fees. Getting more money from student fees doesn’t matter if we can’t spend it unless that awful law is killed or amended.

55% from a larger pool of students,(online students), means more money.

That, unfortunately, is not how it works. Its 55% of our athletic budget. So any dollars added from student fees have to be matched by donations.

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Everyone is looking for someone else to pay for things. Why cant we use more student fees to pay for it?? How about we strap up and get a good fundraiser solely for the Phase 2 going so that we can raise the money and have a good stadium. We need to pay for it with donations and stop looking for others to foot the bill. Its all about donations, donations, donations. We built the basketball practice facility with all private dollars. I know there is a difference between $9M and $90M but hell we have to try, we are not getting anywhere with the help of the state and it doesnt do any good to keep complaining about it. Let just move on and donate to ODAF to get Phase 2 of the stadium built. People are saying that we dont need a Phase 2 because we dont have a good team and people wont come. Well I can promise without Phase 2 we will have a bad team because the stadium really affects recruiting. We need a new 30k stadium.

(10-17-2017 10:01 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  Everyone is looking for someone else to pay for things. Why cant we use more student fees to pay for it?? How about we strap up and get a good fundraiser solely for the Phase 2 going so that we can raise the money and have a good stadium. We need to pay for it with donations and stop looking for others to foot the bill. Its all about donations, donations, donations. We built the basketball practice facility with all private dollars. I know there is a difference between $9M and $90M but hell we have to try, we are not getting anywhere with the help of the state and it doesnt do any good to keep complaining about it. Let just move on and donate to ODAF to get Phase 2 of the stadium built. People are saying that we dont need a Phase 2 because we dont have a good team and people wont come. Well I can promise without Phase 2 we will have a bad team because the stadium really affects recruiting. We need a new 30k stadium.

Absolutely. It may take 10-15 years to raise the money, but this is how it will have to be done. Phase 2 may not begin until the debt from phase 1 is paid, thus freeing up student fee money to be applied to phase 2. But phase 2 probably cannot be paid entirely with student fee money, especially since construction costs will rise substantially by the time work can begin. So a greater proportion of phase 2 will have to be covered by donations than phase 1.

(10-17-2017 10:45 AM)Sidewinder Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 10:01 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  Everyone is looking for someone else to pay for things. Why cant we use more student fees to pay for it?? How about we strap up and get a good fundraiser solely for the Phase 2 going so that we can raise the money and have a good stadium. We need to pay for it with donations and stop looking for others to foot the bill. Its all about donations, donations, donations. We built the basketball practice facility with all private dollars. I know there is a difference between $9M and $90M but hell we have to try, we are not getting anywhere with the help of the state and it doesnt do any good to keep complaining about it. Let just move on and donate to ODAF to get Phase 2 of the stadium built. People are saying that we dont need a Phase 2 because we dont have a good team and people wont come. Well I can promise without Phase 2 we will have a bad team because the stadium really affects recruiting. We need a new 30k stadium.

Absolutely. It may take 10-15 years to raise the money, but this is how it will have to be done. Phase 2 may not begin until the debt from phase 1 is paid, thus freeing up student fee money to be applied to phase 2. But phase 2 probably cannot be paid entirely with student fee money, especially since construction costs will rise substantially by the time work can begin. So a greater proportion of phase 2 will have to be covered by donations than phase 1.

What we really need is the suites to be build asap. The suites generate revenue that can almost pay for the yearly payment of the stadium. This takes a big burden off the ODAF donators but still we need to raise a lot of the money ourselves.

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