(06-08-2016 10:30 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(06-05-2016 11:58 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  For whatever reason Buffalo doesn't seem like it can build the depth of the top MAC programs to sustain the winning from year to year.

Give it time... 10 years ago UB was a 1-3 win team every year. Now were at 5 every year as the program builds. If we ever build our damn field house I suspect we will start to be a team that wins 6+ games most years.

All progress is good progress, but is 6 games a season the goal? That's about CMU level and they arent winning titles. Heck OU is a 7 win a year type team and they arent winning titles. Go further and Toledo is winning 9 a season and cant get past NIU who has been winning 10 or 11 per season.

(06-08-2016 01:30 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(06-08-2016 10:30 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(06-05-2016 11:58 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  For whatever reason Buffalo doesn't seem like it can build the depth of the top MAC programs to sustain the winning from year to year.

Give it time... 10 years ago UB was a 1-3 win team every year. Now were at 5 every year as the program builds. If we ever build our damn field house I suspect we will start to be a team that wins 6+ games most years.

All progress is good progress, but is 6 games a season the goal? That's about CMU level and they arent winning titles. Heck OU is a 7 win a year type team and they arent winning titles. Go further and Toledo is winning 9 a season and cant get past NIU who has been winning 10 or 11 per season.

of course it's not the goal it's a goal along the way.

UB has won a MAC football championship more recently than anyone but CMU, Miami, NIU, or BGSU

(06-08-2016 03:11 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(06-08-2016 01:30 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(06-08-2016 10:30 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(06-05-2016 11:58 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  For whatever reason Buffalo doesn't seem like it can build the depth of the top MAC programs to sustain the winning from year to year.

Give it time... 10 years ago UB was a 1-3 win team every year. Now were at 5 every year as the program builds. If we ever build our damn field house I suspect we will start to be a team that wins 6+ games most years.

All progress is good progress, but is 6 games a season the goal? That's about CMU level and they arent winning titles. Heck OU is a 7 win a year type team and they arent winning titles. Go further and Toledo is winning 9 a season and cant get past NIU who has been winning 10 or 11 per season.

of course it's not the goal it's a goal along the way.

UB has won a MAC football championship more recently than anyone but CMU, Miami, NIU, or BGSU

Yeah that's true, but championships can be fools gold if you ask me.

If you have one 8-win team in 10 years then you can celebrate a championship. Great and all... On the other hand, one can miss a title being in a superior division, enjoy top 25 success, and a myriad of bowl wins? I'll take the latter.

I'm not trying to be an A-hole. I'm just saying championships don't always mean that much of a programs success. No one would call NIU, then BG, then Miami, then CMU, then UB the best 5 teams in order in the past decade.

(06-09-2016 12:15 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(06-08-2016 03:11 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(06-08-2016 01:30 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(06-08-2016 10:30 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(06-05-2016 11:58 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  For whatever reason Buffalo doesn't seem like it can build the depth of the top MAC programs to sustain the winning from year to year.

Give it time... 10 years ago UB was a 1-3 win team every year. Now were at 5 every year as the program builds. If we ever build our damn field house I suspect we will start to be a team that wins 6+ games most years.

All progress is good progress, but is 6 games a season the goal? That's about CMU level and they arent winning titles. Heck OU is a 7 win a year type team and they arent winning titles. Go further and Toledo is winning 9 a season and cant get past NIU who has been winning 10 or 11 per season.

of course it's not the goal it's a goal along the way.

UB has won a MAC football championship more recently than anyone but CMU, Miami, NIU, or BGSU

Yeah that's true, but championships can be fools gold if you ask me.

If you have one 8-win team in 10 years then you can celebrate a championship. Great and all... On the other hand, one can miss a title being in a superior division, enjoy top 25 success, and a myriad of bowl wins? I'll take the latter.

I'm not trying to be an A-hole. I'm just saying championships don't always mean that much of a programs success. No one would call NIU, then BG, then Miami, then CMU, then UB the best 5 teams in order in the past decade.

(06-09-2016 09:23 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-09-2016 12:15 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Yeah that's true, but championships can be fools gold if you ask me.

