The world can only hope.

(05-24-2016 06:47 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(05-24-2016 03:44 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  True, Atheism doesn't imply participating in any movement. But then again if there are Atheist conferences, maybe there is an "Atheist Movement?"

Nor would it preclude it... Just not a theistic movement

Depends on how you define "theism". If God is a set of ideals and values that one worships and strives for, atheism as an organized movement is indeed theist, whether they call it a "god" or not. The word "god" is derived from "good" and is in essence the greatest "good". In Christianity, Christ himself defines the qualities and philosophical underpinnings of what is good and Christ himself is the example of the greatest good or god. The only thing different about organized atheism is there is no human epitome or entity defining it, but they still are defining the qualities and philosophical underpinnings of what is good, and thus could be argued is a theist religion.

(05-25-2016 07:25 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(05-24-2016 06:47 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(05-24-2016 03:44 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  True, Atheism doesn't imply participating in any movement. But then again if there are Atheist conferences, maybe there is an "Atheist Movement?"

Nor would it preclude it... Just not a theistic movement

Depends on how you define "theism". If God is a set of ideals and values that one worships and strives for, atheism as an organized movement is indeed theist, whether they call it a "god" or not.

Definition from Miriam Webster

Full Definition of theism
: belief in the existence of a god or gods; specifically : belief in the existence of one God viewed as the creative source of the human race and the world who transcends yet is immanent in the world

This idea that some sell in which Atheist are immune to groups or movements is PR. They are no more/less susceptible to causes than the religious.

After all true atheism is "a lack in the belief of a God" not a "belief in the lack of God."

That's an important distinction. Someone who "Believes there is no God" is far closer to a theist than they would care to admit.

Quote:The word "god" is derived from "good" and is in essence the greatest "good".

I'm 90% sure you have that backwards. The English word good comes from the old English god. But when you consider English is basically a hodge-podge language you have to go to old Germanic to make any sense out of it..

The English word "god," which first appeared in Old English, based on the Indo-European root "ghut," which meant "called or invoked." It's also also possible that the root might have been "ghe" meaning "to offer a sacrifice"

Good has a totally different root. It sounds the same in English but comes from "gath" which mean "to bring together"

(05-25-2016 08:36 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 07:25 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(05-24-2016 06:47 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(05-24-2016 03:44 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  True, Atheism doesn't imply participating in any movement. But then again if there are Atheist conferences, maybe there is an "Atheist Movement?"

Nor would it preclude it... Just not a theistic movement

Depends on how you define "theism". If God is a set of ideals and values that one worships and strives for, atheism as an organized movement is indeed theist, whether they call it a "god" or not.

Definition from Miriam Webster

Full Definition of theism
: belief in the existence of a god or gods; specifically : belief in the existence of one God viewed as the creative source of the human race and the world who transcends yet is immanent in the world

This idea that some sell in which Atheist are immune to groups or movements is PR. They are no more/less susceptible to causes than the religious.

After all true atheism is "a lack in the belief of a God" not a "belief in the lack of God."

That's an important distinction. Someone who "Believes there is no God" is far closer to a theist than they would care to admit.

Quote:The word "god" is derived from "good" and is in essence the greatest "good".

I'm 90% sure you have that backwards. The English word good comes from the old English god. But when you consider English is basically a hodge-podge language you have to go to old Germanic to make any sense out of it..

The English word "god," which first appeared in Old English, based on the Indo-European root "ghut," which meant "called or invoked." It's also also possible that the root might have been "ghe" meaning "to offer a sacrifice"

Good has a totally different root. It sounds the same in English but comes from "gath" which mean "to bring together"

Yeah, I think I actually do have it backwards as well. But the same applies. If you can judge something as "good", you are acting as a theist in essence. Good is relative to a set of ideals and underlying philisophical principles. If you believe in good, you believe in god, even if it is your own personal pagan-like diety that does not have a defined entity. Morality has to come from somewhere.

