(08-16-2016 07:03 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 03:41 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  What a liar. I'm reporting this thread.

The article (note that the link isn't even to the article) doesn't say a single iota that's even in the same universe as the OP's conjured falsehoods.


This isn't even stretching the truth in good taste.

Isn't there a bet with the OP that the WAC will sponsor FBS football by 8/31/16?
Cheers!

I amended that bet giving the WAC until 2020 to announce the restart of FBS.

Any XDSU fan will claim that isn't possible and won't have any part of it.

Here is an idea if the P5 and other G5 schools do agree with this? I think Big 10 and PAC 12 would agree to this idea.

Create a Central plains conference. MWC, Big Sky and MVFC (MVC) could work out a deal with the PAC 12 and Big 10.

Central
West:
Idaho
Montana
Montana State
Wyoming
Colorado State
Air Force
New Mexico

East:
North Dakota
North Dakota State
South Dakota
South Dakota State
Northern Iowa
Missouri State
Wichita State

MWC gains Portland State, Eastern Washington, Cal.-Davis (all sports), Cal. Poly (all sports), Sacramento State, Northern Arizona and Hawaii for all sports to 14.
That will allow Big 10 teams to continue playing Northern Iowa and the Dakota schools. PAC 12 could actually claim like wins over Northern Arizona as an FBS opponent. Arizona State went 6-6, and was denied a bowl birth because they had wins over Northern Arizona and Weber State. PAC 12 schools want to avoid that again.
MWC and the new conference can share bowl tie ins. This is to avoid MWC Vs MWC in a bowl game like last year. That means Wyoming, Colorado State, Air Force and New Mexico still have bowl access. Both conferences could create new bowls in the future. C-USA could create another bowl against the Central Conference.
WAC could reform later with schools like UTRGV, Utah Valley, Grand Canyon when they starts football. With New Mexico State, they could reinvite Texas State, invite West Texas A&M, Lamar, Sam Houston State, SFA, Central Oklahoma (could expand their stadium), McNeese State, Central Arkansas.

Quote:UND has already cut the baseball program and has said it will cut men's golf if it doesn't raise the sufficient funds in the next couple of years.

Quote:"I want to make you aware that UND Athletics ended FY16 with a shortfall of approximately $1.4 million. This is a disappointment to me, and I am taking steps to address it."

Quote:"I am asking a subgroup of the elected Intercollegiate Athletics Committee (IAC) to examine UND Athletics to make sure we have an athletics program that best fits the University of North Dakota in terms of a number of factors, including the sports we participate in, conference participation, the number of athletes that we serve, and the cost of the programs."

Not enough money for athletics. "This is a disappointment to me." This is what the UND president's letter is about, and it sounds ominous.

The bright side, for UND hockey fans, is that if the school drops to Division II, they can still play Division I hockey.

Or, if they are determined to stay in Division I, maybe the only way for UND to do that is by dropping their most expensive sport: Football.

(08-16-2016 08:13 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

Quote:UND has already cut the baseball program and has said it will cut men's golf if it doesn't raise the sufficient funds in the next couple of years.

Quote:"I want to make you aware that UND Athletics ended FY16 with a shortfall of approximately $1.4 million. This is a disappointment to me, and I am taking steps to address it."

Quote:"I am asking a subgroup of the elected Intercollegiate Athletics Committee (IAC) to examine UND Athletics to make sure we have an athletics program that best fits the University of North Dakota in terms of a number of factors, including the sports we participate in, conference participation, the number of athletes that we serve, and the cost of the programs."

Not enough money for athletics. "This is a disappointment to me." This is what the UND president's letter is about, and it sounds ominous.

The bright side, for UND hockey fans, is that if the school drops to Division II, they can still play Division I hockey.

Or, if they are determined to stay in Division I, maybe the only way for UND to do that is by dropping their most expensive sport: Football.

That is not an option. There is not enough football teams in that part of the region in D1 right now.

(08-16-2016 08:23 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 08:13 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

Quote:UND has already cut the baseball program and has said it will cut men's golf if it doesn't raise the sufficient funds in the next couple of years.

Quote:"I want to make you aware that UND Athletics ended FY16 with a shortfall of approximately $1.4 million. This is a disappointment to me, and I am taking steps to address it."

Quote:"I am asking a subgroup of the elected Intercollegiate Athletics Committee (IAC) to examine UND Athletics to make sure we have an athletics program that best fits the University of North Dakota in terms of a number of factors, including the sports we participate in, conference participation, the number of athletes that we serve, and the cost of the programs."

