(06-02-2016 09:18 AM)Beetlejuice Wrote:  When you talk about adding G5 teams to a "Power 5 conference and how it makes a difference, you have to look at a team like TCU. I remember when they were just an easy target for CUSA teams to spank. Add them to a P5 conference and now they are annual contenders. If the Big 12 picks wisely, the 4 teams they add not only will bring in the revenue, but become possibly powerhouses.

TCU actually made the move to football power just before the B12 invite. In fact, that's largely how they ended up getting the invitation. The B12 was in jeopardy of losing BCS status and needed to shore up their football competitiveness.

But the rest is true. The revenue and level playing field will be huge for the right schools (Memphis).

(06-02-2016 09:11 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 09:03 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

Quote:But that does not address the original question. How does adding a UC, Memphis, Houston, or UCF add $500 million to the value of any contract?

inventory. If they add 4, that is 16 extra games a year (plus the home non conference games they get rights to) plus a championship game. Multiply that by however many years the contract is for.

Maybe so. But the $500 million was for 2 teams, $1 billion was for 4.

Hoping for the best, prepared for the worst.

The $500M and $1B is basically in the contract already by giving any expanded team a full share of the existing contracting. It's not about how much additional revenue it would or would not generate for the networks. It's how much they have already contracted to payout to the conference.

(06-02-2016 09:11 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 09:03 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

Quote:But that does not address the original question. How does adding a UC, Memphis, Houston, or UCF add $500 million to the value of any contract?

inventory. If they add 4, that is 16 extra games a year (plus the home non conference games they get rights to) plus a championship game. Multiply that by however many years the contract is for.

Maybe so. But the $500 million was for 2 teams, $1 billion was for 4.

Hoping for the best, prepared for the worst.

From recent articles, it appears the $1B is for adding 4 schools & includes a combination of larger TV inventory & larger TV market coupled with BXII network & championship game - and this due to added subscription revenue & added advertising value, additional sponsor opportunities as well as the championship game revenue itself.

Of course the big issue for Memphis is being selected - and I don't think the BXII taking 4 schools actually helps Memphis anymore than taking 2 teams. If Cincy is one school, it's either UConn or Memphis - or the FL schools (UCF & USF) coming totally from the east. If BXII wants BYU then its BYU & CSU as the west 2 & 2 of the 4 from the east. IF TX politics are in play then UH might edge out one of the other schools, likely one of the east possibilities (Cincy, Memphis, UConn, UCF, USF)...JMO. Fingers crossed.

(06-02-2016 09:37 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 09:11 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 09:03 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

Quote:But that does not address the original question. How does adding a UC, Memphis, Houston, or UCF add $500 million to the value of any contract?

inventory. If they add 4, that is 16 extra games a year (plus the home non conference games they get rights to) plus a championship game. Multiply that by however many years the contract is for.

Maybe so. But the $500 million was for 2 teams, $1 billion was for 4.

Hoping for the best, prepared for the worst.

From recent articles, it appears the $1B is for adding 4 schools & includes a combination of larger TV inventory & larger TV market coupled with BXII network & championship game - and this due to added subscription revenue & added advertising value, additional sponsor opportunities as well as the championship game revenue itself.

Of course the big issue for Memphis is being selected - and I don't think the BXII taking 4 schools actually helps Memphis anymore than taking 2 teams. If Cincy is one school, it's either UConn or Memphis - or the FL schools (UCF & USF) coming totally from the east. If BXII wants BYU then its BYU & CSU as the west 2 & 2 of the 4 from the east. IF TX politics are in play then UH might edge out one of the other schools, likely one of the east possibilities (Cincy, Memphis, UConn, UCF, USF)...JMO. Fingers crossed.

IMO, there is going to be at least one school to help partner with West Va. That most likely means Cincy. To me, they are a LOCK. The other slot is up for grabs. One slot for six possible schools. Not good odds for anyone.

(06-02-2016 09:45 AM)tigerlands Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 09:37 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 09:11 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 09:03 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

Quote:But that does not address the original question. How does adding a UC, Memphis, Houston, or UCF add $500 million to the value of any contract?

inventory. If they add 4, that is 16 extra games a year (plus the home non conference games they get rights to) plus a championship game. Multiply that by however many years the contract is for.

Maybe so. But the $500 million was for 2 teams, $1 billion was for 4.

