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D2 Schools As Candidates To Become D1
http://chronicle.augusta.com/sports/coll...1341089704

Here is an article a few years ago about Augusta State and the consolidation of Georgia schools. They merged with Georgia Medical and Health school, and renamed to Augusta University. Columbus State also mentioned they want to move to D1.

Augusta University
Columbus State
cal.-San Diego
Texas A&M-Commerce
Tarleton State
North Alabama
Long Island-Post
Central State, Ohio
Lindenwood
Oklahoma City University
Bellarmine
Lincoln Memorial
West Florida
Francis Marion
Western Washington
West Texas A&M (building a stadium that could be expanding to 22,000 screams to me that they want back into D1.)
Southern Indiana
Valdosta State
North Georgia
UMSL
Delta State
UA-Huntsville
West Georgia
Central Oklahoma
Indiana, Pa.
Kentucky State
CSU-Pueblo
Grand Valley State
Lemoyne
Harding
Belmont Abbey
Wayne State, Mich.
California Baptist
Cal. Poly-Pomona
Arkansas Tech
Alaska
Metro State
Colorado Mesa
Colorado Mines
Dixie State


Northern Kentucky was rumored to go to D1, and then they came out and said they do not have the money to move up and denied the report, and then they got an invite, and they upgraded to D1. even rumors could be possible candidates because the schools do not want to show their cards right away.

Brevard announced that they will be dropping down to D3 while stillman moves to NAIA. Malone is weighing to drop down to D3.

Urbana University have been sold because of financial problems.

BYU-Hawaii dropped all sports.

McMurry stopped their D2 move up.

Marian, Davenport, Purdue-Calumet, Northern New Mexico, Cumberland, Georgetown Kentucky, and Carroll Montana mentioned that they are applying or could apply or reapply to try D2 again.

Lewis and Clark State College could look to move up to D2.

Rogers State could be a D1 candidate plus they mentioned they would look in the future to add football.

U. Texas-Dallas could move up to d2

South Carolina State could move down to D2.
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Kentucky State will never be Division I.

If the Atlantic Sun were smart, they would invite Indiana, Kutztown, and West Chester Universities of Pennsylvania and take over the Big South football league. NJIT would then be secure in a bona fide northern quadrant, Kennesaw State would have no incentive to leave, and losing Lipscomb (Horizon, OVC, whatever) would be no big deal. The South Division schools would be easy flights from Pittsburgh and Philadelphia. The North Division could then be rounded out later with 2 schools from the Northeast 10 (which has some names familiar to hockey fans), or perhaps Delaware State (already playing some Atlantic Sun sports) bolts the MEAC.


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At least he took Dayton off of his delusional list.
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(05-16-2016 11:29 PM)utpotts Wrote:  At least he took Dayton off of his delusional list.

That's because it's in Division 1 already, and therefore doesn't apply to this thread.


I don't think there's any way that Central State will be in Division I unless it merges with Wilberforce, and gets a whole lot more money. They are having so much financial trouble right now that any move in the forseeable future would be unrealistic. Not only that, but it's not like there isn't a cautionary tale in the same county about what happens when Division II success leads to Division I failure. In the 80's, Wright State made the national semifinals or finals in a few different sports multiple times, including winning a Division II men's basketball title in 1983, and being a baseball and soccer DII powerhouse. After moving up to Division I, they've made the NCAA men's basketball tournament twice in 29 years, the women's tournament once, and haven't moved beyond the first weekend in the baseball tournament. I think DavidSt doesn't realize that some schools would rather have successful DII programs that mediocre DI programs.
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Any of those Georgia schools will have a hard time since the USG system is placing caps on athletic subsidies.
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(05-16-2016 07:33 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  http://chronicle.augusta.com/sports/coll...1341089704

Here is an article a few years ago about Augusta State and the consolidation of Georgia schools. They merged with Georgia Medical and Health school, and renamed to Augusta University. Columbus State also mentioned they want to move to D1.

Augusta University
Columbus State
cal.-San Diego
Texas A&M-Commerce
Tarleton State
North Alabama
Long Island-Post
Central State, Ohio
Lindenwood
Oklahoma City University
Bellarmine
Lincoln Memorial
West Florida
Francis Marion
Western Washington
West Texas A&M (building a stadium that could be expanding to 22,000 screams to me that they want back into D1.)
Southern Indiana
Valdosta State
North Georgia
UMSL
Delta State
UA-Huntsville
West Georgia
Central Oklahoma
Indiana, Pa.
Kentucky State
CSU-Pueblo
Grand Valley State
Lemoyne
Harding
Belmont Abbey
Wayne State, Mich.
California Baptist
Cal. Poly-Pomona
Arkansas Tech
Alaska
Metro State
Colorado Mesa
Colorado Mines
Dixie State


Northern Kentucky was rumored to go to D1, and then they came out and said they do not have the money to move up and denied the report, and then they got an invite, and they upgraded to D1. even rumors could be possible candidates because the schools do not want to show their cards right away.