(05-24-2016 10:32 AM)miko33 Wrote:  There is no atheism movement. I would classify this last conference as a SJW conference being held under the guise of an atheism conference. That's what is going on here. Don't get me wrong, there have been "atheist conferences" and there still are, but IMHO it's much more like a conference on numismatics or a conference for a professional organisation than anything else. The majority of people who are atheists aren't members of the Skeptics Society, a Humanist society or any other organization like that. That's why its a misnomer to think of there being an actual "atheist movement".

A lot of these groups aren't explicitly atheist, but they're close and people generally associate them with the non-religious.

I do understand that these people do not speak for all atheists and probably not even for a majority of atheists. I have always had the impression that a majority of atheists aren't jelly-brained cultural relativists.

Like I said, though, the problem here is bringing SJW crap into events for groups that are supposed to be about reason and objective evidence. In my opinion that completely undermines their message.

(05-25-2016 08:36 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 07:25 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(05-24-2016 06:47 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(05-24-2016 03:44 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  True, Atheism doesn't imply participating in any movement. But then again if there are Atheist conferences, maybe there is an "Atheist Movement?"

Nor would it preclude it... Just not a theistic movement

Depends on how you define "theism". If God is a set of ideals and values that one worships and strives for, atheism as an organized movement is indeed theist, whether they call it a "god" or not.

Definition from Miriam Webster

Full Definition of theism
: belief in the existence of a god or gods; specifically : belief in the existence of one God viewed as the creative source of the human race and the world who transcends yet is immanent in the world

This idea that some sell in which Atheist are immune to groups or movements is PR. They are no more/less susceptible to causes than the religious.

After all true atheism is "a lack in the belief of a God" not a "belief in the lack of God."

That's an important distinction. Someone who "Believes there is no God" is far closer to a theist than they would care to admit.

Quote:The word "god" is derived from "good" and is in essence the greatest "good".

I'm 90% sure you have that backwards. The English word good comes from the old English god. But when you consider English is basically a hodge-podge language you have to go to old Germanic to make any sense out of it..

The English word "god," which first appeared in Old English, based on the Indo-European root "ghut," which meant "called or invoked." It's also also possible that the root might have been "ghe" meaning "to offer a sacrifice"

Good has a totally different root. It sounds the same in English but comes from "gath" which mean "to bring together"

it's really simple....many like to muddy the works...

what most won't discuss is how that thought process can coexist....

people are just fk'n stupid and mislead as a collective....it's just dadgum funny to me discussing at this point...

(05-25-2016 08:57 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 08:36 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 07:25 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(05-24-2016 06:47 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(05-24-2016 03:44 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  True, Atheism doesn't imply participating in any movement. But then again if there are Atheist conferences, maybe there is an "Atheist Movement?"

Nor would it preclude it... Just not a theistic movement

Depends on how you define "theism". If God is a set of ideals and values that one worships and strives for, atheism as an organized movement is indeed theist, whether they call it a "god" or not.

Definition from Miriam Webster

Full Definition of theism
: belief in the existence of a god or gods; specifically : belief in the existence of one God viewed as the creative source of the human race and the world who transcends yet is immanent in the world

This idea that some sell in which Atheist are immune to groups or movements is PR. They are no more/less susceptible to causes than the religious.

After all true atheism is "a lack in the belief of a God" not a "belief in the lack of God."

That's an important distinction. Someone who "Believes there is no God" is far closer to a theist than they would care to admit.

Quote:The word "god" is derived from "good" and is in essence the greatest "good".

I'm 90% sure you have that backwards. The English word good comes from the old English god. But when you consider English is basically a hodge-podge language you have to go to old Germanic to make any sense out of it..

The English word "god," which first appeared in Old English, based on the Indo-European root "ghut," which meant "called or invoked." It's also also possible that the root might have been "ghe" meaning "to offer a sacrifice"

Good has a totally different root. It sounds the same in English but comes from "gath" which mean "to bring together"

Yeah, I think I actually do have it backwards as well. But the same applies. If you can judge something as "good", you are acting as a theist in essence. Good is relative to a set of ideals and underlying philisophical principles. If you believe in good, you believe in god, even if it is your own personal pagan-like diety that does not have a defined entity. Morality has to come from somewhere.

how about....hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...just for shites and gigs....

we are not all wired the same....

we are not collectively created in a perfect sense in ability or thought....