If you have one 8-win team in 10 years then you can celebrate a championship. Great and all... On the other hand, one can miss a title being in a superior division, enjoy top 25 success, and a myriad of bowl wins? I'll take the latter.

I'm not trying to be an A-hole. I'm just saying championships don't always mean that much of a programs success. No one would call NIU, then BG, then Miami, then CMU, then UB the best 5 teams in order in the past decade.

(06-09-2016 12:48 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(06-09-2016 09:23 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-09-2016 12:15 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Yeah that's true, but championships can be fools gold if you ask me.

If you have one 8-win team in 10 years then you can celebrate a championship. Great and all... On the other hand, one can miss a title being in a superior division, enjoy top 25 success, and a myriad of bowl wins? I'll take the latter.

I'm not trying to be an A-hole. I'm just saying championships don't always mean that much of a programs success. No one would call NIU, then BG, then Miami, then CMU, then UB the best 5 teams in order in the past decade.

(06-09-2016 12:15 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(06-08-2016 03:11 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(06-08-2016 01:30 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(06-08-2016 10:30 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(06-05-2016 11:58 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  For whatever reason Buffalo doesn't seem like it can build the depth of the top MAC programs to sustain the winning from year to year.

Give it time... 10 years ago UB was a 1-3 win team every year. Now were at 5 every year as the program builds. If we ever build our damn field house I suspect we will start to be a team that wins 6+ games most years.

All progress is good progress, but is 6 games a season the goal? That's about CMU level and they arent winning titles. Heck OU is a 7 win a year type team and they arent winning titles. Go further and Toledo is winning 9 a season and cant get past NIU who has been winning 10 or 11 per season.

of course it's not the goal it's a goal along the way.

UB has won a MAC football championship more recently than anyone but CMU, Miami, NIU, or BGSU

Yeah that's true, but championships can be fools gold if you ask me.

Says the guy whose response to me talked about winning 6/7/8 games as being less because of no championships.

Quote:If you have one 8-win team in 10 years then you can celebrate a championship. Great and all... On the other hand, one can miss a title being in a superior division, enjoy top 25 success, and a myriad of bowl wins? I'll take the latter.

Says the guy whose response to me talked about winning 6/7/8 games as being less because of no championships.

Quote:I'm not trying to be an A-hole. I'm just saying championships don't always mean that much of a programs success. No one would call NIU, then BG, then Miami, then CMU, then UB the best 5 teams in order in the past decade.

Says the guy whose response to me talked about winning 6/7/8 games as being less because of no championships.

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Look I said 6+ wins a year was not the end goal, it was a step along the way. And considering we were not FBS 20 years ago and not even really trying until 2006 I'm ok with growing the program up slowly and steadily.

I think Jeff Quinn set us back 5 years off where we should have been.

Quinn didn't really set you back, he just kinda kept you in a holding pattern of mediocrity. Big difference between that and someone like Treadwell, who literally has set us back five-plus years

Well, for one... A championship is the goal for Toledo fans, because it means you won the conference. BUT... The best two teams in the conference don't always attend the game! We have been 7-1 or 6-2 holding tie breakers over the east champ a bunch of times. In the current format though, we are left out.

2010- 7-1. Not sure what Miami's record was and if we go based on tie breaker.
2011- 7-1. We go over Ohio.
2012- 6-2. Ball state goes over us and OU.
2013- 5-3. BG actually deserves the spot.
2014- 7-1. We go over BG.
2015- 6-2. Bunch of teams knotted at 6-2.

If we are going to play in the better division and crap the bed once a year against NIU... Id rather have our records in the conference than anyone elses. It doesn't mean we aren't successful. We are still winning 9/10 games a year!

If I had the choice of our recent success vs. losing to BG 6 straight times, but being in an inferior division and racking up appearances and losing bowl games. I TAKE WHAT WE HAVE! Bowl games bring in cash. Beating Arkansas was fun! Winning the battle of I-75 is fun.

(06-10-2016 08:03 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  Quinn didn't really set you back, he just kinda kept you in a holding pattern of mediocrity. Big difference between that and someone like Treadwell, who literally has set us back five-plus years

Sounds like what Ricardo Patton did to our basketball program.

