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(08-29-2016 04:04 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  I heard we will play East Tenn. next year on Sept. 9th or whatever day is Saturday.

ETSU had their 1st season last year after being discontinued from 2004-2014. So JMU will be playing them in their 3rd season back.

JMU track record since 05' playing 3rd year programs:
-05' then #1 JMU was upset @ CCU.
-11' JMU was upset @ ODU.
-12' JMU beat GA St..
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(08-29-2016 07:23 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  
(08-29-2016 04:04 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  I heard we will play East Tenn. next year on Sept. 9th or whatever day is Saturday.

ETSU had their 1st season last year after being discontinued from 2004-2014. So JMU will be playing them in their 3rd season back.

JMU track record since 05' playing 3rd year programs:
-05' then #1 JMU was upset @ CCU.
-11' JMU was upset @ ODU.
-12' JMU thumped GA St..

Uggghh- I remember the GA St. game. We took forever to get our offense going. Also, gave up 2 scores in the 4th to make it interesting.
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(08-29-2016 08:33 PM)olddawg Wrote:  
(08-29-2016 07:23 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  
(08-29-2016 04:04 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  I heard we will play East Tenn. next year on Sept. 9th or whatever day is Saturday.

ETSU had their 1st season last year after being discontinued from 2004-2014. So JMU will be playing them in their 3rd season back.

JMU track record since 05' playing 3rd year programs:
-05' then #1 JMU was upset @ CCU.
-11' JMU was upset @ ODU.
-12' JMU thumped GA St..

Uggghh- I remember the GA St. game. We took forever to get our offense going. Also, gave up 2 scores in the 4th to make it interesting.

While we were in control throughout, you couldn't leave because they stayed just close enough. I would not consider it a thumping unless it was the thump you receive from a two year old.
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(08-29-2016 09:56 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  
(08-29-2016 08:33 PM)olddawg Wrote:  
(08-29-2016 07:23 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  
(08-29-2016 04:04 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  I heard we will play East Tenn. next year on Sept. 9th or whatever day is Saturday.

ETSU had their 1st season last year after being discontinued from 2004-2014. So JMU will be playing them in their 3rd season back.

JMU track record since 05' playing 3rd year programs:
-05' then #1 JMU was upset @ CCU.
-11' JMU was upset @ ODU.
-12' JMU thumped GA St..

Uggghh- I remember the GA St. game. We took forever to get our offense going. Also, gave up 2 scores in the 4th to make it interesting.

While we were in control throughout, you couldn't leave because they stayed just close enough. I would not consider it a thumping unless it was the thump you receive from a two year old.

Ok, I went back and looked. Maybe I mis remembered a little. JMU was up 28-7 in the 4th and took a siesta as GST scored the last 2 TDs for a 28-21 final. I changed the "thumped" to simply "beat".
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(08-29-2016 10:11 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  
(08-29-2016 09:56 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  
(08-29-2016 08:33 PM)olddawg Wrote:  
(08-29-2016 07:23 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  
(08-29-2016 04:04 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  I heard we will play East Tenn. next year on Sept. 9th or whatever day is Saturday.

ETSU had their 1st season last year after being discontinued from 2004-2014. So JMU will be playing them in their 3rd season back.

JMU track record since 05' playing 3rd year programs:
-05' then #1 JMU was upset @ CCU.
-11' JMU was upset @ ODU.
-12' JMU thumped GA St..

Uggghh- I remember the GA St. game. We took forever to get our offense going. Also, gave up 2 scores in the 4th to make it interesting.

While we were in control throughout, you couldn't leave because they stayed just close enough. I would not consider it a thumping unless it was the thump you receive from a two year old.

Ok, I went back and looked. Maybe I mis remembered a little. JMU was up 28-7 in the 4th and took a siesta as GST scored the last 2 TDs for a 28-21 final. I changed the "thumped" to simply "beat".

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Did not know the East Tenn. game was already announced. I played golf with the East Tenn. AD last weekend and he mentioned the game to me.

JMU played East Tenn. several times through the years before the Bucs discontinued football. Good to see them back on our schedule. Once they get full scholly, they should do well in the So Con.
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(08-29-2016 10:36 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  Did not know the East Tenn. game was already announced. I played golf with the East Tenn. AD last weekend and he mentioned the game to me.

JMU played East Tenn. several times through the years before the Bucs discontinued football. Good to see them back on our schedule. Once they get full scholly, they should do well in the So Con.


