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(05-24-2016 09:53 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Former D1 schools that could come back up.


Newberry

Newberry has never been DI.
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(05-24-2016 09:52 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(05-24-2016 09:53 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Former D1 schools that could come back up.


Newberry

Newberry has never been DI.


Newberry was considered D1 back in the old days when they appeared in the AP Polls that we know of today for D1 FBS schools. Even though they did not have classifications back then, the schools do showed up on polls and all that.

What I listed is the history of college football until they decided to split off into divisions. These schools have the history that they played against the big boys in the past.
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(05-24-2016 09:15 PM)North Ala Supporter Wrote:  DavidSt

How about only listing only the ones that are being mention since the NCAA announce that large entrance fee of over a million dollars in 2011. I'm sure some that were thinking about it 10 years ago completely changed after that entrance fee was announced.

Think the bigger issue is that schools need a conference invite first.

All the Dakota schools moved up without an invite and that cost them a heck of a lot more than one million to be independent. A conference inviting a DII loses a lot of money as they have to schedule them but don't get much benefit until their playoff eligible. Only prime DII schools for a regional conference will get invited now.
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(05-24-2016 10:05 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(05-24-2016 09:15 PM)North Ala Supporter Wrote:  DavidSt

How about only listing only the ones that are being mention since the NCAA announce that large entrance fee of over a million dollars in 2011. I'm sure some that were thinking about it 10 years ago completely changed after that entrance fee was announced.

Think the bigger issue is that schools need a conference invite first.

All the Dakota schools moved up without an invite and that cost them a heck of a lot more than one million to be independent. A conference inviting a DII loses a lot of money as they have to schedule them but don't get much benefit until their playoff eligible. Only prime DII schools for a regional conference will get invited now.


I am surprise that the D2 California schools have not been invited yet. They have a large student body of undergraduates. Plus, by creating new D1 conferences could help add more schools in the right place.

Central Arkansas main old rival is Arkansas Tech. Now, basketball is now considered exhibition and nothing else.
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(05-24-2016 10:24 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(05-24-2016 10:05 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(05-24-2016 09:15 PM)North Ala Supporter Wrote:  DavidSt

How about only listing only the ones that are being mention since the NCAA announce that large entrance fee of over a million dollars in 2011. I'm sure some that were thinking about it 10 years ago completely changed after that entrance fee was announced.

Think the bigger issue is that schools need a conference invite first.

All the Dakota schools moved up without an invite and that cost them a heck of a lot more than one million to be independent. A conference inviting a DII loses a lot of money as they have to schedule them but don't get much benefit until their playoff eligible. Only prime DII schools for a regional conference will get invited now.

I am surprise that the D2 California schools have not been invited yet. They have a large student body of undergraduates. Plus, by creating new D1 conferences could help add more schools in the right place.

Central Arkansas main old rival is Arkansas Tech. Now, basketball is now considered exhibition and nothing else.

A new DI conference will only happen by existing conferences splitting. Suspect the next candidate to split will be CUSA four or five years from now.

Bakersfield isn't even wanted by the Big West. Few DII CSU's are wanted by DI conferences. Cal Poly Pomona may be an exception. UC Merced and UC Santa Cruz are now exceptions for being sub DI in the UC ranks.
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(05-24-2016 09:59 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(05-24-2016 09:52 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(05-24-2016 09:53 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Former D1 schools that could come back up.


Newberry

Newberry has never been DI.


Newberry was considered D1 back in the old days when they appeared in the AP Polls that we know of today for D1 FBS schools. Even though they did not have classifications back then, the schools do showed up on polls and all that.

What I listed is the history of college football until they decided to split off into divisions. These schools have the history that they played against the big boys in the past.

They were never DI. DI was created in 1973 and Newberry wasn't made DI at the time.

They were a College Division team for a period, not a University Division. They might have played teams like Clemson and South Carolina but they were never considered to be at the same level.
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(05-24-2016 10:24 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I am surprise that the D2 California schools have not been invited yet. They have a large student body of undergraduates. Plus, by creating new D1 conferences could help add more schools in the right place.

Central Arkansas main old rival is Arkansas Tech. Now, basketball is now considered exhibition and nothing else.