(06-10-2016 10:06 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Well, for one... A championship is the goal for Toledo fans, because it means you won the conference. BUT... The best two teams in the conference don't always attend the game! We have been 7-1 or 6-2 holding tie breakers over the east champ a bunch of times. In the current format though, we are left out.

2010- 7-1. Not sure what Miami's record was and if we go based on tie breaker.
2011- 7-1. We go over Ohio.
2012- 6-2. Ball state goes over us and OU.
2013- 5-3. BG actually deserves the spot.
2014- 7-1. We go over BG.
2015- 6-2. Bunch of teams knotted at 6-2.

If we are going to play in the better division and crap the bed once a year against NIU... Id rather have our records in the conference than anyone elses. It doesn't mean we aren't successful. We are still winning 9/10 games a year!

If I had the choice of our recent success vs. losing to BG 6 straight times, but being in an inferior division and racking up appearances and losing bowl games. I TAKE WHAT WE HAVE! Bowl games bring in cash. Beating Arkansas was fun! Winning the battle of I-75 is fun.

How can you be both so defensive and offensive at the same time.

Someone says : "buffalo should give up on football"
I say : "Buffalo is getting better, a decade ago we were almost always the worst team in the MAC" We are on our way to being a team which usually has winning records
You: Start flaming...

Honestly are you this board?

Nobody took a shaq on Toledo and if I were buffalo I would certainly trade my past five years with them.

But since you seem intent on mild flaming... I'd not take Toledo's past five years over that of BG. I'd rather be the falcons with their multiple trips to Detroit and MAC championships than Toledo with "record" bragging rights.

Not only do they have football championships but when hoops starts up they don't play in the crappy MAC West...

Oh and FTR -
Last ten MAC Football Champions - East 4 - West 6
Last ten MAC Hoops Champions - East 9 - West 1

While the west usually has one or two stronger football teams than anyone in the east clearly over all the east has better balanced athletics departments.

(06-10-2016 12:06 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(06-10-2016 10:06 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Well, for one... A championship is the goal for Toledo fans, because it means you won the conference. BUT... The best two teams in the conference don't always attend the game! We have been 7-1 or 6-2 holding tie breakers over the east champ a bunch of times. In the current format though, we are left out.

2010- 7-1. Not sure what Miami's record was and if we go based on tie breaker.
2011- 7-1. We go over Ohio.
2012- 6-2. Ball state goes over us and OU.
2013- 5-3. BG actually deserves the spot.
2014- 7-1. We go over BG.
2015- 6-2. Bunch of teams knotted at 6-2.

If we are going to play in the better division and crap the bed once a year against NIU... Id rather have our records in the conference than anyone elses. It doesn't mean we aren't successful. We are still winning 9/10 games a year!

If I had the choice of our recent success vs. losing to BG 6 straight times, but being in an inferior division and racking up appearances and losing bowl games. I TAKE WHAT WE HAVE! Bowl games bring in cash. Beating Arkansas was fun! Winning the battle of I-75 is fun.

How can you be both so defensive and offensive at the same time.

Someone says : "buffalo should give up on football"
I say : "Buffalo is getting better, a decade ago we were almost always the worst team in the MAC" We are on our way to being a team which usually has winning records
You: Start flaming...

Honestly are you this board?

Nobody took a shaq on Toledo and if I were buffalo I would certainly trade my past five years with them.

But since you seem intent on mild flaming... I'd not take Toledo's past five years over that of BG. I'd rather be the falcons with their multiple trips to Detroit and MAC championships than Toledo with "record" bragging rights.

Not only do they have football championships but when hoops starts up they don't play in the crappy MAC West...

Oh and FTR -
Last ten MAC Football Champions - East 4 - West 6
Last ten MAC Hoops Champions - East 9 - West 1

While the west usually has one or two stronger football teams than anyone in the east clearly over all the east has better balanced athletics departments.

Im not saying give up on football lol? I thought the first statement was that you want to get to 6 wins per year. Which wouldnt give you titles, nor respect really. Sure it's on the way up, but you can pass the 6 win per season mark in the East easily. Teams can easily go from bottom dwellers to top of the league in 2 years. PJ did it at WMU.

