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RE: ACC grant of rights breakdown from an FSU guy
(06-14-2016 09:09 AM)Maize Wrote: (06-14-2016 09:03 AM)JRsec Wrote: (06-13-2016 09:56 AM)Maize Wrote: (06-13-2016 08:40 AM)quo vadis Wrote: (06-13-2016 08:25 AM)Maize Wrote: I give you Ohio State, Stanford and Michigan State could have beaten Houston...LSU...Uh no....no QB Play and they were crushed at home against Arkansas... Houston better than Arkansas...but again you have this LSU bias...you use to think Mettenberger was better than Bortles & Bridgewater...lol...
Could have? They would have all beaten Houston like a drum.
Yes, LSU lost to Arkansas, a team that crushed K-State in their bowl game. The other two teams LSU lost to were Ole Miss and Alabama. They went 3-0 in BCS bowl games.
Houston lost to UConn, and everyone was better than UConn. Houston also was effectively beaten at home by Memphis, they needed amazing 4th quarter luck and Memphis choking to win that game. Auburn, a 6-6 SEC team, crushed Memphis like a bug in a bowl game.
Houston beat an unmotivated FSU team that wasn't all that good to begin with. After two straight years of undefeated regular seasons and trips to the BCS title game and CFP playoffs, getting stuck playing Houston in the Peach was a huge downer. Few FSU fans bothered to make the 4-hour drive to Atlanta. And FSU was a good matchup for Houston because FSU was a speed/finesse team and Houston had speed.
But LSU had plenty of speed on defense to run with the Houston offense, and on offense would have pounded Houston to death between the tackles with Hill. Houston would have had no answer for that. 38-21 probably an accurate final score, LSU with about 300 rushing yards.
1. We played them both and we warned FSU fans about them...they were motivated...also, Memphis beat Ole Miss by double digits...Houston had complete control in the Peach Bowl over FSU
2. Greg Ward Jr. played only the 1st and part of the 2nd Quarter against Memphis and wasn't playing when they lost to UConn...
And,........Memphis was handled by a pedestrian Auburn team. Hmm! You have a weak argument and as usual it represents more Schadenfreude than fact where the SEC is concerned.
You're right....they were handled by a average Auburn-(as was Louisville) when their HC left for Virginia Tech prior to the Bowl Game....FYI...I'm not "Anti SEC"...
Yep. See my edited post above. There is nothing out there that accounts for the persistent inequities and the fact that when some G5 schools get great coaches they are going to be snapped up by larger hungry programs.
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Re: RE: ACC grant of rights breakdown from an FSU guy
(06-14-2016 07:42 AM)Nebraskafan Wrote: (06-12-2016 07:01 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote: Revisionist history! Anyone who claims that FSU and Miami were not the two best programs in the 90's needs to go straight to drug rehab... also, while I agree that Oregon "buzz-sawed" FSU, that's not how I would describe the Houston loss (and, to be honest, I'm not sure that Ohio State, Michigan State, Stanford, Oklahoma, Florida, LSU, or any team not named Alabama or Clemson would've beaten last year's very underrated Houston squad in a bowl, where they get a month to prepare for you on a neutral site).
Let me know which rehab center you want your treatment at since Nebraska was the top program in the nation in the 90's.
You are right. Nebraska was top three, and has an argument for number one.
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RE: ACC grant of rights breakdown from an FSU guy
(06-14-2016 09:22 AM)quo vadis Wrote: (06-14-2016 09:09 AM)Maize Wrote: (06-14-2016 09:03 AM)JRsec Wrote: (06-13-2016 09:56 AM)Maize Wrote: (06-13-2016 08:40 AM)quo vadis Wrote: Could have? They would have all beaten Houston like a drum.
Yes, LSU lost to Arkansas, a team that crushed K-State in their bowl game. The other two teams LSU lost to were Ole Miss and Alabama. They went 3-0 in BCS bowl games.
