It's baaaaaack.


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Good for them. They actually get it right when it comes to the round robin scheduling. I don't know how well a championship game is going to work with playing someone twice. But I wouldn't mind the Big 12 stabilizing. We really don't need these mega-conferences taking over college football.

I would like to see the Big XII get their problems resolved and stay solid. The CG will help a lot in my opinion. They do need to carefully weigh new membership. No rush. They will have to get a network to compete though.

The championship game is just about a guaranteed 3 million a year. It doesn't mean expansion. In fact it would make no sense to add schools who would lower the amount they are gaining by playing the game.

(06-04-2016 08:17 PM)JRsec Wrote:  The championship game is just about a guaranteed 3 million a year. It doesn't mean expansion. In fact it would make no sense to add schools who would lower the amount they are gaining by playing the game.

It would lend credence to the idea that the Big 12 will be sticking around for a while as currently constituted, no?

(06-04-2016 08:41 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(06-04-2016 08:17 PM)JRsec Wrote:  The championship game is just about a guaranteed 3 million a year. It doesn't mean expansion. In fact it would make no sense to add schools who would lower the amount they are gaining by playing the game.

It would lend credence to the idea that the Big 12 will be sticking around for a while as currently constituted, no?

Two to four years. It takes two years to handle the legalities and formalities of a move and then a two year notification when those are worked out to eliminate the exit fee. Plus in 4 years the the cost of the GOR is cut in half. So if they got enough votes to dissolve it would take two years to work out the scheduling, the legalities, the renovations, and the meet & greets with new academic peers. Then they can move.

If there is no dissolution look for four years before OU or Kansas would pull the trigger. The costs at that time will be much more in hand.

There are a lot of theories on this, but will OU and KU be able to leave T. Boone Pickens and Snyder State behind? If politics come into play with OU, I would imagine that the SEC would be the most likely destination with OSU as 16th. The general feeling about KU is that they prefer the B1G, but I have no idea if that is actually the case.

(06-05-2016 12:00 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-04-2016 08:41 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(06-04-2016 08:17 PM)JRsec Wrote:  The championship game is just about a guaranteed 3 million a year. It doesn't mean expansion. In fact it would make no sense to add schools who would lower the amount they are gaining by playing the game.

It would lend credence to the idea that the Big 12 will be sticking around for a while as currently constituted, no?

Two to four years. It takes two years to handle the legalities and formalities of a move and then a two year notification when those are worked out to eliminate the exit fee. Plus in 4 years the the cost of the GOR is cut in half. So if they got enough votes to dissolve it would take two years to work out the scheduling, the legalities, the renovations, and the meet & greets with new academic peers. Then they can move.

If there is no dissolution look for four years before OU or Kansas would pull the trigger. The costs at that time will be much more in hand.

(06-04-2016 07:04 AM)hawghiggs Wrote:  Good for them. They actually get it right when it comes to the round robin scheduling. I don't know how well a championship game is going to work with playing someone twice. But I wouldn't mind the Big 12 stabilizing. We really don't need these mega-conferences taking over college football.

I would like to see the B12 stabilize as well. But I'm not sure a CCG is the way to do that. Panicking over a sample size of 2 with regard to the B12 ability to get a team in the CFP seems like an overreaction.

(06-06-2016 02:50 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(06-04-2016 07:04 AM)hawghiggs Wrote:  Good for them. They actually get it right when it comes to the round robin scheduling. I don't know how well a championship game is going to work with playing someone twice. But I wouldn't mind the Big 12 stabilizing. We really don't need these mega-conferences taking over college football.

I would like to see the B12 stabilize as well. But I'm not sure a CCG is the way to do that. Panicking over a sample size of 2 with regard to the B12 ability to get a team in the CFP seems like an overreaction.

True. The biggest problem with the Big 12 today is that the other programs not named Texas and Oklahoma have not figured out away to monetize their tier 3 rights. What they need to do is go ahead and just create a streaming service and charge a monthly subscription rate. Seven of the 10 Big 12 programs don't have tier 3 deals.

