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RE: D2 Schools As Candidates To Become D1
(05-19-2016 12:21 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(05-18-2016 11:37 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  
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(05-17-2016 10:41 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  I bet the next moves will be in the A-Sun and WAC footprint.

WAC footprint03-lmfao

Seattle to Chicago to Southernmost Texas to Bakersfield, CA.

So, literally anyone west of the Mississippi. I feel for The WAC. I get that they are at a point where they can't be picky but They needs to figure out what they want the league to be because their travel will cause issues to trying to convince extremely regional D2 schools to consider moving up.
lol, you like that. Big Foot!
The only school that was looking into D-I last year was/is UCSD, TAMU-Commerce according to senior reports. Prior, UNA, GRU-Augusta, Columbus St., Bellarmine

\Tarleton State was last year before Commerce that mentioned D1. Long Island-Post was 2 years ago.
not according to senior reports. I remember Tarleton had a 10 year plan to move up in 2007. CW Post did? I thought they should but never knew they took the steps to do it.
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(05-19-2016 04:00 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  
(05-19-2016 12:21 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(05-18-2016 11:37 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  
(05-18-2016 09:18 PM)chrisattsu Wrote:  
(05-17-2016 10:41 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  I bet the next moves will be in the A-Sun and WAC footprint.

WAC footprint03-lmfao

Seattle to Chicago to Southernmost Texas to Bakersfield, CA.

So, literally anyone west of the Mississippi. I feel for The WAC. I get that they are at a point where they can't be picky but They needs to figure out what they want the league to be because their travel will cause issues to trying to convince extremely regional D2 schools to consider moving up.
lol, you like that. Big Foot!
The only school that was looking into D-I last year was/is UCSD, TAMU-Commerce according to senior reports. Prior, UNA, GRU-Augusta, Columbus St., Bellarmine

\Tarleton State was last year before Commerce that mentioned D1. Long Island-Post was 2 years ago.
not according to senior reports. I remember Tarleton had a 10 year plan to move up in 2007. CW Post did? I thought they should but never knew they took the steps to do it.


Yeah, Tarleton State came out last year. In the news article about Commerce? Commerce made the decision to study it because of Tarleton did.
Yeah, C.W. rebranded themselves to be Long Island-Post now. They could be good for the NEC or The Patriot since they both do need football members.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/college/co...-1.3926558

Quote:"We can play as an independent, the challenge of that is there probably would be a lot of traveling. The second option would be do we go back to the Northeast-10 ? It's a scholarship conference now. The third option in the Division I situation, the Northeast Conference. But that becomes an institutional decision.''

Either one they might be able to get in at D1.

http://texannews.net/to-d-1-or-not-to-d-...-question/

Article out from last year about Tarleton State.
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(05-17-2016 10:18 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
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(05-17-2016 09:17 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  UNA has some serious issues in front of it. They would have to double their athletic budget.

They are unlikely to make a jump in the next few years.

Why would they be pursuing the move then?

There has been a push for it for 7 years now.

UNA needs to do something because where they are now is fairly untenable. They have to spend a lot in travel for little in the way of returns and many classic opponents have moved on.

The problem remains the same though, money. Chief amongst those problems is the fact that to be competitive they will need to double their athletic budget overnight.
Money doesn't buy everything. How many other schools that were D2 had a lower budget than UNA that is now D1 double their budget overnight. It is a step-by-step process just like the transition period.
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Bellarmine in Louisville won't be D1 any time soon I don't think. I think they have a lot to offer, especially in terms of basketball, but I'm not sure there's a huge desire on their part to make the jump. Could be wrong, though.
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Lindenwood may be a prime candidate. It can now take men's hockey DI, and it could play in the arena in St Charles, Mo. Womens hockey already plays DI teams, although that sport is officially intercolleegiate, not DI for women. Lindenwood offers a ridiculous number of sports including football, which is probably the holdup.

Grand Valley St and Wayne St are two others, but they also need someplace for FCS.
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(05-22-2016 04:02 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Lindenwood may be a prime candidate. It can now take men's hockey DI, and it could play in the arena in St Charles, Mo. Womens hockey already plays DI teams, although that sport is officially intercolleegiate, not DI for women. Lindenwood offers a ridiculous number of sports including football, which is probably the holdup.
Lindenwood has to be salivating over the possibility of Belmont leaving the OVC - it would be the perfect landing spot for everything but ice hockey, gymnastics, field hockey, and lacrosse. The OVC could double up with representation on both sides of the Saint Louis market. The conference will still be good in basketball with Murray State and Eastern Kentucky remaining as members. For field hockey App State is still independent, and the MAC may even give Lindenwood a shot. Lacrosse will have plenty of options for a conference, perhaps even a Midwest-based one. Gymnastics has numerous independents including Southeast Missouri State, UIC, and Illinois State, and has the added flexibility of not being limited to dual meets - or perhaps even the Big 12 would cobble something under their banner.