..............hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

it's a starting point, eh?

or is this a spelling bee thingy?????

(05-25-2016 07:10 AM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  The world can only hope.

man, we usually see eye-to-eye.....but, I have to ask....hope for what?

(05-25-2016 08:36 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 07:25 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(05-24-2016 06:47 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(05-24-2016 03:44 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  True, Atheism doesn't imply participating in any movement. But then again if there are Atheist conferences, maybe there is an "Atheist Movement?"

Nor would it preclude it... Just not a theistic movement

Depends on how you define "theism". If God is a set of ideals and values that one worships and strives for, atheism as an organized movement is indeed theist, whether they call it a "god" or not.

Definition from Miriam Webster

Full Definition of theism
: belief in the existence of a god or gods; specifically : belief in the existence of one God viewed as the creative source of the human race and the world who transcends yet is immanent in the world

This idea that some sell in which Atheist are immune to groups or movements is PR. They are no more/less susceptible to causes than the religious.

After all true atheism is "a lack in the belief of a God" not a "belief in the lack of God."

That's an important distinction. Someone who "Believes there is no God" is far closer to a theist than they would care to admit.

Quote:The word "god" is derived from "good" and is in essence the greatest "good".

I'm 90% sure you have that backwards. The English word good comes from the old English god. But when you consider English is basically a hodge-podge language you have to go to old Germanic to make any sense out of it..

The English word "god," which first appeared in Old English, based on the Indo-European root "ghut," which meant "called or invoked." It's also also possible that the root might have been "ghe" meaning "to offer a sacrifice"

Good has a totally different root. It sounds the same in English but comes from "gath" which mean "to bring together"

How does someone believing there is no god make them theist - i.e. believe in god? If one were to believe there was no god, while there was good evidence that a god existed, that would make one similar to a typical believer of a religion, rather than a rationalist. If you believe there is no god but admit that proving that is probably not possible (like proving any negative), that doesn't make one anything like a theist, who has to believe even in the absence of any evidence.

(05-25-2016 09:16 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(05-24-2016 10:32 AM)miko33 Wrote:  There is no atheism movement. I would classify this last conference as a SJW conference being held under the guise of an atheism conference. That's what is going on here. Don't get me wrong, there have been "atheist conferences" and there still are, but IMHO it's much more like a conference on numismatics or a conference for a professional organisation than anything else. The majority of people who are atheists aren't members of the Skeptics Society, a Humanist society or any other organization like that. That's why its a misnomer to think of there being an actual "atheist movement".

A lot of these groups aren't explicitly atheist, but they're close and people generally associate them with the non-religious.

I do understand that these people do not speak for all atheists and probably not even for a majority of atheists. I have always had the impression that a majority of atheists aren't jelly-brained cultural relativists.

Like I said, though, the problem here is bringing SJW crap into events for groups that are supposed to be about reason and objective evidence. In my opinion that completely undermines their message.

where it breaks down is "who" is "many"....

the true atheist doesn't give a fk....the rest are just mere fodder....

Who hasnt heard of Wu Tang Clan? Thats the only rap group that was worth a damn in the 90s.

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(05-25-2016 06:18 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  Who hasnt heard of Wu Tang Clan? Thats the only rap group that was worth a damn in the 90s.

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this is one of my faves...thank the good goodies for black comedians that can make fun of anything...."so long fried rice, hello fried chicken"

the asian delegartion has selected the wu tang clan..........."oh yeah, o' dirty has changed his name from dirk m'jerk to the ol' dirty chinese restaurant"

you gotta be high hangin' with a white guy to come with shite like that.....

(05-25-2016 05:35 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 08:36 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  After all true atheism is "a lack in the belief of a God" not a "belief in the lack of God."

That's an important distinction. Someone who "Believes there is no God" is far closer to a theist than they would care to admit.[/b]

How does someone believing there is no god make them theist

Who said it made them a Theist? I said it made them *closer than they would like to admit.

If you belief there is no God, at all, you have a belief that is not based on direct empirical evidence. Because you can't disprove God.