Houston lost to UConn, and everyone was better than UConn. Houston also was effectively beaten at home by Memphis, they needed amazing 4th quarter luck and Memphis choking to win that game. Auburn, a 6-6 SEC team, crushed Memphis like a bug in a bowl game.
Houston beat an unmotivated FSU team that wasn't all that good to begin with. After two straight years of undefeated regular seasons and trips to the BCS title game and CFP playoffs, getting stuck playing Houston in the Peach was a huge downer. Few FSU fans bothered to make the 4-hour drive to Atlanta. And FSU was a good matchup for Houston because FSU was a speed/finesse team and Houston had speed.
But LSU had plenty of speed on defense to run with the Houston offense, and on offense would have pounded Houston to death between the tackles with Hill. Houston would have had no answer for that. 38-21 probably an accurate final score, LSU with about 300 rushing yards.
1. We played them both and we warned FSU fans about them...they were motivated...also, Memphis beat Ole Miss by double digits...Houston had complete control in the Peach Bowl over FSU
2. Greg Ward Jr. played only the 1st and part of the 2nd Quarter against Memphis and wasn't playing when they lost to UConn...
And,........Memphis was handled by a pedestrian Auburn team. Hmm! You have a weak argument and as usual it represents more Schadenfreude than fact where the SEC is concerned.
You're right....they were handled by a average Auburn-(as was Louisville) when their HC left for Virginia Tech prior to the Bowl Game....
Right, and Auburn handled them despite losing their DC and defensive line coach before that bowl game as well.
As for UofL vs FSU, you're not going to be able to spin a 41-21 loss as a "close game", not anywhere like UofL vs Houston.
1. Losing your HC > DC...Fuente > Muschamp.. I know you're not trying to say otherwise since Fuente was South Carolina first choice....
2. Louisville had the halftime lead and halfway into the 3rd Quarter...I actually watched the game...they wilted in the Florida heat..
Bottom Line...LSU would not have "Crushed" Houston...you lost at home to Arkansas-(good team) badly...same Arkansas that lost at home to Toledo-(very good G5 team but not Houston quality)...
(This post was last modified: 06-14-2016 11:43 AM by Maize.)
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RE: ACC grant of rights breakdown from an FSU guy
(06-14-2016 10:56 AM)Maize Wrote: (06-14-2016 09:22 AM)quo vadis Wrote: (06-14-2016 09:09 AM)Maize Wrote: (06-14-2016 09:03 AM)JRsec Wrote: (06-13-2016 09:56 AM)Maize Wrote: 1. We played them both and we warned FSU fans about them...they were motivated...also, Memphis beat Ole Miss by double digits...Houston had complete control in the Peach Bowl over FSU
2. Greg Ward Jr. played only the 1st and part of the 2nd Quarter against Memphis and wasn't playing when they lost to UConn...
And,........Memphis was handled by a pedestrian Auburn team. Hmm! You have a weak argument and as usual it represents more Schadenfreude than fact where the SEC is concerned.
You're right....they were handled by a average Auburn-(as was Louisville) when their HC left for Virginia Tech prior to the Bowl Game....
Right, and Auburn handled them despite losing their DC and defensive line coach before that bowl game as well.
As for UofL vs FSU, you're not going to be able to spin a 41-21 loss as a "close game", not anywhere like UofL vs Houston.
1. Losing your HC > DC...Fuente > Muschamp.. I know you're not trying to say otherwise since Fuente was South Carolina first choice....
Are you kidding? Muschamp has been a better DC than Fuente has been an HC. Muschamp succeeded as a DC at LSU, at Auburn, and at Texas. Fuente has had one decent season as an HC at Memphis. Auburn crushed Memphis because they smothered the Memphis offense, held them to 205 yards and 10 points, destroyed Paxton Lynch. And they did that WITHOUT their DC and DL coach, the two guys MOST responsible for the defense, not the Head Coach. So Memphis had MORE of their offensive coaching staff for that game than Auburn had of their defensive coaching staff.