Lindenwood has to spend five years as an active member of Division II before it can apply to Division I. Those five years will be up as of June 30, 2018.
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I read that Long Island-Brooklyn took over C. W. Post, and rebrand it to Long Island-Post. One thing they could do is do what three California schools have done in D3. Merge the 2 sports program in one and rename themselves to be Long Island-Brooklyn-Post. Since Long Island is still D1, Post does not have to upgrade since all of their sports would be under Long Island. The football could be part of Long Island-Brooklyn-Post, and can fit into the NEC football where Long Island-Brooklyn is already is.

Football:
Duquense (invite them as full members)
Central Connecticut State
Robert Morris
Sacred Heart
Saint Francis U.
Wagner
Bryant
Long Islands U.-Brooklyn-Post

All sports would look like this.
Bryant
C. Conn. State
LIU-Brooklyn-Post (would boost the under graduate up big time.)
Mount Saint Mary
Robert Morris
Sacred Heart
St. Francis-Brooklyn
Saint Francis U.
Wagner
Duquense
Saint Joseph's invite as full member.
invite Caldwell as a full member, just started Sprint Football.
Hobart affiliate member.
New Jersey City an affiliate member.
Saint Peter's, NJ an affiliate.

Northeast Conference could look to add New Jersey Tech and Delaware State.

Adelphi, Kutztown, Lock Haven, West Liberty, Merrimack, Bentley, for the northeast conferences looks good.

Bellarmine already have men's LAX in the Southern Conference, and they are starting a women's program to be D1 as well. A-Sun started a D1 LAX sponsorship. Bellarmine could wind up in A-Sun for all sports.

Tampa, Nova Southwestern are 2 schools in Florida have been rumored to go D1. Tampa used to be a D1 school, and had football at the highest level.

OKCU wants back into D1, but they need to visit D2 for 8 years.

Los Angelas State, Colorado Mines, Drury, Erskine, Maryville Tenn., Mississippi College, Newberry, Regis Colo., Tampa, Washburn, West Texas A&M, West Virginia Wesleyan, Arkansas-Monticello, Catawba, some appeared on AP football polls in the past with the FBS big name schools and others were at the highest level in football. Back before the 1950's, it was more inclusion for all schools.
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Where are you guys getting all of this information from? Is it just wishful thinking or is there substance? Bellarmine, Lindenwood, UNA and a whole host of D2 schools have been "rumored" or even fabricated by posters to be moving up to D1. Why would a lot of schools take a financial burden in increased budgets while at the same time take a program hit in recruiting of their revenue sport(s), by not being able to offer recruits NCAA tournament or bowl/playoff participation for 4 years? That's an entire college career with no chance of postseason! Not to mention said team would have to wait and hope for an invite from a prospective conference.

Posters have mentioned a program like Bellarmine to the Horizon League. Moving up to D1 and joining the HL would require an HL arena minimum of at least 5,000 capacity, which they don't have. That will probably add years or more before the move up in order to fund and then build or expand an arena.

If there is actual proof of programs moving up to D1, then by all means share, give us some UPDATES on the status of programs moving up. Until then all of this speculating is nothing more than pipe dreams, giving a sense of false hope and may never ever happen!
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(05-23-2016 04:19 AM)Chuck_A Wrote:  Where are you guys getting all of this information from? Is it just wishful thinking or is there substance? Bellarmine, Lindenwood, UNA and a whole host of D2 schools have been "rumored" or even fabricated by posters to be moving up to D1. Why would a lot of schools take a financial burden in increased budgets while at the same time take a program hit in recruiting of their revenue sport(s), by not being able to offer recruits NCAA tournament or bowl/playoff participation for 4 years? That's an entire college career with no chance of postseason! Not to mention said team would have to wait and hope for an invite from a prospective conference.

Posters have mentioned a program like Bellarmine to the Horizon League. Moving up to D1 and joining the HL would require an HL arena minimum of at least 5,000 capacity, which they don't have. That will probably add years or more before the move up in order to fund and then build or expand an arena.

If there is actual proof of programs moving up to D1, then by all means share, give us some UPDATES on the status of programs moving up. Until then all of this speculating is nothing more than pipe dreams, giving a sense of false hope and may never ever happen!

Newspaper articles. Bellarmine earlier this year mention adding football and women's LAX. In the same article, they mentioned about going to D1/

North Alabama have been in talks right now with OVC and A-Sun about joining. That newspaper article have been posted on this forum just like Bellarmine.
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Could you repost? I'll look though.
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(05-23-2016 06:37 AM)Chuck_A Wrote:  Could you repost? I'll look though.

http://csnbbs.com/thread-749169.html

That was a thread about a year ago with the news article that North Alabama in talks with 2 conferences.

http://laxmagazine.com/college_women/DI/...s_lacrosse

Adding football would be number 20, and women's LAX would be 21. That is more sports than some of the schools at D1 offer. They should go full board and join D1 as a whole.
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No disrespect, but those are more like cursory and/or vetting processes, not anything that's concrete or imminent. Outside of Bellarmine already having its men's Lax team in Division 1, I don't see anything else forthcoming any time soon.
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(05-23-2016 04:11 PM)Chuck_A Wrote:  No disrespect, but those are more like cursory and/or vetting processes, not anything that's concrete or imminent. Outside of Bellarmine already having its men's Lax team in Division 1, I don't see anything else forthcoming any time soon.

