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RE: Republicans hold Zika funding hostage to their special interests
(05-24-2016 10:35 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(05-24-2016 10:26 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  
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(05-24-2016 09:36 AM)john01992 Wrote:  are the republicans offering to fund it by offering tax increases on the wealthy or reduction in military spending?

are the republicans trying to take advantage of a health crisis by using this as an opportunity to defund a dem initiative?

Why would they? There was money there that could have been appropriated for Zika, Obama just chose to use it elsewhere.

Even if that were true, there is still a Zika virus problem here. Are they going to point the finger and place blame or are they going to do something about it.

Because at the end of the day, they are going to be on the hook for voting against funding.

It is true. This vote won't hurt them, others might, but all it will take is pointing to the $500M Obama spent elsewhere instead of Zika to justify them not appropriating more funds. It's not their fault Obama funded a pet project instead of fighting Zika.


How are they going to fix the problem?

What you are advocating is for them to appropriate MORE money, rather than have used the money that was there,
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So if Obama used the money elsewhere, where did he use it? What are the details on that? Sorry, if someone mentioned that earlier, but I didn't see it.
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(05-24-2016 11:22 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  So if Obama used the money elsewhere, where did he use it? What are the details on that? Sorry, if someone mentioned that earlier, but I didn't see it.

You saw it, but attacked the source. page 4
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(05-24-2016 11:23 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  
(05-24-2016 11:22 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  So if Obama used the money elsewhere, where did he use it? What are the details on that? Sorry, if someone mentioned that earlier, but I didn't see it.

You saw it, but attacked the source. page 4

Ah, so they have to take the money from economic assistance to foreign countries. So the argument is that we should cut economic assistance to other countries to pay for it?
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(05-24-2016 10:35 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  How are they going to fix the problem?
They're going to fix the problem the only way a government can. By spending money.

According to the Senator, such money (in fact 160 times the requested amount) already exists in numerous unallocated accounts arguably designed for just such an event.

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(05-24-2016 11:22 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  So if Obama used the money elsewhere, where did he use it? What are the details on that? Sorry, if someone mentioned that earlier, but I didn't see it.

You saw it, but attacked the source. page 4

Ah, so they have to take the money from economic assistance to foreign countries. So the argument is that we should cut economic assistance to other countries to pay for it?
If it was okay when Obama did it for Global warming, how isn't it okay to do it for a global disease outbreak?

FTR, that was only one option he gave. The other was to take it from 80byn in budgets for departments like HHS, which is also obviously directly related to health issues like ZIKA.

Again, if the Senator if FOS, then demonstrate that... but all I see is democrats ignoring what the Senator is saying and attacking the reporter of his words... or just that he's a Republican so he must be bad... and just presuming that because some HuffPo Blogger says its true (or some CSNBBS poster suggests it MUST come from 'defense') that they know more than the Senator and are better able to read governmental budgets than the people who do that for a living.

If the OP could demonstrate that the monies in those other budgets the Senator mentioned are already allocated or are inappropriate for this use, I suspect he would have said so... He didn't... and neither has anyone else.

I find that quite telling.

NO WONDER we get crappy partisan hacks as politicians. Here we have something relatively easily shot down if it is a lie and 3/4 of the country is more interested in 'who' said it than in whether or not it it true.

THIS is why we're getting Trump and Bernie and Libertarians.
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(05-24-2016 11:34 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(05-24-2016 11:23 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  
(05-24-2016 11:22 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  So if Obama used the money elsewhere, where did he use it? What are the details on that? Sorry, if someone mentioned that earlier, but I didn't see it.

You saw it, but attacked the source. page 4

Ah, so they have to take the money from economic assistance to foreign countries. So the argument is that we should cut economic assistance to other countries to pay for it?

No, the argument is a president should set priorities and timelines based on the urgency of a situation, not the optics.
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(05-24-2016 12:26 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  
(05-24-2016 11:34 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(05-24-2016 11:23 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  
(05-24-2016 11:22 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  So if Obama used the money elsewhere, where did he use it? What are the details on that? Sorry, if someone mentioned that earlier, but I didn't see it.