And your argument about FSU vs UofL has wilted in the Florida heat, since there's no rational way to spin a 41-21 defeat as anything comparable to a 34-31 defeat. Not even close.
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RE: ACC grant of rights breakdown from an FSU guy
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RE: ACC grant of rights breakdown from an FSU guy
(06-14-2016 12:15 PM)Maize Wrote: (06-14-2016 12:10 PM)quo vadis Wrote: (06-14-2016 10:56 AM)Maize Wrote: (06-14-2016 09:22 AM)quo vadis Wrote: (06-14-2016 09:09 AM)Maize Wrote: You're right....they were handled by a average Auburn-(as was Louisville) when their HC left for Virginia Tech prior to the Bowl Game....
Right, and Auburn handled them despite losing their DC and defensive line coach before that bowl game as well.
As for UofL vs FSU, you're not going to be able to spin a 41-21 loss as a "close game", not anywhere like UofL vs Houston.
1. Losing your HC > DC...Fuente > Muschamp.. I know you're not trying to say otherwise since Fuente was South Carolina first choice....
Are you kidding? Auburn crushed Memphis because they smothered the Memphis offense, held them to 205 yards and 10 points, destroyed Paxton Lynch. And they did that WITHOUT their DC and DL coach, the two guys MOST responsible for the defense, not the Head Coach. So Memphis had MORE of their offensive coaching staff for that game than Auburn had of their defensive coaching staff.
And your argument about FSU vs UofL has wilted in the Florida heat, since there's no rational way to spin a 41-21 defeat as anything comparable to a 34-31 defeat. Not even close.
When your winning the game well into the 3rd Quarter-(Louisville-FSU)..that by most accounts is competitive and a game I watch in real time and you likely didn't...still you can't get around the fact it is highly doubtful that LSU would have "Crushed" Houston....but you do you....
You lost on Fuente vs Muschamp, lost on Houston vs its terribly weak schedule. You are clinging desperately to 41-21 as a "close" game? Are you kidding? Just because the game was tied with 8 minutes to go in the 3rd?
Not the 4th, the 3rd? Blowouts happen like that all the time!
We'll never know for sure what would have happened if LSU played Houston, but in all probability LSU would have smashed them pretty good.
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RE: ACC grant of rights breakdown from an FSU guy
(06-14-2016 12:19 PM)quo vadis Wrote: (06-14-2016 12:15 PM)Maize Wrote: (06-14-2016 12:10 PM)quo vadis Wrote: (06-14-2016 10:56 AM)Maize Wrote: (06-14-2016 09:22 AM)quo vadis Wrote: Right, and Auburn handled them despite losing their DC and defensive line coach before that bowl game as well.
As for UofL vs FSU, you're not going to be able to spin a 41-21 loss as a "close game", not anywhere like UofL vs Houston.
1. Losing your HC > DC...Fuente > Muschamp.. I know you're not trying to say otherwise since Fuente was South Carolina first choice....
Are you kidding? Auburn crushed Memphis because they smothered the Memphis offense, held them to 205 yards and 10 points, destroyed Paxton Lynch. And they did that WITHOUT their DC and DL coach, the two guys MOST responsible for the defense, not the Head Coach. So Memphis had MORE of their offensive coaching staff for that game than Auburn had of their defensive coaching staff.
And your argument about FSU vs UofL has wilted in the Florida heat, since there's no rational way to spin a 41-21 defeat as anything comparable to a 34-31 defeat. Not even close.
When your winning the game well into the 3rd Quarter-(Louisville-FSU)..that by most accounts is competitive and a game I watch in real time and you likely didn't...still you can't get around the fact it is highly doubtful that LSU would have "Crushed" Houston....but you do you....
You lost on Fuente vs Muschamp, lost on Houston vs its terribly weak schedule. You are clinging desperately to 41-21 as a "close" game? Are you kidding? Just because the game was tied with 8 minutes to go in the 3rd?
Not the 4th, the 3rd? Blowouts happen like that all the time!