I don't think it's all that surprising. Other than UCSD, the California schools in D2 are either Cal State campuses (largely seen as commuter schools) or small private sectarian schools.
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LIU- Post would make good sense.. especially with Hofstra having dropped football years ago. StonyBrook only D-1 football program on Long Island.
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(05-25-2016 12:34 AM)GiveEmTheAxe Wrote:  
(05-24-2016 10:24 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I am surprise that the D2 California schools have not been invited yet. They have a large student body of undergraduates. Plus, by creating new D1 conferences could help add more schools in the right place.

Central Arkansas main old rival is Arkansas Tech. Now, basketball is now considered exhibition and nothing else.

I don't think it's all that surprising. Other than UCSD, the California schools in D2 are either Cal State campuses (largely seen as commuter schools) or small private sectarian schools.


NYU D3 40,000 plus students. They should be D1.

30,000 + students:
Cal-san Diego
Simon Fraser
Nova Southwestern

20,000 + Students:
San Francisco State
Cal. Poly, Pomona
Cal. State-LA
Wayne State, Mich.
Grand Valley State
Metro State

10,000 +:
San Bernardino State
Chico State
Cal. State-Dominguez Hills
East Bay State
San Marcos State
Queens, New York
New York Tech
Mercy
Arkansas Tech
Ferris State
Saginaw Valley State
Davenport
Purdue-Calumet
UMSL
Southern Indiana
Alaska-Anchorage
Western Washington
Central Washington
Valdosta State
West Florida
West Georgia
Tarleton State
Texas A&M-Commerce
Central Oklahoma
Fort Hays State
Central Missouri
Lindenwood
Pace
S. Conn. State
S. New Hampshire
St. Cloud State
Mankato State
Minn.-Duluth
Academy of Art
North Georgia
Indiana, PA.
West Chester
Kutztown
Colorado Mesa
Colorado-Colorado Springs
Saint Leo
Tampa
Texas-Dallas D3


These could be possible D1 schools.
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RE: D2 Schools As Candidates To Become D1
(05-24-2016 10:24 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(05-24-2016 10:05 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(05-24-2016 09:15 PM)North Ala Supporter Wrote:  DavidSt

How about only listing only the ones that are being mention since the NCAA announce that large entrance fee of over a million dollars in 2011. I'm sure some that were thinking about it 10 years ago completely changed after that entrance fee was announced.

Think the bigger issue is that schools need a conference invite first.

All the Dakota schools moved up without an invite and that cost them a heck of a lot more than one million to be independent. A conference inviting a DII loses a lot of money as they have to schedule them but don't get much benefit until their playoff eligible. Only prime DII schools for a regional conference will get invited now.


I am surprise that the D2 California schools have not been invited yet. They have a large student body of undergraduates. Plus, by creating new D1 conferences could help add more schools in the right place.

Central Arkansas main old rival is Arkansas Tech. Now, basketball is now considered exhibition and nothing else.
DavidSt You said "creating new D1 conferences could help add more schools in the right place."

You Can't just start a New D1 Conference with absolutely new members

20.02.5 Multisport Conference. A Division I multisport conference shall satisfy the requirements of this
section. (Adopted: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)
20.02.5.1 Minimum Number of Members. A multisport conference shall be composed of at least seven
active Division I members. The member conference shall include at least seven active Division I members that
sponsor both men’s and women’s basketball. (Adopted: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)

Active Members are Currently Members that are Fully Qualified D1 Members that are a Member of a Current Conference or Independents.

As I understand the NCAA Rules NO D1- can formed a new conference with D2 Schools.

To form a New Conference at least 7 or more D1 Basketball playing schools would have to leave their particular conference to start a new conference. It could take anywhere from 6 months to a year to establish conference by-laws, pick a name for the Conference, name a Commissioner, Get Approval from the NCAA and start to hire a staff.

Only after it is approved from the NCAA could they approach a D2 or a D2 could approach them. Remember to move from D2 to D1 you have got to get an invitation from an Official D1 Conference and that approval cannot come before that New Conference become Official.

At that time the New Conference MAY or May Not offer an invitation to a D2 School.

Then a New Conference will not have AQ for a least two years and maybe longer.

So unless the rules are changed there will not be many new or additional D1 Conferences.
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(05-25-2016 07:15 PM)North Ala Supporter Wrote:  
(05-24-2016 10:24 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(05-24-2016 10:05 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(05-24-2016 09:15 PM)North Ala Supporter Wrote:  DavidSt

How about only listing only the ones that are being mention since the NCAA announce that large entrance fee of over a million dollars in 2011. I'm sure some that were thinking about it 10 years ago completely changed after that entrance fee was announced.