They needed it.

(06-09-2016 07:42 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 02:50 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(06-04-2016 07:04 AM)hawghiggs Wrote:  Good for them. They actually get it right when it comes to the round robin scheduling. I don't know how well a championship game is going to work with playing someone twice. But I wouldn't mind the Big 12 stabilizing. We really don't need these mega-conferences taking over college football.

I would like to see the B12 stabilize as well. But I'm not sure a CCG is the way to do that. Panicking over a sample size of 2 with regard to the B12 ability to get a team in the CFP seems like an overreaction.

True. The biggest problem with the Big 12 today is that the other programs not named Texas and Oklahoma have not figured out away to monetize their tier 3 rights. What they need to do is go ahead and just create a streaming service and charge a monthly subscription rate. Seven of the 10 Big 12 programs don't have tier 3 deals.

Baylor, Tech, OSU, TCU, and KSU all have Tier 3 deals paying $3-$4 million each with Fox Sports. Their games when not broadcast on TV can be streamed through the Fox Sports Go app and website. Has been this way since shortly after they signed their new TV deals with ESPN and Fox.

(06-10-2016 07:45 PM)BaylorFerg Wrote:  

(06-09-2016 07:42 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 02:50 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(06-04-2016 07:04 AM)hawghiggs Wrote:  Good for them. They actually get it right when it comes to the round robin scheduling. I don't know how well a championship game is going to work with playing someone twice. But I wouldn't mind the Big 12 stabilizing. We really don't need these mega-conferences taking over college football.

I would like to see the B12 stabilize as well. But I'm not sure a CCG is the way to do that. Panicking over a sample size of 2 with regard to the B12 ability to get a team in the CFP seems like an overreaction.

True. The biggest problem with the Big 12 today is that the other programs not named Texas and Oklahoma have not figured out away to monetize their tier 3 rights. What they need to do is go ahead and just create a streaming service and charge a monthly subscription rate. Seven of the 10 Big 12 programs don't have tier 3 deals.

Baylor, Tech, OSU, TCU, and KSU all have Tier 3 deals paying $3-$4 million each with Fox Sports. Their games when not broadcast on TV can be streamed through the Fox Sports Go app and website. Has been this way since shortly after they signed their new TV deals with ESPN and Fox.

Thank you. I wasn't aware of that. So the Big 12 isn't really that far behind after all.

(06-11-2016 12:31 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  

(06-10-2016 07:45 PM)BaylorFerg Wrote:  

(06-09-2016 07:42 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 02:50 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(06-04-2016 07:04 AM)hawghiggs Wrote:  Good for them. They actually get it right when it comes to the round robin scheduling. I don't know how well a championship game is going to work with playing someone twice. But I wouldn't mind the Big 12 stabilizing. We really don't need these mega-conferences taking over college football.

I would like to see the B12 stabilize as well. But I'm not sure a CCG is the way to do that. Panicking over a sample size of 2 with regard to the B12 ability to get a team in the CFP seems like an overreaction.

True. The biggest problem with the Big 12 today is that the other programs not named Texas and Oklahoma have not figured out away to monetize their tier 3 rights. What they need to do is go ahead and just create a streaming service and charge a monthly subscription rate. Seven of the 10 Big 12 programs don't have tier 3 deals.

Baylor, Tech, OSU, TCU, and KSU all have Tier 3 deals paying $3-$4 million each with Fox Sports. Their games when not broadcast on TV can be streamed through the Fox Sports Go app and website. Has been this way since shortly after they signed their new TV deals with ESPN and Fox.

Thank you. I wasn't aware of that. So the Big 12 isn't really that far behind after all.

No they aren't. The problem is they don't have much of an upside from here and there is no guarantee that a new contract would solve that problem.

I have a question for everyone. Could the SEC network buy Iowa states tier 3 media rights?

(06-11-2016 11:14 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  I have a question for everyone. Could the SEC network buy Iowa states tier 3 media rights?