Not enough money for athletics. "This is a disappointment to me." This is what the UND president's letter is about, and it sounds ominous.

The bright side, for UND hockey fans, is that if the school drops to Division II, they can still play Division I hockey.

Or, if they are determined to stay in Division I, maybe the only way for UND to do that is by dropping their most expensive sport: Football.

That is not an option. There is not enough football teams in that part of the region in D1 right now.

That would actually be a reason to drop. The lack of teams in the region would exacerbate costs which they are saying they cannot handle right now. UND is not playing football as a way to help out other schools in the region it is for themselves. There is a reason that there are so few schools in that part of the country as the population density is very low.

(08-16-2016 07:08 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Any conference change would cost serious coin, except joining with other Big Sky schools the WAC. The western WAC schools can be swapped out free.

Except inferring a conference switch from the letter mentioning considering conference affiliation is a logical leap that cannot be supported. The committee having freedom to look at everything does not imply that that particular conference move is on the way. Indeed, it does not actually imply that any conference move is on the way.

The committee being charged with looking for ways to save money points fairly strongly against UND setting the stage for FBS football, since moving to 77-85{+} full ride scholarships and the offsetting women's scholarship required for TitleIX purposes is unlikely to be a cost saving measure.

Indeed, beyond just a general "cover all bases" reason, the other major move where you would not tie the hands of the committee regarding conference affiliation is a move to drop FCS football.

Which is why jumping from "freedom to consider conference affiliation" to "the WAC FBS loophole scenario is GO" is a very shaky conclusion.

{+ Note: I don't recall off the top of my head whether the minimum is exactly 90% of the cap, but it's somewhere in that neighborhood.}

It's obvious that much of this board doesn't think like ND legislators. The state is cutting budgets for the second time this year because oil revenues are low. The legislators demand cuts. NDSU's President hasn't presented any cuts and he won't get his contract extended. What President Kennedy said in his email is music to the legislators ears and that will gain him immediate trust and set up a brighter future when the oil trust fund assets can be released.

In plains states, lower state revenue = cuts, something the coasts haven't learned.

(08-16-2016 09:31 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 07:08 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Any conference change would cost serious coin, except joining with other Big Sky schools the WAC. The western WAC schools can be swapped out free.

Except inferring a conference switch from the letter mentioning considering conference affiliation is a logical leap that cannot be supported. The committee having freedom to look at everything does not imply that a conference move is on the way.

The committee being charged with looking for ways to save money points fairly strongly against UND setting the stage for FBS football, since moving to a mandatory 77 full ride scholarships and the offsetting women's scholarship required for TitleIX purposes is unlikely to be a cost saving measure.

We're already set for Title IX even if we go FBS. Travel would be cheaper in a WAC, and the Big Sky could designate teams to assign to it.

The male ratio is like 54% right now because so many Minnesotans are enrolling in engineering, which still places people in ND's expanding chemical and power industries.

(08-16-2016 03:47 PM)NDSUguy Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 03:44 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 03:29 PM)NoDak Wrote:  http://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/

The Big Sky and WAC will swap some teams, as the WAC can make FBS invitations.

The MVFC isn't offering slots so UND can't move to the Slummit for Olympics.

UTRGV would have a 24k stadium for football so they are in.

Wichita St would accept an FBS only. Perhaps Mo St too.

Lamar, Sam Houston, and maybe S F Austin would accept a WAC offer.

UMKC and NMSU would stay in.
Chicago St will probably go broke, so they are not part of the picture.

Montana, Montana St, Idaho, and E Washington would move too.

WAC FBS...lol!! Invites...lol! WAC will only be able to be a FCS league.

UND is looking to CUT costs, not add more by moving FBS.

The Summit is the most logical destination if they don't want to field all the sports that the Big Sky offers. My guess is that they pull the Olympic sports out of of the Big Sky and move to the Summit with an affiliate in football to the Big Sky.

That is FAR more reasonable that what NoDak is smoking.

Agreed. This is the most likely scenario. For UND to jockey Olympic sports out to Sacramento and Flagstaff is a budget killer.

(08-16-2016 05:35 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 05:06 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 04:52 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 03:47 PM)NDSUguy Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 03:44 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  WAC FBS...lol!! Invites...lol! WAC will only be able to be a FCS league.

UND is looking to CUT costs, not add more by moving FBS.

The Summit is the most logical destination if they don't want to field all the sports that the Big Sky offers. My guess is that they pull the Olympic sports out of of the Big Sky and move to the Summit with an affiliate in football to the Big Sky.