Think the bigger issue is that schools need a conference invite first.

All the Dakota schools moved up without an invite and that cost them a heck of a lot more than one million to be independent. A conference inviting a DII loses a lot of money as they have to schedule them but don't get much benefit until their playoff eligible. Only prime DII schools for a regional conference will get invited now.


I am surprise that the D2 California schools have not been invited yet. They have a large student body of undergraduates. Plus, by creating new D1 conferences could help add more schools in the right place.

Central Arkansas main old rival is Arkansas Tech. Now, basketball is now considered exhibition and nothing else.
DavidSt You said "creating new D1 conferences could help add more schools in the right place."

You Can't just start a New D1 Conference with absolutely new members

20.02.5 Multisport Conference. A Division I multisport conference shall satisfy the requirements of this
section. (Adopted: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)
20.02.5.1 Minimum Number of Members. A multisport conference shall be composed of at least seven
active Division I members. The member conference shall include at least seven active Division I members that
sponsor both men’s and women’s basketball. (Adopted: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)

Active Members are Currently Members that are Fully Qualified D1 Members that are a Member of a Current Conference or Independents.

As I understand the NCAA Rules NO D1- can formed a new conference with D2 Schools.

To form a New Conference at least 7 or more D1 Basketball playing schools would have to leave their particular conference to start a new conference. It could take anywhere from 6 months to a year to establish conference by-laws, pick a name for the Conference, name a Commissioner, Get Approval from the NCAA and start to hire a staff.

Only after it is approved from the NCAA could they approach a D2 or a D2 could approach them. Remember to move from D2 to D1 you have got to get an invitation from an Official D1 Conference and that approval cannot come before that New Conference become Official.

At that time the New Conference MAY or May Not offer an invitation to a D2 School.

Then a New Conference will not have AQ for a least two years and maybe longer.

So unless the rules are changed there will not be many new or additional D1 Conferences.


I think RMAC might get the waiver since when conferences were first came about? They were one of the first ones that showcase some major universities at the time.

Big 10, SWC, Southern, PAC 12 former name, MVC and RMAC were the big conferences. Most everybody else was Independent at the time. When they divide small and large universities? I think RMAC was still large, but more like G5 conference at the time. Then when they decided to go Divisions of 1, 2 and 3? That was when RMAC went down to 2. Moving RMAC up from D2 is not creating a new conference at D1.
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(05-25-2016 08:14 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(05-25-2016 07:15 PM)North Ala Supporter Wrote:  
(05-24-2016 10:24 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(05-24-2016 10:05 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(05-24-2016 09:15 PM)North Ala Supporter Wrote:  DavidSt

How about only listing only the ones that are being mention since the NCAA announce that large entrance fee of over a million dollars in 2011. I'm sure some that were thinking about it 10 years ago completely changed after that entrance fee was announced.

Think the bigger issue is that schools need a conference invite first.

All the Dakota schools moved up without an invite and that cost them a heck of a lot more than one million to be independent. A conference inviting a DII loses a lot of money as they have to schedule them but don't get much benefit until their playoff eligible. Only prime DII schools for a regional conference will get invited now.


I am surprise that the D2 California schools have not been invited yet. They have a large student body of undergraduates. Plus, by creating new D1 conferences could help add more schools in the right place.

Central Arkansas main old rival is Arkansas Tech. Now, basketball is now considered exhibition and nothing else.
DavidSt You said "creating new D1 conferences could help add more schools in the right place."

You Can't just start a New D1 Conference with absolutely new members

20.02.5 Multisport Conference. A Division I multisport conference shall satisfy the requirements of this
section. (Adopted: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)
20.02.5.1 Minimum Number of Members. A multisport conference shall be composed of at least seven
active Division I members. The member conference shall include at least seven active Division I members that
sponsor both men’s and women’s basketball. (Adopted: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)

Active Members are Currently Members that are Fully Qualified D1 Members that are a Member of a Current Conference or Independents.

As I understand the NCAA Rules NO D1- can formed a new conference with D2 Schools.