Brevard announced that they will be dropping down to D3 while stillman moves to NAIA. Malone is weighing to drop down to D3.

Urbana University have been sold because of financial problems.

BYU-Hawaii dropped all sports.

McMurry stopped their D2 move up.

Marian, Davenport, Purdue-Calumet, Northern New Mexico, Cumberland, Georgetown Kentucky, and Carroll Montana mentioned that they are applying or could apply or reapply to try D2 again.

Lewis and Clark State College could look to move up to D2.

Rogers State could be a D1 candidate plus they mentioned they would look in the future to add football.

U. Texas-Dallas could move up to d2

South Carolina State could move down to D2.

Central State and Kentucky State is not moving to D1 athletics nor do they have any plans to do so and SC State isn't dropping down to D2.
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(05-17-2016 07:15 AM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  SC State isn't dropping down to D2.

True. They'll play 3 FBS games a year before dropping down.
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UNA has some serious issues in front of it. They would have to double their athletic budget.

They are unlikely to make a jump in the next few years.
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Honestly, wgaf?
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are they all moving to the Big David State Conference as well?
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The Lone Star Conference schools took a hard look at FCS after their numbers dwindle a few years back. Abilene Christian and Incarnate Word leaving put the conference in a hard spot.

Tarleton voiced their interest, has support from university brass, increased their athletic fee and is improving facilities while waiting for an invite.
West Texas A&M has a 20,000 person stadium already and is the lone athletic program in the Amarillo media market (250k population).
Texas A&M-Commerce has new facilities, history with Southland schools and recent success in LSC, growing quickly, and is located just outside of Dallas.

Anglelo State and Midwestern State looked at moves, but would likely only make the jump if the conference dissolved. While they currently have FCS-level facilities and are both located in cities with metro populations of more than 120k, neither really has an interest to move up.

Texas A&M Kingsville is the only odd one. Historically, they would seem like a no brainer for the Southland. 6 football National Titles, 16,000 stadium that is filled on a regular basis, just outside of Corpus Christi. However neither the school nor the existing FCS conferences seem interested in them.
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A handful of years ago there were some rumblings about Washburn (Topeka, KS) thinking about moving up. They've had some pretty solid D2 basketball and I believe have plenty of money should they ever do it. But being as close as they are to both KU/KSU it may complicate things a bit more. I do think they could probably work out well in the Summit or something if they made the move. Their law school has produced some well connected alumni.
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Francis Marion isn't looking to move up to DI
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(05-17-2016 11:02 AM)SubGod22 Wrote:  A handful of years ago there were some rumblings about Washburn (Topeka, KS) thinking about moving up. They've had some pretty solid D2 basketball and I believe have plenty of money should they ever do it. But being as close as they are to both KU/KSU it may complicate things a bit more. I do think they could probably work out well in the Summit or something if they made the move. Their law school has produced some well connected alumni.
Some states have their population concentrated in a small area, so that alone shouldn't be a sticking point. Another state that begins with K that has some history in college basketball is like that.
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(05-17-2016 04:30 AM)dxdtdemon Wrote:  
(05-16-2016 11:29 PM)utpotts Wrote:  At least he took Dayton off of his delusional list.

That's because it's in Division 1 already, and therefore doesn't apply to this thread.


I don't think there's any way that Central State will be in Division I unless it merges with Wilberforce, and gets a whole lot more money. They are having so much financial trouble right now that any move in the forseeable future would be unrealistic. Not only that, but it's not like there isn't a cautionary tale in the same county about what happens when Division II success leads to Division I failure. In the 80's, Wright State made the national semifinals or finals in a few different sports multiple times, including winning a Division II men's basketball title in 1983, and being a baseball and soccer DII powerhouse. After moving up to Division I, they've made the NCAA men's basketball tournament twice in 29 years, the women's tournament once, and haven't moved beyond the first weekend in the baseball tournament. I think DavidSt doesn't realize that some schools would rather have successful DII programs that mediocre DI programs.


I listed schools that either are rumored or have mentioned that they want D1.

Plus, there were plenty of former D2 schools that are now D1 that are having successful being at D1.

Fresno State CCAA and NCAC
Fullerton State CCAA
Long Beach State CCAA
Pacific CCAA and NCAC
Pepperdine CCAA
San Diego State CCAA

Cal-Davis, Cal-Poly, Sacramento State and San Jose State were members as well along with Northridge State.

Howard, North Carolina A&T and NC Central.