You saw it, but attacked the source. page 4

Ah, so they have to take the money from economic assistance to foreign countries. So the argument is that we should cut economic assistance to other countries to pay for it?

No, the argument is a president should set priorities and timelines based on the urgency of a situation, not the optics.

You just assume he's doing it for the optics because you disagree with him.

So presumably everyone Democrats and Republicans) knew that the money set aside for economic assistance to other countries really meant that it could all be used for something else, and none of it actually needed to be used for economic assistance?
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(05-24-2016 11:21 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  
(05-24-2016 10:35 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(05-24-2016 10:26 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  
(05-24-2016 10:21 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(05-24-2016 10:19 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Why would they? There was money there that could have been appropriated for Zika, Obama just chose to use it elsewhere.

Even if that were true, there is still a Zika virus problem here. Are they going to point the finger and place blame or are they going to do something about it.

Because at the end of the day, they are going to be on the hook for voting against funding.

It is true. This vote won't hurt them, others might, but all it will take is pointing to the $500M Obama spent elsewhere instead of Zika to justify them not appropriating more funds. It's not their fault Obama funded a pet project instead of fighting Zika.


How are they going to fix the problem?

What you are advocating is for them to appropriate MORE money, rather than have used the money that was there,

If they could fix the problem without money that would be fine with me too.
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(05-24-2016 12:53 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(05-24-2016 12:26 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  
(05-24-2016 11:34 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(05-24-2016 11:23 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  
(05-24-2016 11:22 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  So if Obama used the money elsewhere, where did he use it? What are the details on that? Sorry, if someone mentioned that earlier, but I didn't see it.

You saw it, but attacked the source. page 4

Ah, so they have to take the money from economic assistance to foreign countries. So the argument is that we should cut economic assistance to other countries to pay for it?

No, the argument is a president should set priorities and timelines based on the urgency of a situation, not the optics.

You just assume he's doing it for the optics because you disagree with him.

So presumably everyone Democrats and Republicans) knew that the money set aside for economic assistance to other countries really meant that it could all be used for something else, and none of it actually needed to be used for economic assistance?


Obama requests $1.8B for Zika

Congress says use the $1.4B left over from Ebola or the $1.3B left in the State Department funds.

Obama pitches a fit, tells Republicans not to leave town without giving him what he wants.

Left wing media calls Republicans names, demonizes them for "holding the funds hostage", ignores the $2.7B available to fight Zika now.

Obama gives $500M of money that could be used to fight Zika to UN climate change project, continues to chide Republicans.

Left wing media ignores inconvenient fact that there is still $2.2B available that Obama could use right now and focuses on mean Republicans that don't care about a serious disease like this.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/...story.html'http://kff.org/news-summary/president-ob...rritories/
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/24/us/pol...nding.html
http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/269...ka-funding



The above are all facts. Too bad liberals would rather badmouth Republicans than demand the President take some common sense action.
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(05-24-2016 01:03 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  
(05-24-2016 12:53 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(05-24-2016 12:26 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  
(05-24-2016 11:34 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(05-24-2016 11:23 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  You saw it, but attacked the source. page 4

Ah, so they have to take the money from economic assistance to foreign countries. So the argument is that we should cut economic assistance to other countries to pay for it?

No, the argument is a president should set priorities and timelines based on the urgency of a situation, not the optics.

You just assume he's doing it for the optics because you disagree with him.

So presumably everyone Democrats and Republicans) knew that the money set aside for economic assistance to other countries really meant that it could all be used for something else, and none of it actually needed to be used for economic assistance?


Obama requests $1.8B for Zika

Congress says use the $1.4B left over from Ebola or the $1.3B left in the State Department funds.

Obama pitches a fit, tells Republicans not to leave town without giving him what he wants.