Yes. This is really exciting times for JMU FB! Maybe next we can add East(ern) Mennonite to the home slate!
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The ETSU game hasn't been "officially" acknowledged by the school that i've seen, but I think I remember a poster saying they heard it directly from Coach Houston's mouth at one of the Coach's Caravans.

I also wouldn't be too worried about ETSU. A third year program by the time we see them and they finished 2-9 last year. They have two wins over a NAIA and D2 opponents, 2 losses to D3 opponents and lost all seven games to their FCS opponents. Not exactly storming out of the gates.
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https://jamesmadison.rivals.com/news/mad...-spotlight

CAA considering a scheduling alliance with another FCS conference? Bourne mentions Patriot and SoCon 03-puke

While I love the idea of the CAA making an alliance, if the conference looks at the Patriot of SoCon it just goes to show how low the CAA has fallen from the past "SEC of the FCS" moniker. If we are going to do this then the league needs to step up and make it the Missouri Valley or MAYBE OVC. Problem with that is Bourne (like other AD's I would imagine) mentions the fear of scheduling ourselves out of the playoffs or having to give up the FBS pay game.

Quote:To play in a marquee non-conference matchup like the Kickoff game or against an FCS program like North Dakota State, Bourne said JMU would likely have to sacrifice its annual money-grab game against an FBS school.

Bourne said he doesn’t want to create a schedule so difficult that it ends up jeopardizing Madison’s chance of reaching the postseason. If JMU were to schedule a top-tier FCS opponent like the Bison along with an FBS opponent, it would only leave one open non-conference date to set aside for an expected win against a lesser foe.

IF that isn't clear that he is the cause of the weak schedule than I don't know what is. The CAA is so weak now we could easliy keep the FBS game AND have a tough OOC. As far as coach Houston, I like how he thinks:

Quote:New Dukes coach Mike Houston, however, said he doesn’t believe playing those schools will alter how his team is viewed come playoff selection time.

“I don’t think it will have any kind of negative impact on us,” Houston said Monday morning during the Colonial Athletic Association coaches teleconference. “Looking at Morehead State. They are a seven-win team from last year that I know has aspirations of being in the FCS playoffs this year.”

In other words he doesn't think the cupcakes help us get into the playoffs. I don't either, they don't help us prepare physically/mentally AND the committee knows if a school has a great record cause they paded their schedule with the CCSU and St. Francis's of the world.
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If you are JMU and playing in FCS the #1 GOAL is to reach the FCS playoffs. In an 11 game schedule to be safe you need to get to 8 wins over D1 opponents. I think the marque OOC FCS game is much more do-able in a 12 game season. I see no issue with a scheduling alliance with Patriot/Southern/Big South. It makes too much sense for all the conferences.

If you are someone like AppSt/ODU/JMU playing in the FBS the #1 GOAL is to get enough wins to be bowl eligible.
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(08-30-2016 09:00 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  If you are JMU and playing in FCS the #1 GOAL is to reach the FCS playoffs. In an 11 game schedule to be safe you need to get to 8 wins over D1 opponents. I think the marque OOC FCS game is much more do-able in a 12 game season. I see no issue with a scheduling alliance with Patriot/Southern/Big South. It makes too much sense for all the conferences.

If you are someone like AppSt/ODU/JMU playing in the FBS the #1 GOAL is to get enough wins to be bowl eligible.

I agree with the #1 goal is reaching the playoffs. My point is 1-2 in OOC 85% will still be enough for JMU to make the playoffs, especially if the tough OOC game we play is close (i.e. CSU @ NDSU Saturday). The committee isn't stupid, I bet they view this past Saturday's loss for CSU the same as a 30pt (current spread) win over Morehead St.

To me it sounds like Coach Houston isn't a fan of the weak schedule either. I just don't understand being scared that isn't how I live, how I am wired. That said I do agree with Bourne not caving to NDSU, it's home and home or nothing for ANY FCS team, 5 time defending champ or not. This possible alliance needs to be OVC, MVFC, or Big South. I'd throw in Big Sky but no way that's happening due to travel (same thing that will shut down the chance with MVFC).
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(08-30-2016 09:08 AM)CISDuke2014 Wrote:  
(08-30-2016 09:00 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  If you are JMU and playing in FCS the #1 GOAL is to reach the FCS playoffs. In an 11 game schedule to be safe you need to get to 8 wins over D1 opponents. I think the marque OOC FCS game is much more do-able in a 12 game season. I see no issue with a scheduling alliance with Patriot/Southern/Big South. It makes too much sense for all the conferences.

