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RE: The latest from Harry on The Foreman Saga
(06-03-2016 04:08 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(06-03-2016 04:01 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(06-03-2016 03:51 PM)ODU_NYG Wrote:  
(06-03-2016 03:45 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(06-03-2016 03:19 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  I disagree a bit. Any time those Eastern division schools are having great seasons, like Marshall in 2014 or WKU in 2015, they will attract a crowd. Secondly, if ODU stays in CUSA for a while, I hope some rivalries develop which increase local interest. Finally, ODU's performance should continue to improve now as the transition from FCS fades further in the rearview.

When Marshall was killing it in 2014, they averaged 27,461 with a stadium capacity of 38,227. They only had 3 games where they drew 30k or more; Ohio, Middle Tennessee, and Rice.

Western Kentucky has a stadium capacity of 22,113. They lost 2 games last year; at Indiana and LSU.

17,515 vs LT
20,320 vs. Miami (OH)
16,993 vs. MT
18,421 vs. FAU
17,687 vs. Marshall

The championship game, which was at WKY's stadium drew 16,823.

For some reason people are convinced attendance is there when it really isn't. This talk some people have of selling out 50k or even 70k is pure lunacy. It doesn't matter who we are playing.

how many people live in those towns? we drew 20k fans playing against Campbell and Chowan.

The factors that contribute to college football attendance:

1) Winning
2) Level of play (BCS, P-5, FCS)
3) Undergraduate population

Factors that hurt College Football Attendence:

1) Large city population
2) Local Pro Teams
3) Being a Private School


People that point to metropolitan population as support for a larger stadium are incorrect. It has a negative correlation to college football attendance. This is why the schools that draw the best are medium to large sized college towns, public Universities, with a large undergraduate population, and no pro sports teams.

Why do you think Virginia Tech draws so well? Or Penn State? What is the population in their towns?

Depends on the population. A program like Charlotte, which has an NFL team in the city and easy access to multiple P5 programs, have an uphill climb to clear, though they've been doing a pretty good job so far, all things considered. Ditto Georgia State, though if the play their Turner Field cards right, they should be in a decent spot themselves.

ODU, on the other hand, is the signature institution in the traditional center of a 1.5 million person metropolitan region that has no NFL *or* even FBS competition within three hours. The population does not hurt the program at all.

Georgia State barely gets 10k per game in a massive stadium in Atlanta. What do you mean they do a pretty good job? Also, East Carolina is well within a 3 hour drive; as is UVA. It is too early to judge Charlotte since the "newness" has not worn off yet.
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I am all for 28k to 30k with the option to expand. I say build it for 30k just dont add the seats yet to protect their record. I dont care for the sell out record. Someone at ODU didnt do their math right from the start of our program. We started with 19,782 seats in 2009 and now have 20,118 seats. Where the hell did the 300 plus seats come from!?!?! It seems ever couple years they add these magic seats to the capacity, my butt has only gotten bigger since 2009 I could understand if all our butts got smaller there would be more seats.
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so you're saying 20k vs. Chowan and campbell won't translate to 25k+ for our CUSA conference games? I get it, FIU, FAU, N Texas, etc may not draw more than 20k most of the time, but to suggest that 25k is fine and 30k is a waste of time I don't agree with. there are a lot of ways ODU could market the area to get people to come to those games. VT, ECU and the bigger OOC games we won't have to worry about.

I do agree with one thing - our student population, while plenty large, don't all live in Norfolk. in blacksburg 99% of the students are there and thats before all the alumni travel from out of town. plus we shouldn't compare ourselves to them anyway.

having a large population to market to I think is a good thing vs. the alternative.
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(06-03-2016 04:27 PM)ODU_NYG Wrote:  so you're saying 20k vs. Chowan and campbell won't translate to 25k+ for our CUSA conference games? I get it, FIU, FAU, N Texas, etc may not draw more than 20k most of the time, but to suggest that 25k is fine and 30k is a waste of time I don't agree with. there are a lot of ways ODU could market the area to get people to come to those games. VT, ECU and the bigger OOC games we won't have to worry about.

I do agree with one thing - our student population, while plenty large, don't all live in Norfolk. in blacksburg 99% of the students are there and thats before all the alumni travel from out of town. plus we shouldn't compare ourselves to them anyway.

having a large population to market to I think is a good thing vs. the alternative.

You cannot compare the initial surge in attendance due to the program being new with a more established program. Furthermore, there will obviously be an initial surge after the new stadium is built, but it is about sustainability and at what point the stadium size is feasible based on costs.
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How do we really know our potently with tickets when the school hasn't done a lot of marketing for football. I still have family members asking if there is a waiting list still.

I beatcha if ODU started marketing with one of the pizza chains on their pizza boxes with ODU logos and bottling companies with ODU logos on pepsi or coke cans people would know.