Left wing media calls Republicans names, demonizes them for "holding the funds hostage", ignores the $2.7B available to fight Zika now.

Obama gives $500M of money that could be used to fight Zika to UN climate change project, continues to chide Republicans.

Left wing media ignores inconvenient fact that there is still $2.2B available that Obama could use right now and focuses on mean Republicans that don't care about a serious disease like this.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/...story.html'http://kff.org/news-summary/president-ob...rritories/
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/24/us/pol...nding.html
http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/269...ka-funding



The above are all facts. Too bad liberals would rather badmouth Republicans than demand the President take some common sense action.

What did Obama say as to why he didn't want to use those funds? Having a little trouble with the links, my computer seems to lock up.

I don't care about badmouthing Republicans (at this point I don't know the details), I just want to hear both sides of the story. And I don't want to hear both sides of the story from just one side, if you know what I mean.
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(05-24-2016 01:16 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
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(05-24-2016 12:53 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
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(05-24-2016 11:34 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  Ah, so they have to take the money from economic assistance to foreign countries. So the argument is that we should cut economic assistance to other countries to pay for it?

No, the argument is a president should set priorities and timelines based on the urgency of a situation, not the optics.

You just assume he's doing it for the optics because you disagree with him.

So presumably everyone Democrats and Republicans) knew that the money set aside for economic assistance to other countries really meant that it could all be used for something else, and none of it actually needed to be used for economic assistance?


Obama requests $1.8B for Zika

Congress says use the $1.4B left over from Ebola or the $1.3B left in the State Department funds.

Obama pitches a fit, tells Republicans not to leave town without giving him what he wants.

Left wing media calls Republicans names, demonizes them for "holding the funds hostage", ignores the $2.7B available to fight Zika now.

Obama gives $500M of money that could be used to fight Zika to UN climate change project, continues to chide Republicans.

Left wing media ignores inconvenient fact that there is still $2.2B available that Obama could use right now and focuses on mean Republicans that don't care about a serious disease like this.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/...story.html'http://kff.org/news-summary/president-ob...rritories/
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/24/us/pol...nding.html
http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/269...ka-funding



The above are all facts. Too bad liberals would rather badmouth Republicans than demand the President take some common sense action.

What did Obama say as to why he didn't want to use those funds? Having a little trouble with the links, my computer seems to lock up.

I don't care about badmouthing Republicans (at this point I don't know the details), I just want to hear both sides of the story. And I don't want to hear both sides of the story from just one side, if you know what I mean.

The Links posted state that Obama has asked for the money and has asked Congress to get it done before Memorial Day.

As for that other stuff. Not really.
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(05-24-2016 01:23 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(05-24-2016 01:16 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(05-24-2016 01:03 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  
(05-24-2016 12:53 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(05-24-2016 12:26 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  No, the argument is a president should set priorities and timelines based on the urgency of a situation, not the optics.

You just assume he's doing it for the optics because you disagree with him.

So presumably everyone Democrats and Republicans) knew that the money set aside for economic assistance to other countries really meant that it could all be used for something else, and none of it actually needed to be used for economic assistance?


Obama requests $1.8B for Zika

Congress says use the $1.4B left over from Ebola or the $1.3B left in the State Department funds.

Obama pitches a fit, tells Republicans not to leave town without giving him what he wants.

Left wing media calls Republicans names, demonizes them for "holding the funds hostage", ignores the $2.7B available to fight Zika now.

Obama gives $500M of money that could be used to fight Zika to UN climate change project, continues to chide Republicans.

Left wing media ignores inconvenient fact that there is still $2.2B available that Obama could use right now and focuses on mean Republicans that don't care about a serious disease like this.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/...story.html'http://kff.org/news-summary/president-ob...rritories/
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/24/us/pol...nding.html
http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/269...ka-funding



The above are all facts. Too bad liberals would rather badmouth Republicans than demand the President take some common sense action.

What did Obama say as to why he didn't want to use those funds? Having a little trouble with the links, my computer seems to lock up.