If you are someone like AppSt/ODU/JMU playing in the FBS the #1 GOAL is to get enough wins to be bowl eligible.

I agree with the #1 goal is reaching the playoffs. My point is 1-2 in OOC 85% will still be enough for JMU to make the playoffs, especially if the tough OOC game we play is close (i.e. CSU @ NDSU Saturday). The committee isn't stupid, I bet they view this past Saturday's loss for CSU the same as a 30pt (current spread) win over Morehead St.

To me it sounds like Coach Houston isn't a fan of the weak schedule either. I just don't understand being scared that isn't how I live, how I am wired. That said I do agree with Bourne not caving to NDSU, it's home and home or nothing for ANY FCS team, 5 time defending champ or not. This possible alliance needs to be OVC, MVFC, or Big South. I'd throw in Big Sky but no way that's happening due to travel (same thing that will shut down the chance with MVFC).

You hit the nail on the head, a lot of it comes down to what makes sense with travel. For JMU, it would be a bus charter to almost every school in the Southern/Patriot/Big South/OVC. It may not be what everyone wants but it is better than the NEC and MEAC. One other thing to remember is this alliance ain't gonna be only home games for JMU like the Morehead and CCSU.....these most likely be home and homes. So this would probably only be one game with still an opener against a home game always type Morehead State.
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Since the MVFC is the perceived "top" FCS conference currently and we're supposedly #2, it doesn't matter which conference #3 and on down, we'll still be upset at who it is. Hell, outside of NDSU or UNI, I doubt many of you would be jumping out of your britches if we played any other MVFC school in a home and home. Outside of Montana, Montana State, you wouldn't care about any Big Sky school.

We just can't win on this message board. It's not possible.
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(08-30-2016 09:40 AM)Potomac Wrote:  Since the MVFC is the perceived "top" FCS conference currently and we're supposedly #2, it doesn't matter which conference #3 and on down, we'll still be upset at who it is. Hell, outside of NDSU or UNI, I doubt many of you would be jumping out of your britches if we played any other MVFC school in a home and home. Outside of Montana, Montana State, you wouldn't care about any Big Sky school.

We just can't win on this message board. It's not possible.

I would be fine with any OVC, MVFC, Big Sky (EWU, Portland St, North Dakota, Northern Arizona, Weber St anyone), heck even the Big South I would be fine with since it's still better then what we have now. But the Patriot and SoCon (which were the conferences mentioned) are barely better then what we have now and considering this alliance will most likely require home and homes I do not agree with it. JMU has no business TRAVELING to play football at 75% of the teams in the Patriot or SoCon. Could you imagine JMU traveling to play Georgetown or Mercer?
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(08-30-2016 08:41 AM)CISDuke2014 Wrote:  https://jamesmadison.rivals.com/news/mad...-spotlight

CAA considering a scheduling alliance with another FCS conference? Bourne mentions Patriot and SoCon 03-puke

While I love the idea of the CAA making an alliance, if the conference looks at the Patriot of SoCon it just goes to show how low the CAA has fallen from the past "SEC of the FCS" moniker. If we are going to do this then the league needs to step up and make it the Missouri Valley or MAYBE OVC.

For JMU, I think 5 of the 7 Patriot teams, and 5 of 9 So-Con, could be (under 400 miles) bus trips (I know the team will often fly to destinations under that).

For the MVFC the only school JMU could bus to would be YSU (and I think the team flew to Youngstown for the 2006 playoff game).

For the OVC there isn't a single football school within 400 miles of JMU, including all 4 TN schools and EKU (a little over 400 miles).

The only possible close to scholly conference for the entire CAA to have an alliance with few to no plane trips would be the:
-Patriot (the Patriot now allows up to 60)
-NEC (40 scholly)

For the Southern CAA schools it could be the
-So-Con
-Big South (they do have Monmouth up north) (4 of 6 under 400 miles from JMU).

It doesn't have anything to do with the current strength of the CAA. Its simple geography & $$.
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(08-30-2016 09:52 AM)CISDuke2014 Wrote:  
(08-30-2016 09:40 AM)Potomac Wrote:  Since the MVFC is the perceived "top" FCS conference currently and we're supposedly #2, it doesn't matter which conference #3 and on down, we'll still be upset at who it is. Hell, outside of NDSU or UNI, I doubt many of you would be jumping out of your britches if we played any other MVFC school in a home and home. Outside of Montana, Montana State, you wouldn't care about any Big Sky school.

We just can't win on this message board. It's not possible.