Heck I still have pepsi cans from the mid 90s with "Lets Ride the Rhinos to the big leagues" when Norfolk tried to get NHL.
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Hmmmm, I suppose I'll watch and see what the professionals at Populous have to say about all of this.
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Same, I want the stadium to be 30k or more. If we build a 50 K stadium and have 2 big P5 teams come to ODU every year, that would be 4 home games sell out of 25k Stadium. We only get an average of 6 home games every year so why not make it big. Stop scheduling small FCS teams, we aint a big program yet ! 2020 we have WF and UVA coming to town, 2019, we have ECU, and drop Buffalo. 2018 we have Vtech and we need to drop VMI and schedule a P5 team. If ACC teams can come to town, I'm sure other P5 teams are also willing to do the same.
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(06-03-2016 04:35 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(06-03-2016 04:27 PM)ODU_NYG Wrote:  so you're saying 20k vs. Chowan and campbell won't translate to 25k+ for our CUSA conference games? I get it, FIU, FAU, N Texas, etc may not draw more than 20k most of the time, but to suggest that 25k is fine and 30k is a waste of time I don't agree with. there are a lot of ways ODU could market the area to get people to come to those games. VT, ECU and the bigger OOC games we won't have to worry about.

I do agree with one thing - our student population, while plenty large, don't all live in Norfolk. in blacksburg 99% of the students are there and thats before all the alumni travel from out of town. plus we shouldn't compare ourselves to them anyway.

having a large population to market to I think is a good thing vs. the alternative.

You cannot compare the initial surge in attendance due to the program being new with a more established program. Furthermore, there will obviously be an initial surge after the new stadium is built, but it is about sustainability and at what point the stadium size is feasible based on costs.

It's also about growth. If the expansion is 5k or less that's all that will be available for 10+ years. ODU doesn't need to sellout a 30 or 35k stadium on day one. But with the Ted many of those initial surge ticket holders stayed around as Harry discussed in the article.
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30k seems like the best option to me, but I don't have to worry about the particulars. The neighborhood to the west and northwest is going to put up a fight regardless. As will Larchmont. I'm assuming that the Ainslie Complex will be staying put, which means our options for stadium dimensions are limited. We have room to build up and out on the east side, but we'd have to build up at a steep incline to make the west side work. I am not privy to plans and prevalent sentiments, but I would assume that we would not want to piss of the west neighborhood even more by building an asymmetrical stadium with the high side being east and the crowd noise being reflected west out into the neighborhood.

03-idea Unless there's some behind-the-scenes wheeling and dealing to buy up that whole block west of the Foreman site. I can dream.
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Well what do you know, another no news stadium thread.
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I'm on the 30k min team. MUST have fan amenities. Totally fine with the streak ending but allowing room for program growth. Others have mentioned it, I also know ppl who have been to the games who won't come back bc it's uncomfortable. Hell there's game days I force myself to go bc I dread knees in backs and sitting on bench style seating.
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(06-03-2016 08:29 PM)CameramanJ Wrote:  30k seems like the best option to me, but I don't have to worry about the particulars. The neighborhood to the west and northwest is going to put up a fight regardless. As will Larchmont. I'm assuming that the Ainslie Complex will be staying put, which means our options for stadium dimensions are limited. We have room to build up and out on the east side, but we'd have to build up at a steep incline to make the west side work. I am not privy to plans and prevalent sentiments, but I would assume that we would not want to piss of the west neighborhood even more by building an asymmetrical stadium with the high side being east and the crowd noise being reflected west out into the neighborhood.

03-idea Unless there's some behind-the-scenes wheeling and dealing to buy up that whole block west of the Foreman site. I can dream.

Maybe build out to the sidewalk? The stands are 120 feet deep at center field I think? Allows for more room to go up.
Or modify the suites some more. I'm sure creative minds can think of something better than what I just threw out.
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Team 30K here. AIM HIGH.

We do a disservice to ODU and the Hampton Roads community if we don't make this stadium at least 28-30K.

Hopefully, the ODU admin who want 21-22K realize how detrimental such a low increase would mean. Sure, the sellout streak would remain, but at a huge opportunity cost.
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You can't add to the fan base and grow ODAF, if you don't have tickets to sell. 28,500 to 30,000 should be the min.
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Saga???????????
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Does anyone know if lifting the entire gameday building and aligning at an angle like ghentfan did in the picture is possible? I am no civil engineer but is that really possible if it is how expensive would a move like that be?

EDIT: I really should have searched but looks like its possible.

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I can't even fathom that would be feasible. But with enough money there is a way.

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(06-04-2016 08:53 AM)Cr8n Wrote:  I can't even fathom that would be feasible. But with enough money there is a way.

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Yep looks like it will be really expensive from the looks of it.
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Not really sure how feasible it is to move it. Old houses and other types of buildings that are moved usually are not built on top of foundations that are deep in to the ground.
I don't know if they drove down pylons to account that this area is kind of swampy.
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(06-04-2016 09:44 AM)GhentFan Wrote:  Not really sure how feasible it is to move it. Old houses and other types of buildings that are moved usually are not built on top of foundations that are deep in to the ground.
I don't know if they drove down pylons to account that this area is kind of swampy.

I think you are right. The ability of a building to be moved has a lot to do with the engineering of it's foundation. I'm not too sure it would be possible to move the game day building.
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