To form a New Conference at least 7 or more D1 Basketball playing schools would have to leave their particular conference to start a new conference. It could take anywhere from 6 months to a year to establish conference by-laws, pick a name for the Conference, name a Commissioner, Get Approval from the NCAA and start to hire a staff.

Only after it is approved from the NCAA could they approach a D2 or a D2 could approach them. Remember to move from D2 to D1 you have got to get an invitation from an Official D1 Conference and that approval cannot come before that New Conference become Official.

At that time the New Conference MAY or May Not offer an invitation to a D2 School.

Then a New Conference will not have AQ for a least two years and maybe longer.

So unless the rules are changed there will not be many new or additional D1 Conferences.


I think RMAC might get the waiver since when conferences were first came about? They were one of the first ones that showcase some major universities at the time.

Big 10, SWC, Southern, PAC 12 former name, MVC and RMAC were the big conferences. Most everybody else was Independent at the time. When they divide small and large universities? I think RMAC was still large, but more like G5 conference at the time. Then when they decided to go Divisions of 1, 2 and 3? That was when RMAC went down to 2. Moving RMAC up from D2 is not creating a new conference at D1.
Even if an waiver is granted, still you would have to have the 7 current D1 schools to make it official. The current RMAC D2 Schools wouldn't automatic be D1 Schools.

I am all for a new D1 Conference that includes current D1 Schools from North Carolina, Tennessee, Georgia, Alabama, Arkansas, and Missouri.
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(05-25-2016 08:34 PM)North Ala Supporter Wrote:  
(05-25-2016 08:14 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(05-25-2016 07:15 PM)North Ala Supporter Wrote:  
(05-24-2016 10:24 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(05-24-2016 10:05 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Think the bigger issue is that schools need a conference invite first.

All the Dakota schools moved up without an invite and that cost them a heck of a lot more than one million to be independent. A conference inviting a DII loses a lot of money as they have to schedule them but don't get much benefit until their playoff eligible. Only prime DII schools for a regional conference will get invited now.


I am surprise that the D2 California schools have not been invited yet. They have a large student body of undergraduates. Plus, by creating new D1 conferences could help add more schools in the right place.

Central Arkansas main old rival is Arkansas Tech. Now, basketball is now considered exhibition and nothing else.
DavidSt You said "creating new D1 conferences could help add more schools in the right place."

You Can't just start a New D1 Conference with absolutely new members

20.02.5 Multisport Conference. A Division I multisport conference shall satisfy the requirements of this
section. (Adopted: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)
20.02.5.1 Minimum Number of Members. A multisport conference shall be composed of at least seven
active Division I members. The member conference shall include at least seven active Division I members that
sponsor both men’s and women’s basketball. (Adopted: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)

Active Members are Currently Members that are Fully Qualified D1 Members that are a Member of a Current Conference or Independents.

As I understand the NCAA Rules NO D1- can formed a new conference with D2 Schools.

To form a New Conference at least 7 or more D1 Basketball playing schools would have to leave their particular conference to start a new conference. It could take anywhere from 6 months to a year to establish conference by-laws, pick a name for the Conference, name a Commissioner, Get Approval from the NCAA and start to hire a staff.

Only after it is approved from the NCAA could they approach a D2 or a D2 could approach them. Remember to move from D2 to D1 you have got to get an invitation from an Official D1 Conference and that approval cannot come before that New Conference become Official.

At that time the New Conference MAY or May Not offer an invitation to a D2 School.

Then a New Conference will not have AQ for a least two years and maybe longer.

So unless the rules are changed there will not be many new or additional D1 Conferences.


I think RMAC might get the waiver since when conferences were first came about? They were one of the first ones that showcase some major universities at the time.

Big 10, SWC, Southern, PAC 12 former name, MVC and RMAC were the big conferences. Most everybody else was Independent at the time. When they divide small and large universities? I think RMAC was still large, but more like G5 conference at the time. Then when they decided to go Divisions of 1, 2 and 3? That was when RMAC went down to 2. Moving RMAC up from D2 is not creating a new conference at D1.
Even if an waiver is granted, still you would have to have the 7 current D1 schools to make it official. The current RMAC D2 Schools wouldn't automatic be D1 Schools.

I am all for a new D1 Conference that includes current D1 Schools from North Carolina, Tennessee, Georgia, Alabama, Arkansas, and Missouri.