I don't care about badmouthing Republicans (at this point I don't know the details), I just want to hear both sides of the story. And I don't want to hear both sides of the story from just one side, if you know what I mean.

The Links posted state that Obama has asked for the money and has asked Congress to get it done before Memorial Day.

As for that other stuff. Not really.

Quote:GOP leaders, led by Appropriations Committee Chairman Hal Rogers (R-Ky.), told the administration on Thursday that they should first use the money left over from the government’s emergency Ebola response before seeking new funding.
HHS still has $1.4 billion left of its Ebola funding — about half of the the total amount allocated — as of December 2015, according to the lawmakers’ letter. Another $1.3 billion is left over in the State Department’s allocation.

“These funds can and should be prioritized to meet the most pressing needs of mounting a rapid and full response to Zika,” Rogers, as well as two other GOP Appropriations subcommittee chairmen, wrote in a letter to President Obama’s budget director, Shaun Donovan.

The White House has already signaled it would not support this approach. White House press secretary Josh Earnest said last month that the administration did not want to “take money that is currently being used to make sure we follow through on our Ebola response and have it be diverted to this latest effort.”

The GOP appropriators said in their letter they would be willing to consider replacing that Zika funding as part of this fall’s appropriations process, “but if an urgent response is what is required, then it seems clear that substantial funds are already available without any further delay.”

Quote:“They should not be going off on recess before this is done,” Mr. Obama said about putting resources behind an effort to stop the spread of the mosquito-borne virus. “To the extent that we’re not handling this thing on the front end, we’re going to have bigger problems on the back end.”


Google search the dailykos and huffington articles about republcans holding zika funds hostage. You kno whow to google something dont you?

Quote:They can use those funds to combat infectious diseases, if the administration believed there is an infectious disease emergency. In the middle of the Zika epidemic, the administration did use their authority to pull money from foreign aid and spend it, but they didn’t use it for Zika.

You might ask—so what did the administration spend the infectious disease money on earlier this year?

You guessed it… climate change
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I just found over $15 BILLION. Maybe that will cover it.


IRS improperly paid $15.6 billion through Earned Income Tax Credit program
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(05-24-2016 01:23 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  As for that other stuff. Not really.

Please post some links or commentary that refute this, or anything meaningful said by the Senator.

Thus far all you guys have done is dismiss the Senator because he's a Republican... Dismiss the article reporting it because it leans right... and dismissed 3 other articles because you don't 'really' believe it.

As someone without a dog in this fight, other than to spend money wisely... I'd like some facts... or at least some 'investigable' claims.
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(05-24-2016 09:26 AM)john01992 Wrote:  
(05-24-2016 12:14 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  
(05-23-2016 10:16 PM)john01992 Wrote:  
(05-23-2016 05:17 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  
(05-23-2016 04:54 PM)john01992 Wrote:  the money is there ONLY in the context of the dems removing a spending program they want and republicans don't want. it's a typical republican tactic of saying "fair is that I get what I want at your expense in exchange for us agreeing to a common sense piece of legislation."

certainly an unusual definition of "fair." plus I love how you ignore the trucking regulations fiasco.

the republicans are playing party politics with freaking zika. nothing more nothing less. same group who did this with hurricane sandy relief, and the 9/11 first responders. and yet yall keep defending this crap

Yep, when my kids were young and acting infantile it would got he same way. Here's the money, if you want a milkshake, pick a flavor, if you want a Klondike bar, grab one.

No, you're not getting both, you haven't been good stewards of what you've gotten so far.

Pretty simple, really. 07-coffee3

in case you have forgotten what we are talking about here, this is what Zika does:

[Image: jaxon2-670x388.jpg]

what a terribly ill advised comment for you to make.

Yea, said that. Nasty infectious disease. Which makes my comment only that much more pertinent (I'll pause a second while you look that up 07-coffee3 ).

Why haven't funds, already budgeted, already available, and not going anywhere else useful, being prioritized for that poor kid and those soon to follow?