I would be fine with any OVC, MVFC, Big Sky (EWU, Portland St, North Dakota, Northern Arizona, Weber St anyone), heck even the Big South I would be fine with since it's still better then what we have now. But the Patriot and SoCon (which were the conferences mentioned) are barely better then what we have now and considering this alliance will most likely require home and homes I do not agree with it. JMU has no business TRAVELING to play football at 75% of the teams in the Patriot or SoCon. Could you imagine JMU traveling to play Georgetown or Mercer?

Can you imagine JMU playing Monmouth, Presbyterian or Kennesaw State? Those are Big South teams.

If you think the Big South is a bigger deal than the Socon or Patriot, then I don't know what to tell you. Most people in the northeast and mid-Atlantic have heard of Patriot league schools. They all have a great reputation.
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(08-30-2016 09:56 AM)BDKJMU Wrote:  
(08-30-2016 08:41 AM)CISDuke2014 Wrote:  https://jamesmadison.rivals.com/news/mad...-spotlight

CAA considering a scheduling alliance with another FCS conference? Bourne mentions Patriot and SoCon 03-puke

While I love the idea of the CAA making an alliance, if the conference looks at the Patriot of SoCon it just goes to show how low the CAA has fallen from the past "SEC of the FCS" moniker. If we are going to do this then the league needs to step up and make it the Missouri Valley or MAYBE OVC.

For JMU, I think 5 of the 7 Patriot teams, and 5 of 9 So-Con, could be (under 400 miles) bus trips (I know the team will often fly to destinations under that).

For the MVFC the only school JMU could bus to would be YSU (and I think the team flew to Youngstown for the 2006 playoff game).

For the OVC there isn't a single football school within 400 miles of JMU, including all 4 TN schools and EKU (a little over 400 miles).

The only possible close to full scholly conferences to have an alliance with are the So-Con and Patriot (the Patriot now allows up to 60). Other than that there is the 40 scholly NEC. It doesn't have anything to do with the current strength of the CAA. Its simple geography and $$.

You are most likely correct but if that's true then have Mr. Bourne explain it that way. The public has only his word to go off of and he makes JMU sound like a scared little girl. There is no harm is saying "hey guys we would love to play tougher opponents but the finances don't make sense." I wouldn't like it but I could accept it.
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(08-30-2016 10:11 AM)Potomac Wrote:  
(08-30-2016 09:52 AM)CISDuke2014 Wrote:  
(08-30-2016 09:40 AM)Potomac Wrote:  Since the MVFC is the perceived "top" FCS conference currently and we're supposedly #2, it doesn't matter which conference #3 and on down, we'll still be upset at who it is. Hell, outside of NDSU or UNI, I doubt many of you would be jumping out of your britches if we played any other MVFC school in a home and home. Outside of Montana, Montana State, you wouldn't care about any Big Sky school.

We just can't win on this message board. It's not possible.

I would be fine with any OVC, MVFC, Big Sky (EWU, Portland St, North Dakota, Northern Arizona, Weber St anyone), heck even the Big South I would be fine with since it's still better then what we have now. But the Patriot and SoCon (which were the conferences mentioned) are barely better then what we have now and considering this alliance will most likely require home and homes I do not agree with it. JMU has no business TRAVELING to play football at 75% of the teams in the Patriot or SoCon. Could you imagine JMU traveling to play Georgetown or Mercer?

Can you imagine JMU playing Monmouth, Presbyterian or Kennesaw State? Those are Big South teams.

If you think the Big South is a bigger deal than the Socon or Patriot, then I don't know what to tell you. Most people in the northeast and mid-Atlantic have heard of Patriot league schools. They all have a great reputation.

For some reason I had Presbyterian in SoCon and Chattagnooga and Western Carolina in the Big South with Liberty, Charleston Southern. So yeah that changes my mind a little bit:

1. MVFC
2. Big Sky
3. OVC
4. SoCon
5. Big South
6. Patriot
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(08-30-2016 10:23 AM)CISDuke2014 Wrote:  1. MVFC
2. Big Sky
3. SoCon
4. Patriot
5. OVC
6. Big South

That's the real order I'd say.
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I'm not convinced a scheduling alliance like this would be beneficial to JMU. We are one of the "big fish" in FCS and most non-FBS OOC games should either be played at BFS or at least a 2-1 deal. It's crazy for us to do 1-1 deals with most of these schools.

The attendance/economics are such that we should be able to pay many of these schools more than they could hope to make off a home game. We should not be traveling OOC to schools that sell less than 5,000 seats.
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