Do you mean without taking them as a member? If we took them as a member I think the network would cover it. But if you are talking about just to be able to air some of their T3 games then I would say we "could" but why would we want to do so? It's not like we cover the Big 12 T1 & T2 news and our audience wouldn't be interested in watching them unless they were a member. And I doubt their fans would buy the SECN just to watch a couple of Iowa State games.

(06-04-2016 08:17 PM)JRsec Wrote:  The championship game is just about a guaranteed 3 million a year. It doesn't mean expansion. In fact it would make no sense to add schools who would lower the amount they are gaining by playing the game.

The money is there, so why not take it, plus the exposure would not hurt the Big 12. I am assuming that the Big 12 is "confused" because at this point everybody does not have a landing spot (or more likely, Texas keeps changing it's mind which I believe is the true cause of Oklahoma's frustration) which means it's too early to talk about dissolution.

(06-12-2016 12:02 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-11-2016 11:14 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  I have a question for everyone. Could the SEC network buy Iowa states tier 3 media rights?

Do you mean without taking them as a member? If we took them as a member I think the network would cover it. But if you are talking about just to be able to air some of their T3 games then I would say we "could" but why would we want to do so? It's not like we cover the Big 12 T1 & T2 news and our audience wouldn't be interested in watching them unless they were a member. And I doubt their fans would buy the SECN just to watch a couple of Iowa State games.

I used the premise of the SEC network buying up ISU rights and I get what your saying about coverage. But the Longhorn Network does cover the Big 12. What if the Longhorn network just started buying up the media rights of its conference members?

(06-12-2016 07:42 AM)hawghiggs Wrote:  

(06-12-2016 12:02 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-11-2016 11:14 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  I have a question for everyone. Could the SEC network buy Iowa states tier 3 media rights?

Do you mean without taking them as a member? If we took them as a member I think the network would cover it. But if you are talking about just to be able to air some of their T3 games then I would say we "could" but why would we want to do so? It's not like we cover the Big 12 T1 & T2 news and our audience wouldn't be interested in watching them unless they were a member. And I doubt their fans would buy the SECN just to watch a couple of Iowa State games.

I used the premise of the SEC network buying up ISU rights and I get what your saying about coverage. But the Longhorn Network does cover the Big 12. What if the Longhorn network just started buying up the media rights of its conference members?

Now that's an interesting concept. They could provide a network "ad hoc" tot he Big 12. The problem is they would probably buy the T3 rights of the other schools for their current amounts and the T3 rights would remain unequal. The rub would be that Texas (who is already the most advantaged partner) would make money off of all of the other 9 schools thereby increasing the gulf in revenue.

Now admittedly since Texas sports are lagging that may not translate into an advantage on the field.

But, let me offer a scenario which could work. Texas buys all of the T3 rights of the other 9 schools and accounts for its own 15 million. Then they divide the pie by 11. They keep 2/11ths of the revenue generated and distribute the other 9/11ths equally. It is a small net loss for Texas over what they are currently getting, but it sets up long term what would essentially be a Big 12 Network. Now this could work if the other 9 schools simply bought out their own T3 so it didn't cost Texas at anything up front. Then each school could receive 1/11th of the revenue and Texas could garner the other 1/11th for operational expenses. It is essentially the same game only Texas doesn't have to front all of the T3 buyouts.

However, I think the bigger issue is that it would not be profitable enough, just like now the prospects for such isn't profitable enough. But, in theory it would work.

I've often wondered why the LHN hasn't purchased the rights to UTEP or UTSA. I get that they aren't really bringing any new markets. But they would be bringing actual content.

(06-11-2016 11:14 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  I have a question for everyone. Could the SEC network buy Iowa states tier 3 media rights?

I knew you probably just threw out Iowa State but they have developed their own channel and it is on the basic cable package for Mediacom statewide in Iowa. I was surprised and didn't think it would be on the eastern half of the state where the University of Iowa is but I found out it is.

I assumed ISU would net next to nothing in tier 3, but I have seen by other Big 12 sources that ISU gets $4M a year in revenues.

I do know ISU is very happy with the exposure they receive from being on the basic cable programming around the state.

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