You wouldn't take BG if you knew what it was like to have a true rival and comparing the two teams, one beats the rival every season and has annual higher win totals, and one wins bowl games, and one doesn't have ugly jerseys, and one doesn't play in a poopy environment for home games.

And basketball? What? Of course the east is better than the west! I would never ever ever say anything about those divisions being close. But the East vs West challenge has been won by the West more than one time in the last 10 years. Someone has kept a thread on that recently.

Also basketball is a tourney format where the best teams can get to the finals every year. In football you automatically give one team from the East a shot. "In one game, anything can happen." Isn't a saying for nothing. UB beating BSU... Case in point. BSU was the best team in the conference that year. Not even you would deny that. In 2014, BG was 0-4 vs the west and still had a shot in Detroit.

(06-10-2016 10:06 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Well, for one... A championship is the goal for Toledo fans, because it means you won the conference. BUT... The best two teams in the conference don't always attend the game! We have been 7-1 or 6-2 holding tie breakers over the east champ a bunch of times. In the current format though, we are left out.

2010- 7-1. Not sure what Miami's record was and if we go based on tie breaker.
2011- 7-1. We go over Ohio.
2012- 6-2. Ball state goes over us and OU.
2013- 5-3. BG actually deserves the spot.
2014- 7-1. We go over BG.
2015- 6-2. Bunch of teams knotted at 6-2.

If we are going to play in the better division and crap the bed once a year against NIU... Id rather have our records in the conference than anyone elses. It doesn't mean we aren't successful. We are still winning 9/10 games a year!

If I had the choice of our recent success vs. losing to BG 6 straight times, but being in an inferior division and racking up appearances and losing bowl games. I TAKE WHAT WE HAVE! Bowl games bring in cash. Beating Arkansas was fun! Winning the battle of I-75 is fun.

Okay.

(06-10-2016 12:32 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(06-10-2016 12:06 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(06-10-2016 10:06 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Well, for one... A championship is the goal for Toledo fans, because it means you won the conference. BUT... The best two teams in the conference don't always attend the game! We have been 7-1 or 6-2 holding tie breakers over the east champ a bunch of times. In the current format though, we are left out.

2010- 7-1. Not sure what Miami's record was and if we go based on tie breaker.
2011- 7-1. We go over Ohio.
2012- 6-2. Ball state goes over us and OU.
2013- 5-3. BG actually deserves the spot.
2014- 7-1. We go over BG.
2015- 6-2. Bunch of teams knotted at 6-2.

If we are going to play in the better division and crap the bed once a year against NIU... Id rather have our records in the conference than anyone elses. It doesn't mean we aren't successful. We are still winning 9/10 games a year!

If I had the choice of our recent success vs. losing to BG 6 straight times, but being in an inferior division and racking up appearances and losing bowl games. I TAKE WHAT WE HAVE! Bowl games bring in cash. Beating Arkansas was fun! Winning the battle of I-75 is fun.

How can you be both so defensive and offensive at the same time.

Someone says : "buffalo should give up on football"
I say : "Buffalo is getting better, a decade ago we were almost always the worst team in the MAC" We are on our way to being a team which usually has winning records
You: Start flaming...

Honestly are you this board?

Nobody took a shaq on Toledo and if I were buffalo I would certainly trade my past five years with them.

But since you seem intent on mild flaming... I'd not take Toledo's past five years over that of BG. I'd rather be the falcons with their multiple trips to Detroit and MAC championships than Toledo with "record" bragging rights.

Not only do they have football championships but when hoops starts up they don't play in the crappy MAC West...

Oh and FTR -
Last ten MAC Football Champions - East 4 - West 6
Last ten MAC Hoops Champions - East 9 - West 1

While the west usually has one or two stronger football teams than anyone in the east clearly over all the east has better balanced athletics departments.

Im not saying give up on football lol? I thought the first statement was that you want to get to 6 wins per year. Which wouldnt give you titles, nor respect really. Sure it's on the way up, but you can pass the 6 win per season mark in the East easily. Teams can easily go from bottom dwellers to top of the league in 2 years. PJ did it at WMU.