Waivers could be issued because in the bylaws, it really did not say if you happened to be D1 before. Like the MVC 7 schools I listed could form a new conference with New Mexico State.

New Mexico State
Wichita State
Southern Illinois
Illinois State
Indiana State
West Texas A&M
Northern Iowa

Those 7 have played together for 7 years.

RMAC at the highest levels that played against Colorado and Colorado State.

Colorado College
Colorado Mines
Denver
Northern Colorado
Idaho State
Western State
Adams State


Montana State, Wyoming, Utah, Utah State, and BYU.

You do have 3 D1 schools right there if the Big Sky could move up as an FBS conference, and Idaho State and Northern Colorado does not have a home. Southern Utah was also a member of RMAC at one time.

Colorado College (if they are allow to move up from D3)
Colorado Mines
Northern Colorado
Idaho State
Western State
Adams State
Southern Utah
Colorado State-Pueblo
Regis
Westminster Utah
Colorado Mesa
Metro State
Colorado-Colorado Springs
Colorado Christian
Fort Lewis
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Just looking at this. North Alabama would be crossed off the list for future D1 since they got ASun/Big South invite. North Alabama could compete right away in football in the Big South.
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Going back to last May of 2016. Lets take a look at who got invited.

North Alabama A-Sun/Big South
California Baptist WAC
Cal.-San Diego students approved to go D1.

There are serious candidates on this list that could get invites once Wichita State gets invited to the AAC. Maybe Gonzaga to the MWC? Once these two happen, lets play musical chairs.

Central Oklahoma just won D1 men's club hockey championship. They could add both men's and women's varsity hockey, and could move to D1.

Northeastern Oklahoma State had an article out yesterday about movement.

Now, we might be seeing more articles from D2 schools about moving. D2 could start being raided this year. Already have 2 from my list got invites.

Lets talk about possible landing spots for D2 to D1? This is getting serious.
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I think there are some NAIA schools out there being overlooked.

Only look past the University of Science and Art at Oklahoma Drovers at your own peril.

https://usao.edu/sports

Big12 expansion has been put on hold until the Drovers decide...you wait on a team like that.

Finally, my sleeper pick is the Cal Maritime Keelhaulers

http://www.cmakeelhaulers.com/sport/0/1.php
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(05-25-2016 08:14 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(05-25-2016 07:15 PM)North Ala Supporter Wrote:  
(05-24-2016 10:24 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(05-24-2016 10:05 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(05-24-2016 09:15 PM)North Ala Supporter Wrote:  DavidSt

How about only listing only the ones that are being mention since the NCAA announce that large entrance fee of over a million dollars in 2011. I'm sure some that were thinking about it 10 years ago completely changed after that entrance fee was announced.

Think the bigger issue is that schools need a conference invite first.

All the Dakota schools moved up without an invite and that cost them a heck of a lot more than one million to be independent. A conference inviting a DII loses a lot of money as they have to schedule them but don't get much benefit until their playoff eligible. Only prime DII schools for a regional conference will get invited now.


I am surprise that the D2 California schools have not been invited yet. They have a large student body of undergraduates. Plus, by creating new D1 conferences could help add more schools in the right place.

Central Arkansas main old rival is Arkansas Tech. Now, basketball is now considered exhibition and nothing else.
DavidSt You said "creating new D1 conferences could help add more schools in the right place."

You Can't just start a New D1 Conference with absolutely new members

20.02.5 Multisport Conference. A Division I multisport conference shall satisfy the requirements of this
section. (Adopted: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)
20.02.5.1 Minimum Number of Members. A multisport conference shall be composed of at least seven
active Division I members. The member conference shall include at least seven active Division I members that
sponsor both men’s and women’s basketball. (Adopted: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)

Active Members are Currently Members that are Fully Qualified D1 Members that are a Member of a Current Conference or Independents.

As I understand the NCAA Rules NO D1- can formed a new conference with D2 Schools.

To form a New Conference at least 7 or more D1 Basketball playing schools would have to leave their particular conference to start a new conference. It could take anywhere from 6 months to a year to establish conference by-laws, pick a name for the Conference, name a Commissioner, Get Approval from the NCAA and start to hire a staff.

Only after it is approved from the NCAA could they approach a D2 or a D2 could approach them. Remember to move from D2 to D1 you have got to get an invitation from an Official D1 Conference and that approval cannot come before that New Conference become Official.