Hoping for the best, prepared for the worst.

From recent articles, it appears the $1B is for adding 4 schools & includes a combination of larger TV inventory & larger TV market coupled with BXII network & championship game - and this due to added subscription revenue & added advertising value, additional sponsor opportunities as well as the championship game revenue itself.

Of course the big issue for Memphis is being selected - and I don't think the BXII taking 4 schools actually helps Memphis anymore than taking 2 teams. If Cincy is one school, it's either UConn or Memphis - or the FL schools (UCF & USF) coming totally from the east. If BXII wants BYU then its BYU & CSU as the west 2 & 2 of the 4 from the east. IF TX politics are in play then UH might edge out one of the other schools, likely one of the east possibilities (Cincy, Memphis, UConn, UCF, USF)...JMO. Fingers crossed.

IMO, there is going to be at least one school to help partner with West Va. That most likely means Cincy. To me, they are a LOCK. The other slot is up for grabs. One slot for six possible schools. Not good odds for anyone.

Well, geographically, we are the best fit. With regard to the other criteria, we have some positives and some negatives. Hopefully, FedEx support will push us over the top. Are Autozone and Intl Paper on board?

The way I read this the league gets more money which it then turns around and gives to the new members. The old members keep getting their same share. The idiots against expansion aren't going to be moved by this.

FED EX

Boren and Bowlsby talked about this literally a year ago. This isn't new news.

http://sportsday.dallasnews.com/college-...nsion-math

I just don't think BYU will happen. What is working against them right now is they have a similar situation going on as occurred with Baylor. BYU found reasons to kick the women out of school when they raised sexual assault charges. Add to this is BYU has their own network so is B12 going to allow a school to have it's own network or deal with another mess like Longhorn network? I think this forces them to stick going east and if that happens think who will partner with who. We have to assume Cinncy is the first choice do to proximity to West Virginia. Who will be team 12 and if they go to 14 be team 13 and 14?

The biggest issue with Uconn and Florida schools is who is actually close to them to be a partner? None of existing schools so the travel expenses of a travel partner to one of those schools becomes a big deal and I'm talking about the non-revenue producing sports. Memphis and Houston are both driving distance so I think it comes down to either Houston or Memphis for spot 12.

(06-02-2016 10:09 AM)TigerRob Wrote:  I just don't think BYU will happen. What is working against them right now is they have a similar situation going on as occurred with Baylor. BYU found reasons to kick the women out of school when they raised sexual assault charges. Add to this is BYU has their own network so is B12 going to allow a school to have it's own network or deal with another mess like Longhorn network? I think this forces them to stick going east and if that happens think who will partner with who. We have to assume Cinncy is the first choice do to proximity to West Virginia. Who will be team 12 and if they go to 14 be team 13 and 14?

The biggest issue with Uconn and Florida schools is who is actually close to them to be a partner? None of existing schools so the travel expenses of a travel partner to one of those schools becomes a big deal and I'm talking about the non-revenue producing sports. Memphis and Houston are both driving distance so I think it comes down to either Houston or Memphis for spot 12.

From everything I've seen and heard IF expansion does happen it will be Cincy and either Uconn/Memphis, I think everyone else is out of the picture at this point. Maybe UH if they pull some BS political voodoo but I can't see the non-Texas schools going for that

New teams do not get a full share right away . Ask Nebraska


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4 teams means a lot of $$ for old teams until new teams get a full cut


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(06-02-2016 10:20 AM)TwoTimeTiger Wrote:  4 teams means a lot of $$ for old teams until new teams get a full cut


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all four new teams would have to take substantially less for several years. might be worth it.....unless TX and OK leave.

(06-02-2016 08:27 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  Like I've said, expansion is 100% going to happen. This was never in question, the only question is how soon, who are the expansion teams and do OU and UT stick around.

yep...in around 2024ish

(06-02-2016 10:22 AM)EdmondTiger Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 10:20 AM)TwoTimeTiger Wrote:  4 teams means a lot of $$ for old teams until new teams get a full cut


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all four new teams would have to take substantially less for several years. might be worth it.....

Still would be worth it.