You wouldn't take BG if you knew what it was like to have a true rival and comparing the two teams, one beats the rival every season and has annual higher win totals, and one wins bowl games, and one doesn't have ugly jerseys, and one doesn't play in a poopy environment for home games.

And basketball? What? Of course the east is better than the west! I would never ever ever say anything about those divisions being close. But the East vs West challenge has been won by the West more than one time in the last 10 years. Someone has kept a thread on that recently.

Also basketball is a tourney format where the best teams can get to the finals every year. In football you automatically give one team from the East a shot. "In one game, anything can happen." Isn't a saying for nothing. UB beating BSU... Case in point. BSU was the best team in the conference that year. Not even you would deny that. In 2014, BG was 0-4 vs the west and still had a shot in Detroit.

0-3. The fourth loss was vs. NIU in Detroit.

(06-10-2016 12:32 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(06-10-2016 12:06 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(06-10-2016 10:06 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Well, for one... A championship is the goal for Toledo fans, because it means you won the conference. BUT... The best two teams in the conference don't always attend the game! We have been 7-1 or 6-2 holding tie breakers over the east champ a bunch of times. In the current format though, we are left out.

2010- 7-1. Not sure what Miami's record was and if we go based on tie breaker.
2011- 7-1. We go over Ohio.
2012- 6-2. Ball state goes over us and OU.
2013- 5-3. BG actually deserves the spot.
2014- 7-1. We go over BG.
2015- 6-2. Bunch of teams knotted at 6-2.

If we are going to play in the better division and crap the bed once a year against NIU... Id rather have our records in the conference than anyone elses. It doesn't mean we aren't successful. We are still winning 9/10 games a year!

If I had the choice of our recent success vs. losing to BG 6 straight times, but being in an inferior division and racking up appearances and losing bowl games. I TAKE WHAT WE HAVE! Bowl games bring in cash. Beating Arkansas was fun! Winning the battle of I-75 is fun.

How can you be both so defensive and offensive at the same time.

Someone says : "buffalo should give up on football"
I say : "Buffalo is getting better, a decade ago we were almost always the worst team in the MAC" We are on our way to being a team which usually has winning records
You: Start flaming...

Honestly are you this board?

Nobody took a shaq on Toledo and if I were buffalo I would certainly trade my past five years with them.

But since you seem intent on mild flaming... I'd not take Toledo's past five years over that of BG. I'd rather be the falcons with their multiple trips to Detroit and MAC championships than Toledo with "record" bragging rights.

Not only do they have football championships but when hoops starts up they don't play in the crappy MAC West...

Oh and FTR -
Last ten MAC Football Champions - East 4 - West 6
Last ten MAC Hoops Champions - East 9 - West 1

While the west usually has one or two stronger football teams than anyone in the east clearly over all the east has better balanced athletics departments.

Im not saying give up on football lol? I thought the first statement was that you want to get to 6 wins per year. Which wouldnt give you titles, nor respect really. Sure it's on the way up, but you can pass the 6 win per season mark in the East easily. Teams can easily go from bottom dwellers to top of the league in 2 years. PJ did it at WMU.

You wouldn't take BG if you knew what it was like to have a true rival and comparing the two teams, one beats the rival every season and has annual higher win totals, and one wins bowl games, and one doesn't have ugly jerseys, and one doesn't play in a poopy environment for home games.

And basketball? What? Of course the east is better than the west! I would never ever ever say anything about those divisions being close. But the East vs West challenge has been won by the West more than one time in the last 10 years. Someone has kept a thread on that recently.

Also basketball is a tourney format where the best teams can get to the finals every year. In football you automatically give one team from the East a shot. "In one game, anything can happen." Isn't a saying for nothing. UB beating BSU... Case in point. BSU was the best team in the conference that year. Not even you would deny that. In 2014, BG was 0-4 vs the west and still had a shot in Detroit.

I understand what Bull is saying though - when you've been getting 1-3 wins, 6 wins is a milestone. It doesn't mean you're content to continue settling for that though. The next goal will be higher obviously.