At that time the New Conference MAY or May Not offer an invitation to a D2 School.

Then a New Conference will not have AQ for a least two years and maybe longer.

So unless the rules are changed there will not be many new or additional D1 Conferences.


I think RMAC might get the waiver since when conferences were first came about? They were one of the first ones that showcase some major universities at the time.

Big 10, SWC, Southern, PAC 12 former name, MVC and RMAC were the big conferences. Most everybody else was Independent at the time. When they divide small and large universities? I think RMAC was still large, but more like G5 conference at the time. Then when they decided to go Divisions of 1, 2 and 3? That was when RMAC went down to 2. Moving RMAC up from D2 is not creating a new conference at D1.

The last time the RMAC was considered a major conference, 1938. Sorry, no waiver is going to be granted. In addition, who in the RMAC are capable of going D1 with the exception of possibly Metro State? No, really no. The RMAC is a stable, happy, D2 conference and it is not going to change... EVER!!!
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RE: D2 Schools As Candidates To Become D1
(05-25-2016 12:34 AM)GiveEmTheAxe Wrote:  
(05-24-2016 10:24 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I am surprise that the D2 California schools have not been invited yet. They have a large student body of undergraduates. Plus, by creating new D1 conferences could help add more schools in the right place.

Central Arkansas main old rival is Arkansas Tech. Now, basketball is now considered exhibition and nothing else.

I don't think it's all that surprising. Other than UCSD, the California schools in D2 are either Cal State campuses (largely seen as commuter schools) or small private sectarian schools.

There's LOTS of commuter schools in D-1.

Most of the D2 Cal State schools are commuter schools, but they're still 4-year schools with graduate programs. If CSU-Chico, CSU-LA, or Humboldt State is too "commuter" for D-1, then more than half of the Atlantic Sun, America East, Horizon, WAC, and even C-USA schools should drop to D-2.
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RE: D2 Schools As Candidates To Become D1
(04-05-2017 10:09 AM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  
(05-25-2016 08:14 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(05-25-2016 07:15 PM)North Ala Supporter Wrote:  
(05-24-2016 10:24 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(05-24-2016 10:05 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Think the bigger issue is that schools need a conference invite first.

All the Dakota schools moved up without an invite and that cost them a heck of a lot more than one million to be independent. A conference inviting a DII loses a lot of money as they have to schedule them but don't get much benefit until their playoff eligible. Only prime DII schools for a regional conference will get invited now.


I am surprise that the D2 California schools have not been invited yet. They have a large student body of undergraduates. Plus, by creating new D1 conferences could help add more schools in the right place.

Central Arkansas main old rival is Arkansas Tech. Now, basketball is now considered exhibition and nothing else.
DavidSt You said "creating new D1 conferences could help add more schools in the right place."

You Can't just start a New D1 Conference with absolutely new members

20.02.5 Multisport Conference. A Division I multisport conference shall satisfy the requirements of this
section. (Adopted: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)
20.02.5.1 Minimum Number of Members. A multisport conference shall be composed of at least seven
active Division I members. The member conference shall include at least seven active Division I members that
sponsor both men’s and women’s basketball. (Adopted: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)

Active Members are Currently Members that are Fully Qualified D1 Members that are a Member of a Current Conference or Independents.

As I understand the NCAA Rules NO D1- can formed a new conference with D2 Schools.

To form a New Conference at least 7 or more D1 Basketball playing schools would have to leave their particular conference to start a new conference. It could take anywhere from 6 months to a year to establish conference by-laws, pick a name for the Conference, name a Commissioner, Get Approval from the NCAA and start to hire a staff.

Only after it is approved from the NCAA could they approach a D2 or a D2 could approach them. Remember to move from D2 to D1 you have got to get an invitation from an Official D1 Conference and that approval cannot come before that New Conference become Official.

At that time the New Conference MAY or May Not offer an invitation to a D2 School.

Then a New Conference will not have AQ for a least two years and maybe longer.

So unless the rules are changed there will not be many new or additional D1 Conferences.


I think RMAC might get the waiver since when conferences were first came about? They were one of the first ones that showcase some major universities at the time.