ES isn't heading off to another Vegas fund raiser or goff game and can't get around to actually taking care of issues at hand. eh?

Say it ain't so! lol.

The money's there. Why hasn't he moved? 03-yawn

I will always remember you as the guy who compared Zika funding to wanting a milkshake.07-coffee3

Ohhhh noes!!!!! What's a poor southurn girl to do?!?

Hey, dummy0?!?

I'll always remember you as the guy who's too thick to actually realize who I was talking about in that little story.

Hint: It wasn't the zika funding... go read it again, take a lap, and come talk to me again. 07-coffee3
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(05-24-2016 09:39 AM)john01992 Wrote:  
(05-24-2016 09:35 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  He's tried to make a political show of zika and it may come back and bite him in the ass.

LOL republicans were saying the same thing about the govt shutdown. the public knew better then and put the blame on the GOP and they will do the same thing again.

case and point: the only news article the GOPers have posted in this thread was promoted by the heritage foundation and was an op-ed by a GOP senator.

03-lmfao

Yup. so much so, the "public" gave then the House AND the Senate. And in historic fashion more down ballot state houses and local legislatures than at any time since prior to WWII.

I think even your leader from behinder said it well:

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(05-24-2016 02:10 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  
(05-24-2016 01:23 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  As for that other stuff. Not really.

Please post some links or commentary that refute this, or anything meaningful said by the Senator.

Thus far all you guys have done is dismiss the Senator because he's a Republican... Dismiss the article reporting it because it leans right... and dismissed 3 other articles because you don't 'really' believe it.

As someone without a dog in this fight, other than to spend money wisely... I'd like some facts... or at least some 'investigable' claims.

I like facts too but I don't assume facts spouted by one side tell the whole story. In politics, they rarely do. I'm not assuming the Senator is wrong, and I didn't post the thread originally, I'm just not taking his word for it either.
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(05-24-2016 09:56 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  I say *may* because the media generally lets Obama out of these types of situations.

it's just the media and the public being fair to Obama and are seeing past the GOP BS.

(05-24-2016 09:56 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  The fact is we spend more money than we have so whenever something comes up the first question should be "where can we get the money" not "let's print some more".

that didn't seem to matter with Iraq or medicaid part d for republicans. so lets cut the BS.

It mattered to me... I did not vote GOP in 2004

It mattered to a hell of a lot of us, ask Eric Cantor...
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(05-24-2016 02:35 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
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(05-24-2016 01:23 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  As for that other stuff. Not really.

Please post some links or commentary that refute this, or anything meaningful said by the Senator.

Thus far all you guys have done is dismiss the Senator because he's a Republican... Dismiss the article reporting it because it leans right... and dismissed 3 other articles because you don't 'really' believe it.

As someone without a dog in this fight, other than to spend money wisely... I'd like some facts... or at least some 'investigable' claims.

I like facts too but I don't assume facts spouted by one side tell the whole story. In politics, they rarely do. I'm not assuming the Senator is wrong, and I didn't post the thread originally, I'm just not taking his word for it either.

That's fine... in which case you should be 'undecided' at best. That's essentially where I am, other than I haven't seen one single example of anyone directly refuting his claims... I'm not talking about semantics or rounding errors... like he says it's $80byn and it's really only more like $60byn from which we'd like to use $500mm... but of actual claims that there isn't 500mm in ANY of those accounts... or that Zika isn't an appropriate use of international aid funds (but global warming is) or HHS funds.

have you?

Why not?

If you don't want to look, that's fine... but to just assume that a US senator is lying on the public record... but a HuffPo blogger wouldn't ever do similar is not being open minded.