(06-10-2016 12:44 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-10-2016 12:32 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(06-10-2016 12:06 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(06-10-2016 10:06 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Well, for one... A championship is the goal for Toledo fans, because it means you won the conference. BUT... The best two teams in the conference don't always attend the game! We have been 7-1 or 6-2 holding tie breakers over the east champ a bunch of times. In the current format though, we are left out.

2010- 7-1. Not sure what Miami's record was and if we go based on tie breaker.
2011- 7-1. We go over Ohio.
2012- 6-2. Ball state goes over us and OU.
2013- 5-3. BG actually deserves the spot.
2014- 7-1. We go over BG.
2015- 6-2. Bunch of teams knotted at 6-2.

If we are going to play in the better division and crap the bed once a year against NIU... Id rather have our records in the conference than anyone elses. It doesn't mean we aren't successful. We are still winning 9/10 games a year!

If I had the choice of our recent success vs. losing to BG 6 straight times, but being in an inferior division and racking up appearances and losing bowl games. I TAKE WHAT WE HAVE! Bowl games bring in cash. Beating Arkansas was fun! Winning the battle of I-75 is fun.

How can you be both so defensive and offensive at the same time.

Someone says : "buffalo should give up on football"
I say : "Buffalo is getting better, a decade ago we were almost always the worst team in the MAC" We are on our way to being a team which usually has winning records
You: Start flaming...

Honestly are you this board?

Nobody took a shaq on Toledo and if I were buffalo I would certainly trade my past five years with them.

But since you seem intent on mild flaming... I'd not take Toledo's past five years over that of BG. I'd rather be the falcons with their multiple trips to Detroit and MAC championships than Toledo with "record" bragging rights.

Not only do they have football championships but when hoops starts up they don't play in the crappy MAC West...

Oh and FTR -
Last ten MAC Football Champions - East 4 - West 6
Last ten MAC Hoops Champions - East 9 - West 1

While the west usually has one or two stronger football teams than anyone in the east clearly over all the east has better balanced athletics departments.

Im not saying give up on football lol? I thought the first statement was that you want to get to 6 wins per year. Which wouldnt give you titles, nor respect really. Sure it's on the way up, but you can pass the 6 win per season mark in the East easily. Teams can easily go from bottom dwellers to top of the league in 2 years. PJ did it at WMU.

You wouldn't take BG if you knew what it was like to have a true rival and comparing the two teams, one beats the rival every season and has annual higher win totals, and one wins bowl games, and one doesn't have ugly jerseys, and one doesn't play in a poopy environment for home games.

And basketball? What? Of course the east is better than the west! I would never ever ever say anything about those divisions being close. But the East vs West challenge has been won by the West more than one time in the last 10 years. Someone has kept a thread on that recently.

Also basketball is a tourney format where the best teams can get to the finals every year. In football you automatically give one team from the East a shot. "In one game, anything can happen." Isn't a saying for nothing. UB beating BSU... Case in point. BSU was the best team in the conference that year. Not even you would deny that. In 2014, BG was 0-4 vs the west and still had a shot in Detroit.

0-3. The fourth loss was vs. NIU in Detroit.

Whatever, 0-4 after you proved not to be worthy. Considering BG lost to Ball State, CMU won every crossover and would have beaten BG too. The Falcons would have been in 2nd to last in the West in front of EMU.
Toledo is 17-1 against the east since 2010. I'm sure CMU, BSU, and NIU have similar records.

(06-10-2016 01:24 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(06-10-2016 12:44 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-10-2016 12:32 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(06-10-2016 12:06 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(06-10-2016 10:06 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Well, for one... A championship is the goal for Toledo fans, because it means you won the conference. BUT... The best two teams in the conference don't always attend the game! We have been 7-1 or 6-2 holding tie breakers over the east champ a bunch of times. In the current format though, we are left out.

2010- 7-1. Not sure what Miami's record was and if we go based on tie breaker.
2011- 7-1. We go over Ohio.
2012- 6-2. Ball state goes over us and OU.
2013- 5-3. BG actually deserves the spot.
2014- 7-1. We go over BG.
2015- 6-2. Bunch of teams knotted at 6-2.