But if you simply lack belief in any God then it's because you lack faith and have not had it proven two you.

As I said, it's an important decision.

(05-25-2016 06:52 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 05:35 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 08:36 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  After all true atheism is "a lack in the belief of a God" not a "belief in the lack of God."

That's an important distinction. Someone who "Believes there is no God" is far closer to a theist than they would care to admit.[/b]

How does someone believing there is no god make them theist

How said it made them a Theist? I said it made them *closer than they would like to admit.

If you belief there is no God, at all, you have a belief that is not based on direct empirical evidence. Because you can't disprove God.

But if you simply lack belief in any God then it's because you lack faith and have not had it proven two you.

As I said, it's an important decision.

They do have faith though, else they would be agnostic.

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(05-25-2016 07:43 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 06:52 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 05:35 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 08:36 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  After all true atheism is "a lack in the belief of a God" not a "belief in the lack of God."

That's an important distinction. Someone who "Believes there is no God" is far closer to a theist than they would care to admit.[/b]

How does someone believing there is no god make them theist

How said it made them a Theist? I said it made them *closer than they would like to admit.

If you belief there is no God, at all, you have a belief that is not based on direct empirical evidence. Because you can't disprove God.

But if you simply lack belief in any God then it's because you lack faith and have not had it proven two you.

As I said, it's an important decision.

They do have faith though, else they would be agnostic.

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the only faith is behavior....the rest of the 'speak' is of a theist nurturing....

capiche?

it's really simple....

it's 'those' that chose to defer to make it not so simple....that's on the theists....

(05-25-2016 05:25 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 07:10 AM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  The world can only hope.

man, we usually see eye-to-eye.....but, I have to ask....hope for what?

We do but this is our major disagreement.

I simply don't view atheism as a good process for the world. That doesn't mean that all atheists are evil or unneeded but the belief of atheism doesn't help the world.

Atheism is expanding, unquestionably. That flavor of leftist political atheism? Maybe not so much.

I can tell you in my area the atheist groups are without political agenda though there are some lefty members who desire the agenda of the above. We pretty much adopt highways and give support to people are secretly atheist and worry about their family/friends reaction if they were to become publicly atheist. Etc.

(05-25-2016 08:36 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 05:25 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 07:10 AM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  The world can only hope.

man, we usually see eye-to-eye.....but, I have to ask....hope for what?

We do but this is our major disagreement.

I simply don't view atheism as a good process for the world. That doesn't mean that all atheists are evil or unneeded but the belief of atheism doesn't help the world.

as we understand human behavior today....

have you really thought seriously how it works out if religion is not part of the construct?

I doubt it....not a slam....take it deep, then get back to me in a pm if you really want to discuss....

I only toss bones here....

(05-25-2016 07:43 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 06:52 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 05:35 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 08:36 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  After all true atheism is "a lack in the belief of a God" not a "belief in the lack of God."

That's an important distinction. Someone who "Believes there is no God" is far closer to a theist than they would care to admit.[/b]

How does someone believing there is no god make them theist

How said it made them a Theist? I said it made them *closer than they would like to admit.

If you belief there is no God, at all, you have a belief that is not based on direct empirical evidence. Because you can't disprove God.

But if you simply lack belief in any God then it's because you lack faith and have not had it proven two you.

As I said, it's an important decision.

They do have faith though, else they would be agnostic.

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No, someone who claims there is no god would be a gnostic atheist. A person who lacks a belief in god without claiming knowledge that there is no god would be angnostic atheist.

(05-25-2016 08:49 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 08:36 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 05:25 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 07:10 AM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  The world can only hope.

man, we usually see eye-to-eye.....but, I have to ask....hope for what?

We do but this is our major disagreement.

I simply don't view atheism as a good process for the world. That doesn't mean that all atheists are evil or unneeded but the belief of atheism doesn't help the world.

as we understand human behavior today....

have you really thought seriously how it works out if religion is not part of the construct?

I doubt it....not a slam....take it deep, then get back to me in a pm if you really want to discuss....

I only toss bones here....

The Soviet Union.