Not saying you're doing that.... that's for you to decide... but it seems clear that a FEW people on here are.
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(05-23-2016 04:54 PM)john01992 Wrote:  the money is there ONLY in the context of the dems removing a spending program they want and republicans don't want. it's a typical republican tactic of saying "fair is that I get what I want at your expense in exchange for us agreeing to a common sense piece of legislation."

certainly an unusual definition of "fair." plus I love how you ignore the trucking regulations fiasco.

the republicans are playing party politics with freaking zika. nothing more nothing less. same group who did this with hurricane sandy relief, and the 9/11 first responders. and yet yall keep defending this crap

I'll jump in on the trucking 'fiasco' as you call it since I ran a trucking company for 15 years that specialized in oversize and supersize loads.

Roughly 10% of accidents involve a tractor trailer.

Driver related factors (fatigue) was only a factor in 55% of fatal accidents, compared to 72% of fatal accidents involving only passenger vehicles.

Passenger vehicles are at fault in nearly 70% of all fatal accidents involving a tractor trailer.

Figures for fault in non-fatal accidents are too hard to establish since most insurance companies will settle out of court for anywhere from 10-50k without even requiring proof of fault.
(I had a truck on the Cross Bronx in stop and go traffic being followed by a ny state trooper that was deliberately run into by a minivan at a low rate of speed. The driver of the minivan lay in the middle of the road and feigned neck injuries, The trooper's report clearly stated that individual was not injured and was 100% at fault. My insurance company paid out $25000 the day after the driver of the minivan filed a lawsuit. Another accident in NC where a driver ran a stop sign and T-boned a truck of mine was settled out of court for $10000 despite the driver not having any insurance or license. I received nothing for the damage to the truck in either case.) In 1998 when I started, insurance ran $8000 per year per truck for liability only. When I go out in 2013 it ran over $14000 per year per truck for liability only. In all in 2013 I was paying nearly $18000 per year per truck for liability, physical damage, and cargo insurance.

All stats (except my insurance costs) available from federal motor carrier websites.

The biggest issue with hours is that many truck drivers run routes that cannot be driven efficiently in the time allotted under current regulations. The 80 hour per week figure in the article is not driving time, but on-duty time that includes required daily prechecks of equipment, fueling, and any time not spent in the sleeper (sleeper time must be at least 2 consecutive hours) and the driver cannot drive past the 14th hour each day coming on duty.

I had a particularly difficult time being based in NC and running out to Long Island with oversize loads. Travel restrictions mandated that I driver during daylight hours only from NC to NYC, and 10pm to 2 am only through NYC, then daylight hours only on Long Island unless I had a front and rear escort.
Leaving NC in the morning, it is a 9-10 hour drive to the Outerbridge Crossing onto Staten Island. A driver that left at 6 am on Monday would arrive at 4 pm and have to wait until 10 pm to be escorted through the city. The problem is that at 8 pm the 14 hour rule says he is done until he gets 8 consecutive hours in a sleeper. (waiting time on the side of the road isnt allowable sleeper time) Legally speaking the driver is stuck until 10 pm Tuesday. From there he will be escorted to the Nassau County line (2 hours) and have to stop unless I paid an escort to take him the other 1-2 hours out to Hampton Bays or Southhold. (That escort costs roughly $450) Lets say I buy the escort. The driver arrives at Hampton Bays pre-dawn on Wednesday where he unloads and struggles to get off of Long Island before afternoon traffic. Coming on duty to unload at 8 am on Wed, his 14 hour clock ends at 10 pm Wed where he is probably somewhere around D.C. He can start driving again at 8 am Thursday and would arrive back to my location around noon. Too late in the week to do anything else. Thats a 1100 mile trip that pays less than $2600. The driver gets about $1000 of that. I spent $450 on the escort, other permits cost $350, fuel cost $550. That's $2450 before overhead. Those numbers don't work. In 1998 that driver could leave at 6 am Monday, unload Tuesday morning, and be home by lunch on Wednesday to leave again and make a second trip.

My example is a little extreme because of it being oversize loads and a troublesome distance from my terminal to NYC, but it's an example of why the regulations didn't work.

truck driver-caused accidents are a small percentage of the accidents involving trucks.
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