If we are going to play in the better division and crap the bed once a year against NIU... Id rather have our records in the conference than anyone elses. It doesn't mean we aren't successful. We are still winning 9/10 games a year!

If I had the choice of our recent success vs. losing to BG 6 straight times, but being in an inferior division and racking up appearances and losing bowl games. I TAKE WHAT WE HAVE! Bowl games bring in cash. Beating Arkansas was fun! Winning the battle of I-75 is fun.

How can you be both so defensive and offensive at the same time.

Someone says : "buffalo should give up on football"
I say : "Buffalo is getting better, a decade ago we were almost always the worst team in the MAC" We are on our way to being a team which usually has winning records
You: Start flaming...

Honestly are you this board?

Nobody took a shaq on Toledo and if I were buffalo I would certainly trade my past five years with them.

But since you seem intent on mild flaming... I'd not take Toledo's past five years over that of BG. I'd rather be the falcons with their multiple trips to Detroit and MAC championships than Toledo with "record" bragging rights.

Not only do they have football championships but when hoops starts up they don't play in the crappy MAC West...

Oh and FTR -
Last ten MAC Football Champions - East 4 - West 6
Last ten MAC Hoops Champions - East 9 - West 1

While the west usually has one or two stronger football teams than anyone in the east clearly over all the east has better balanced athletics departments.

Im not saying give up on football lol? I thought the first statement was that you want to get to 6 wins per year. Which wouldnt give you titles, nor respect really. Sure it's on the way up, but you can pass the 6 win per season mark in the East easily. Teams can easily go from bottom dwellers to top of the league in 2 years. PJ did it at WMU.

You wouldn't take BG if you knew what it was like to have a true rival and comparing the two teams, one beats the rival every season and has annual higher win totals, and one wins bowl games, and one doesn't have ugly jerseys, and one doesn't play in a poopy environment for home games.

And basketball? What? Of course the east is better than the west! I would never ever ever say anything about those divisions being close. But the East vs West challenge has been won by the West more than one time in the last 10 years. Someone has kept a thread on that recently.

Also basketball is a tourney format where the best teams can get to the finals every year. In football you automatically give one team from the East a shot. "In one game, anything can happen." Isn't a saying for nothing. UB beating BSU... Case in point. BSU was the best team in the conference that year. Not even you would deny that. In 2014, BG was 0-4 vs the west and still had a shot in Detroit.

0-3. The fourth loss was vs. NIU in Detroit.

Whatever, 0-4 after you proved not to be worthy. Considering BG lost to Ball State, CMU won every crossover and would have beaten BG too. The Falcons would have been in 2nd to last in the West in front of EMU.
Toledo is 17-1 against the east since 2010. I'm sure CMU, BSU, and NIU have similar records.

On behalf of your defending MAC football champions, BGSU, I say a hearty Congratulations!

(06-10-2016 12:32 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Im not saying give up on football lol? I thought the first statement was that you want to get to 6 wins per year. Which wouldnt give you titles, nor respect really. Sure it's on the way up, but you can pass the 6 win per season mark in the East easily. Teams can easily go from bottom dwellers to top of the league in 2 years. PJ did it at WMU.

To compare what WMU was before PJ to what Buffalo was in 2005 is freaking ridiculous. 5 of the 8 seasons he was at WMU they had winning records, three of those years he went to bowls, and three of those seasons they ad 7+ wins.

They have a history, facilities, are in a better recruiting area. UB was DIII until the early 90's, DIA until 1999, and never started even trying at football until 2006.

Let's see: Top ranked MAC team, wins over the #18 and #24 ranked teams, beatdown of traditional rival, solid Bowl win, #25 in Final CBS Poll, 28th most votes in Final Coaches Poll or MAC Championship, beatdown by hated rival, and embarrassing Bowl loss?

I really don't care about this argument, but CBS does not host a college football poll. There's the AP poll and the Coaches poll and neither one of them are CBS. Are you talking about some writer's website ranking? That's really not "being ranked." Dozens of websites do this, but I think most people would agree that if you aren't ranked in the AP or Coaches poll, you aren't ranked.

Carry on.