That is FAR more reasonable that what NoDak is smoking.

If cutting cost was that important, FCOA would have been cut as all scholarship athletes have it at UND. But it's not being cut.

Can't believe you have tried to spin this, or maybe I can. Your athletic department was $1.4 million in the red last year. Your new President, who inherited the mess is VERY unhappy about it. The finances are going to be reviewed and cuts/changes will be recommended. FCOA may not even happen and if it does, your going to need to find money elsewhere. The only sport you can cut that would have a big impact is Women's Hockey. The other big budget item? Big Sky travel. If you think this means your WAC dream is coming to fruition your losing it. Things are not good in UND land. Oh, and below is the actual link to the story.

http://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/l...ffiliation

You vehemently denied that Big Sky was going to expand but the Idaho State Journal directly contradicts you. Either you can't read or your blind hatred of UND prevents you from reading things that you detest.

What is certain is that XDSU fans will spin this to forbid UND from going to a subdivision that they can't.

North Dakota has more budget cuts coming because of low oil prices. But because they have a huge oil trust fund that can't be spent til later in the decade, this is just a temporary ruse. UND is in good standing with the SBOHE, which isn't true from some schools.

The quote from the Big Sky is most likely talking about adding NMSU which has previsouly said they had talked to three conferences...
I beleive they stated at one point the Big Sky was one but I could be wrong on that...
I think the Big Sky would be foolish to add NMSU (as they would most likely dominate the tourney bid) but that doesnt mean they wont...

Your speculation without insider info is pure wishful thinking...

Not to mention every member of the Big Sky/WAC would essentialy have to agree with this...
The Big 12 agreeing to disolve prior to 2025 might be more likely to happen...

(08-16-2016 09:48 PM)NoDak Wrote:  We're already set for Title IX even if we go FBS. Travel would be cheaper in a WAC, and the Big Sky could designate teams to assign to it.

The male ratio is like 54% right now because so many Minnesotans are enrolling in engineering, which still places people in ND's expanding chemical and power industries.

It's still more male scholarships, which implies more female scholarships. FBS is not like FCS, with full-time-scholarship-equivalent counters, it's a head count like Division 1 BBall, where every scholarship is counted as a full scholarship.

If UND could save travel money moving its Olympic Sports other than hockey to the Big Sky, it could save even more money by dropping FCS football and moving all of its sports other than hockey to the Big Sky. And in that case, it wouldn't have to worry about finding a place for its FCS football program to play, nor worry about the network-driven trend to push back against P5 programs giving payday games to FCS schools.

(08-16-2016 10:37 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 09:48 PM)NoDak Wrote:  We're already set for Title IX even if we go FBS. Travel would be cheaper in a WAC, and the Big Sky could designate teams to assign to it.

The male ratio is like 54% right now because so many Minnesotans are enrolling in engineering, which still places people in ND's expanding chemical and power industries.

It's still more male scholarships, which implies more female scholarships. FBS is not like FCS, with full-time-scholarship-equivalent counters, it's a head count like Division 1 BBall, where every scholarship is counted as a full scholarship.

If UND could save travel money moving its Olympic Sports other than hockey to the Big Sky, it could save even more money by dropping FCS football and moving all of its sports other than hockey to the Big Sky. And in that case, it wouldn't have to worry about finding a place for its FCS football program to play, nor worry about the network-driven trend to push back against P5 programs giving payday games to FCS schools.

The Big Sky doesn't allow non football schools. It kicked out Northridge St when they dropped football

Might as well talk about hockey only for the Big Ten. Lord knows it needs a power team.

Idaho has been a non-football member of the Big Sky for a couple years now. Small technicality, but it still counts

(08-16-2016 11:17 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  Idaho has been a non-football member of the Big Sky for a couple years now. Small technicality, but it still counts

Idaho spends money on football. That is what counts.

(08-16-2016 03:29 PM)NoDak Wrote:  http://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/

The Big Sky and WAC will swap some teams, as the WAC can make FBS invitations.

The MVFC isn't offering slots so UND can't move to the Slummit for Olympics.

UTRGV would have a 24k stadium for football so they are in.

Wichita St would accept an FBS only. Perhaps Mo St too.

Lamar, Sam Houston, and maybe S F Austin would accept a WAC offer.

UMKC and NMSU would stay in.
Chicago St will probably go broke, so they are not part of the picture.

Montana, Montana St, Idaho, and E Washington would move too.

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