(06-02-2016 10:14 AM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 10:09 AM)TigerRob Wrote:  I just don't think BYU will happen. What is working against them right now is they have a similar situation going on as occurred with Baylor. BYU found reasons to kick the women out of school when they raised sexual assault charges. Add to this is BYU has their own network so is B12 going to allow a school to have it's own network or deal with another mess like Longhorn network? I think this forces them to stick going east and if that happens think who will partner with who. We have to assume Cinncy is the first choice do to proximity to West Virginia. Who will be team 12 and if they go to 14 be team 13 and 14?

The biggest issue with Uconn and Florida schools is who is actually close to them to be a partner? None of existing schools so the travel expenses of a travel partner to one of those schools becomes a big deal and I'm talking about the non-revenue producing sports. Memphis and Houston are both driving distance so I think it comes down to either Houston or Memphis for spot 12.

From everything I've seen and heard IF expansion does happen it will be Cincy and either Uconn/Memphis, I think everyone else is out of the picture at this point. Maybe UH if they pull some BS political voodoo but I can't see the non-Texas schools going for that

So, who is the primary TV force - Fox or ESPN? I would think that ESPN would be pushing for UCONN.

(06-02-2016 10:26 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 08:27 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  Like I've said, expansion is 100% going to happen. This was never in question, the only question is how soon, who are the expansion teams and do OU and UT stick around.

yep...in around 2024ish

I'd ask to bet you something but you have nothing of any import to me.

(06-02-2016 10:28 AM)hsvtiger Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 10:14 AM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 10:09 AM)TigerRob Wrote:  I just don't think BYU will happen. What is working against them right now is they have a similar situation going on as occurred with Baylor. BYU found reasons to kick the women out of school when they raised sexual assault charges. Add to this is BYU has their own network so is B12 going to allow a school to have it's own network or deal with another mess like Longhorn network? I think this forces them to stick going east and if that happens think who will partner with who. We have to assume Cinncy is the first choice do to proximity to West Virginia. Who will be team 12 and if they go to 14 be team 13 and 14?

The biggest issue with Uconn and Florida schools is who is actually close to them to be a partner? None of existing schools so the travel expenses of a travel partner to one of those schools becomes a big deal and I'm talking about the non-revenue producing sports. Memphis and Houston are both driving distance so I think it comes down to either Houston or Memphis for spot 12.

From everything I've seen and heard IF expansion does happen it will be Cincy and either Uconn/Memphis, I think everyone else is out of the picture at this point. Maybe UH if they pull some BS political voodoo but I can't see the non-Texas schools going for that

So, who is the primary TV force - Fox or ESPN? I would think that ESPN would be pushing for UCONN.

Why on earth would they be pushing for UCONN?

(06-02-2016 10:30 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 10:26 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 08:27 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  Like I've said, expansion is 100% going to happen. This was never in question, the only question is how soon, who are the expansion teams and do OU and UT stick around.

yep...in around 2024ish

I'd ask to bet you something but you have nothing of any import to me.

gambling is for fools...if I need something, I'll work for it.

(06-02-2016 10:30 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 10:28 AM)hsvtiger Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 10:14 AM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 10:09 AM)TigerRob Wrote:  I just don't think BYU will happen. What is working against them right now is they have a similar situation going on as occurred with Baylor. BYU found reasons to kick the women out of school when they raised sexual assault charges. Add to this is BYU has their own network so is B12 going to allow a school to have it's own network or deal with another mess like Longhorn network? I think this forces them to stick going east and if that happens think who will partner with who. We have to assume Cinncy is the first choice do to proximity to West Virginia. Who will be team 12 and if they go to 14 be team 13 and 14?

The biggest issue with Uconn and Florida schools is who is actually close to them to be a partner? None of existing schools so the travel expenses of a travel partner to one of those schools becomes a big deal and I'm talking about the non-revenue producing sports. Memphis and Houston are both driving distance so I think it comes down to either Houston or Memphis for spot 12.

From everything I've seen and heard IF expansion does happen it will be Cincy and either Uconn/Memphis, I think everyone else is out of the picture at this point. Maybe UH if they pull some BS political voodoo but I can't see the non-Texas schools going for that

So, who is the primary TV force - Fox or ESPN? I would think that ESPN would be pushing for UCONN.

Why on earth would they be pushing for UCONN?

Becuz they are based in Connecticut. They MADE UConn. UConn was NOTHING athletically before ESPN and the Big East. Who knows, the State of Conn might provide ESPN with tax incentives if UConn gets in.