Appalachian State Conference Carolina
East Carolina
Western Carolina

GLIAC Oakland
Gulf South: Central Arkansas, Jacksonville State, SE LA., Troy and Tenn.-Martin.
MIAA:Missouri State
Lonestar:Houston, Lamar, Sam Houston State, SFA and Texas State
PWC:Grand Canyon
SIAC:Alabama A&M, Alabama State, Bethune-Cookman, Florida A&M, Jackson State, Tenn. State.
MCAA:Eastern Illinois, Youngstown State, Akron, Northern Iowa
PBC:Kennesaw State, North Florida
Sunshine State:UCF, Nortn Florida
New England:UConn., Maine, New Hampshire, Northeastern
North Central:Creighton, North Dakota, North Dakota State, South Dakota, South Dakota State, Northern Iowa.
Dixie:Samford. Chattanooga, Mercer, Florida State.
NCAC:Fresno State, Saint Mary's, UNR, Pacific.
WVIAC:West Virginia, Marshall
Northeast 10:Quinnipiac
RMAC:BYU, Colorado, Colorado State, Denver, Montana State, Utah, Utah State, Wyoming.
ICC:Butler, Evansville, Indiana State, Valparaiso State
IIC:Butler, Evansville, Indiana State, Valparaiso

Arkansas State, Georgia Southern, Georgia State, La.-Lafayette, La.-Monroe, Texas State, Troy, Coastal Carolina

UCF, UConn., East Carolina, USF, Houston

Florida State, Boston College, Louisville, NC State, Wake Forest, Miami, Virginia, Virginia Tech

Maryland, Rutgers

Oklahoma State, West Virginia

UMass

FAU, FIU, Marshall, Mid. Tenn. State, Charlotte, Old Dominion, Western Kentucky, La. Tech, North Texas, Southern Mississippi, UTEP, UTSA, UAB

Akron, Bowling Green, Kent State, Buffalo, Miami, Ohio, Ball State, CMU, EMU, Northern Illinois, Toledo, W. Michigan,

All of MWC

Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Utah

Cal-Riverside, Cal.- Santa Barbara, Creighton, Denver, Detroit, Dayton, Davidson, Drake,Elon, Fullerton State, Fordham, Hofstra, Georgetown, Illinois State, James Madison, FGCU, Long Beach State, Liberty, Montana State, Murray State, Northridge State, Northeastern, Northern Arizona, Northern Colorado, Portland State, Prairie View, Richmond, Saint Bonaventure, Saint John's NY, Santa Clara, San Francisco, San Diego, Southern Illinois, Tenn. Tech, Texas Southern, Villanova, Weber State, Wichita State, Stony Brook

You could add more from who have success in the money making sports like football, basketball, baseball and so forth. What I listed are the ones who had success in post season play and who won their conference, and titles as national champs.

Remember, Florida State was an all female college. These types of colleges was never part of a major university. They are newer to D1 than most of their brothers except for Louisville.
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(05-17-2016 11:02 AM)SubGod22 Wrote:  A handful of years ago there were some rumblings about Washburn (Topeka, KS) thinking about moving up. They've had some pretty solid D2 basketball and I believe have plenty of money should they ever do it. But being as close as they are to both KU/KSU it may complicate things a bit more. I do think they could probably work out well in the Summit or something if they made the move. Their law school has produced some well connected alumni.


Washburn used to be a D1 program in the MVC. If MVC loses Wichita State? Washburn might get the call for them being in Topeka. They would be one of the handfull of schools that had success from dropping down from the highest level to a lower level and then come back up again. Villanova dropped down to D3, and moved back up, and they won the National Championship this year. Any D2 schools could look at Villanova as an example that they could be successful at D1 if they take the chance and grown into a power school in a sport.
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(05-17-2016 08:21 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(05-17-2016 11:02 AM)SubGod22 Wrote:  A handful of years ago there were some rumblings about Washburn (Topeka, KS) thinking about moving up. They've had some pretty solid D2 basketball and I believe have plenty of money should they ever do it. But being as close as they are to both KU/KSU it may complicate things a bit more. I do think they could probably work out well in the Summit or something if they made the move. Their law school has produced some well connected alumni.


Washburn used to be a D1 program in the MVC. If MVC loses Wichita State? Washburn might get the call for them being in Topeka. They would be one of the handfull of schools that had success from dropping down from the highest level to a lower level and then come back up again. Villanova dropped down to D3, and moved back up, and they won the National Championship this year. Any D2 schools could look at Villanova as an example that they could be successful at D1 if they take the chance and grown into a power school in a sport.

There is no where for an FCS team to go in the Midwest. IMHO, that is what is holding back Grand Valley St and Wayne St, as they have no place to park their football. Both of them would be much better competitors than E Mich, but C Mich and W Mich wouldn't like GVSU. The MVFC is not interested in expanding for DI transition teams. That is why UND went west.
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(05-17-2016 09:17 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  UNA has some serious issues in front of it. They would have to double their athletic budget.

They are unlikely to make a jump in the next few years.

Why would they be pursuing the move then?
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(05-17-2016 10:15 PM)cleburneslim Wrote:  
(05-17-2016 09:17 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  UNA has some serious issues in front of it. They would have to double their athletic budget.

They are unlikely to make a jump in the next few years.

Why would they be pursuing the move then?

There has been a push for it for 7 years now.

UNA needs to do something because where they are now is fairly untenable. They have to spend a lot in travel for little in the way of returns and many classic opponents have moved on.

The problem remains the same though, money. Chief amongst those problems is the fact that to be competitive they will need to double their athletic budget overnight.
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I bet the next moves will be in the A-Sun and WAC footprint.
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