We'll never know for sure what would have happened if LSU played Houston, but in all probability LSU would have smashed them pretty good.
No...it you that lost...said competitive not close...reading comprehension...if you really feel Fuente < Muschamp...just wow..but again you thought Mettenberger > Bortles...Purple & Gold Bias runs deep..
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RE: ACC grant of rights breakdown from an FSU guy
(06-14-2016 12:22 PM)Maize Wrote: (06-14-2016 12:19 PM)quo vadis Wrote: (06-14-2016 12:15 PM)Maize Wrote: (06-14-2016 12:10 PM)quo vadis Wrote: (06-14-2016 10:56 AM)Maize Wrote: 1. Losing your HC > DC...Fuente > Muschamp.. I know you're not trying to say otherwise since Fuente was South Carolina first choice....
Are you kidding? Auburn crushed Memphis because they smothered the Memphis offense, held them to 205 yards and 10 points, destroyed Paxton Lynch. And they did that WITHOUT their DC and DL coach, the two guys MOST responsible for the defense, not the Head Coach. So Memphis had MORE of their offensive coaching staff for that game than Auburn had of their defensive coaching staff.
And your argument about FSU vs UofL has wilted in the Florida heat, since there's no rational way to spin a 41-21 defeat as anything comparable to a 34-31 defeat. Not even close.
When your winning the game well into the 3rd Quarter-(Louisville-FSU)..that by most accounts is competitive and a game I watch in real time and you likely didn't...still you can't get around the fact it is highly doubtful that LSU would have "Crushed" Houston....but you do you....
You lost on Fuente vs Muschamp, lost on Houston vs its terribly weak schedule. You are clinging desperately to 41-21 as a "close" game? Are you kidding? Just because the game was tied with 8 minutes to go in the 3rd?
Not the 4th, the 3rd? Blowouts happen like that all the time!
We'll never know for sure what would have happened if LSU played Houston, but in all probability LSU would have smashed them pretty good.
No...it you that lost...said competitive not close...reading comprehension...if you really feel Fuente < Muschamp...just wow..
How on earth is 41-21 "competitive" (LOL) comparable to 34-31, which WAS a genuinely CLOSE game, such that anyone would take away from those games that FSU should be wary of Houston? Makes no sense and no amount of "Florida wilt" can save you on that. Heck, during the FSU - UofL game the temperature ranged from 74 - 82 degrees. Not exactly blazing Florida sun. It was mid-October, not mid-July.
And Muschamp was Auburn's DC, not HC. And as a DC, he's been FAR better than Fuente has been as an HC. Heck, Fuente is 26-23 as an HC, with one decent year in his entire career, last year. Muschamp has a track record of being a successful DC at several major programs. So you're right, it's not close.
And yet without Muschamp, Auburn smashed Paxton and the Memphis offense.
Just give it up, there's no hope for you here.
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RE: ACC grant of rights breakdown from an FSU guy
Whatever makes you feel better bruh...
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RE: ACC grant of rights breakdown from an FSU guy
(06-14-2016 01:19 PM)Maize Wrote: Whatever makes you feel better bruh...
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RE: ACC grant of rights breakdown from an FSU guy
(06-06-2016 08:20 AM)nole Wrote: So again, what EVERYBODY is missing is....what happens when ESPN/Swofford go to FSU and say 'we are getting $3 million a year per team for an internet ACC Network (ie a very weak conference network) and we expect you to sign a GOR extension until 2035". What does FSU's BOT do then?
The trustees support Florida State's president in signing a grant of rights extension through 2036 because that's not what ESPN says. ESPN plans a linear cable channel for 2019 with digital offerings starting three years in advance.
The ACC gains solidity and status overnight while the Big 12 goes into an immediate expansion scramble. Florida State looks forward to ACC membership well past the retirement ages of its current trustees while the Nervous Nellies in the Seminole fan base find something else to wax dramatic about.
That catches what everybody was missing, I think. As you asked.
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