Big 10, SWC, Southern, PAC 12 former name, MVC and RMAC were the big conferences. Most everybody else was Independent at the time. When they divide small and large universities? I think RMAC was still large, but more like G5 conference at the time. Then when they decided to go Divisions of 1, 2 and 3? That was when RMAC went down to 2. Moving RMAC up from D2 is not creating a new conference at D1.

The last time the RMAC was considered a major conference, 1938. Sorry, no waiver is going to be granted. In addition, who in the RMAC are capable of going D1 with the exception of possibly Metro State? No, really no. The RMAC is a stable, happy, D2 conference and it is not going to change... EVER!!!


Actually yes, rules could change to allow schools to move up. Bellarmine have toi join D1 as a whole so that their women's LAX could play in D1.

Colorado Mesa just added Beach Volleyball. They just can't bring it up to D1 unless they go full tilt to joining a D1 conference for all sports. That is a problem what you guys are not thinking about. Colorado Mesa could slide into the Big Sky conference if the BSC loses schools.
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RE: D2 Schools As Candidates To Become D1
(04-05-2017 12:28 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(04-05-2017 10:09 AM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  
(05-25-2016 08:14 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(05-25-2016 07:15 PM)North Ala Supporter Wrote:  
(05-24-2016 10:24 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I am surprise that the D2 California schools have not been invited yet. They have a large student body of undergraduates. Plus, by creating new D1 conferences could help add more schools in the right place.

Central Arkansas main old rival is Arkansas Tech. Now, basketball is now considered exhibition and nothing else.
DavidSt You said "creating new D1 conferences could help add more schools in the right place."

You Can't just start a New D1 Conference with absolutely new members

20.02.5 Multisport Conference. A Division I multisport conference shall satisfy the requirements of this
section. (Adopted: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)
20.02.5.1 Minimum Number of Members. A multisport conference shall be composed of at least seven
active Division I members. The member conference shall include at least seven active Division I members that
sponsor both men’s and women’s basketball. (Adopted: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)

Active Members are Currently Members that are Fully Qualified D1 Members that are a Member of a Current Conference or Independents.

As I understand the NCAA Rules NO D1- can formed a new conference with D2 Schools.

To form a New Conference at least 7 or more D1 Basketball playing schools would have to leave their particular conference to start a new conference. It could take anywhere from 6 months to a year to establish conference by-laws, pick a name for the Conference, name a Commissioner, Get Approval from the NCAA and start to hire a staff.

Only after it is approved from the NCAA could they approach a D2 or a D2 could approach them. Remember to move from D2 to D1 you have got to get an invitation from an Official D1 Conference and that approval cannot come before that New Conference become Official.

At that time the New Conference MAY or May Not offer an invitation to a D2 School.

Then a New Conference will not have AQ for a least two years and maybe longer.

So unless the rules are changed there will not be many new or additional D1 Conferences.


I think RMAC might get the waiver since when conferences were first came about? They were one of the first ones that showcase some major universities at the time.

Big 10, SWC, Southern, PAC 12 former name, MVC and RMAC were the big conferences. Most everybody else was Independent at the time. When they divide small and large universities? I think RMAC was still large, but more like G5 conference at the time. Then when they decided to go Divisions of 1, 2 and 3? That was when RMAC went down to 2. Moving RMAC up from D2 is not creating a new conference at D1.

The last time the RMAC was considered a major conference, 1938. Sorry, no waiver is going to be granted. In addition, who in the RMAC are capable of going D1 with the exception of possibly Metro State? No, really no. The RMAC is a stable, happy, D2 conference and it is not going to change... EVER!!!


Actually yes, rules could change to allow schools to move up. Bellarmine have toi join D1 as a whole so that their women's LAX could play in D1.

Colorado Mesa just added Beach Volleyball. They just can't bring it up to D1 unless they go full tilt to joining a D1 conference for all sports. That is a problem what you guys are not thinking about. Colorado Mesa could slide into the Big Sky conference if the BSC loses schools.

Really?!

Bellarmine women's lax would be allowed D1 because it would balance the men's team similar to D3 Colorado College men's ice hockey and women's soccer.

No one today knows that the RMAC was a "D1" conference 80 years ago and it will not become one now.

Beach Volleyball is a D1 sport regardless of what division the school is a member of. The already established plan is when enough D2 schools have the sport it will then split off and have it's own championship in the same procedure that D3 men's volleyball started.
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