Only in David's mind is every freaking school going to D1.
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(05-23-2016 04:11 PM)Chuck_A Wrote:  No disrespect, but those are more like cursory and/or vetting processes, not anything that's concrete or imminent. Outside of Bellarmine already having its men's Lax team in Division 1, I don't see anything else forthcoming any time soon.

With the exception of just a few schools you are probably right. I've heard that Bellarmine fans and supporters are ready for a move to D1, but the Administration has said NO.

Maybe Tarleton State to the Southland.

As long as the Atlantic Sun is greedy over the money that they are receiving from the basketball tourney, they probably just talking not looking for anyone.

As long as the Big South can keep enough for basketball, those members that doesn't play football will block any additional members. As I understand it the Big South is wanting to set up a different Conference just for football only similar to the Missouri Valley Football Conference. If that the case they have to add schools from the MEAC or a few of their schools will need to add football. Then maybe add one or two D2 schools.

Then you would have no where for the D2 other sports to go.
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Former D1 schools that could come back up.

Hardin-Simmons- Border Conference
West Texas A&M-Border Conference and former FBS school.
Trinity Texas
Louisiana College
Southwestern
Colorado Mesa-RMAC
Colorado Mines-RMAC
Western State
Regis
Metro State
Washburn
Maryville, Tenn.
Newberry
Cumberland
Cal. State-LA
Colorado College
Whitman
UAM (got in the AP football poll in the old days for 1 week)
Grinnell
Washington, MO.
Drury
Loyola, NO.
Haskill
Langston
Texas College
Wiley
Cornell , Iowa
Wayne State, Mich.
Beliot
Wabash
Chicago
Case Western
Bellarmine (was at one point, but dropped down.)
Sewanee
Tampa
Swartmore
Erskine
Rhodes
Oglethrope
Mississippi College
Centre
Birmingham Southern
Millsaps
Augusta
North Georgia
Columbus State
Bowdoin
Wesleyan
Williams
Trinity, Conn.
Tufts
Bates
Simpson
Union, Tenn.
Franklin and Marshall
Colby
Washington and Jefferson
Hamilton
Hympdyn-Sydney
Washington and Lee
Lawrance
Carnegie Mellon
NYU
West Virginia Wesleyan
Merchant Marines
MIT
Springfield
Gallaudet (school for the deaf and blind)
Clarkson
New York Tech'
Buffalo State
Suffolk
Bridgewater State
St. Thomas, Minn.
Montclair State
Rowan
Coast Guard
West Chester
Catholic U.
Johns Hopkins
Salisbury
WPI
Cortland State
Depauw
Gettysberg
St. Norbert
Missouri Valley
Catawba
Muhlenburg


That is as far as I got to in my research. This was mainly football that were considered major. I started back at 1900, and work my way up. The history of major colleges and universities have changed in time of what was the make up of what were big name blue blood football members back then to now. Some FBS schools went from Major to small to major again like a Yo-Yo.
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(05-24-2016 09:53 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Former D1 schools that could come back up.

Buffalo State

When was Buff State a D1 school? They are currently a division III school and to the best of my knowledge they have never offered scholarships.
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(05-24-2016 09:53 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Former D1 schools that could come back up.

Buffalo State

When was Buff State a D1 school? They are currently a division III school and to the best of my knowledge they have never offered scholarships.


This was before NCAA went Major and Small University division. Buffalo State like many other D3 schools played football as part of the major schools back then. Most of the schools back then were Independent at the time. This was before there was D3 at the time. Gonzaga had a D1 program at the time, and so have other D1 schools that dropped football at the time.


http://www.jhowell.net/cf/cfindex.htm


This shows the power ratings for schools all the way back when football became first played. A lot of D2, D3, NAIA schools showed up on the list all the up to 1960s.
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DavidSt, I understand how important having Division I athletics is to colleges in the South, and even am bewildered why Arkansas Tech didn't get into the Southland, but that isn't true everywhere. The colleges in the UAA, NESCAC, Northeast 10, and President's Athletic Conference that you listed above have enough history, prestige, and large academic grants to get enough students to come for their academics without needing the large expense of Division I athletics. Also, you don't seem to realize that many of the colleges you like to list are in serious financial trouble and couldn't move up even if they wanted to.
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How about only listing only the ones that are being mention since the NCAA announce that large entrance fee of over a million dollars in 2011. I'm sure some that were thinking about it 10 years ago completely changed after that entrance fee was announced.
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