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Quote:Tom Osborne won’t name names. But the iconic former Nebraska Cornhuskers coach and athletic director told Land of 10 Friday that he’s been approached by other schools that have expressed “interest” in joining the Big Ten.

“I don’t want to start jumping into that hornet’s nest where someone’s quoting me as saying, ‘Well, this school ought to join the Big Ten,’ ” Osborne said during a media tour in greater Des Moines to promote his TeamMates mentoring organization.

“I do know people that I’ve talked to in the past who maybe have some interest. And so I think the Big Ten is a viable option.”

Osborne, the Huskers’ coach from 1973 to 1997 and athletic director from 2007 to 2013, helped to shepherd the Big Red from its longtime home in the Big Eight/Big 12 to the Big Ten seven years ago. Nebraska accepted an offer to join the Big Ten in June 2010 and entered the league the following summer.

A slew of talking heads have been connecting some of Osborne’s old sparring partners — namely Oklahoma, Texas and Kansas — with a possible move to the Big Ten for more than a year now.

Osborne politely declined to divulge specific schools and specific questions, but the Big 12 — Nebraska’s old neighborhood — continues to send up the occasional red flag of internal dysfunction. The Dallas-based conference scuttled expansion talks last summer after a dog-and-pony show that reportedly saw a chunk of candidates parade their wares, including, most notably, Houston, Cincinnati and UConn from the American Athletic Conference, and BYU, a football independent.

The Big 12’s grant of media rights deal runs through 2025. The Big Ten’s latest television agreements with FOX, ESPN and CBS reportedly run through 2023.

https://www.landof10.com/nebraska/expans...ig-ten/amp
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Assuming that's true, the top candidates in my head would be Iowa State, Kansas, and Kansas State. All three are close to or within the Big Ten footprint, all three were in the Big 12 with Nebraska, and all three could be left behind and would want to make the connections now in hopes that Texas and company don't make them collateral damage.

I considered UConn and West Virginia but I don't think Osborne would have the connections with them. I think it is known or at least rumored that Oklahoma and Oklahoma State were denied a Big Ten invitation as a pair. I still think that was wise and I don't know why the Big Ten would accept Oklahoma State in almost any scenario.

I used to feel that way about Iowa State and still do for the most part; however, Iowa State would be a pretty good school to have with their support, non-football performance, and academics if Iowa wasn't already in the conference. Their fans support the program despite the product that has been put on the field lately which is amazingly awesome. That's the kind of program everyone should strive for: fans showing up during poor seasons. Isn't that the worry with the big schools, how will fan support be once crap hits the fan? At Iowa State, they still show up and support. I still don't want them in the Big Ten but if they were a necessary add, I wouldn't hate them as I would hate the redundancy.
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I think we're going to end up within the next decade with B1G with the G becoming an 8.

Oklahoma, Kansas, Texas and one more school. I wish it would be either West Virginia (due to Rutgers' long-time love-hate rivalry with them), or if not them Florida State, or Rice for academic reasons and being in Houston to double down in the state of Texas. I don't see Kansas State, Oklahoma State or Baylor even being considered at all unless the B1G and B12 decide to merge all at once to expand to 24 which I doubt would ever happen. Texas Tech I could see if that were the request for Texas joining.
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Many of the SEC fans see Texas going to the SEC, not unlike many Big Ten fans see Texas going to the Big Ten. The problem I see with Texas, Texas Tech (or TCU, Baylor, or whomever Texas wants), Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State to the SEC is that Texas would have a minimal shot at a conference championship, much less a national championship. They'd be following little brother A&M which I imagine would be terrible for the perception of the school so they'd REALLY have to market it differently.

The Big Ten can't give Texas all the friends they want, it would be wise to market the move to the Big Ten as emphasizing Texas as a national brand to differentiate from the regional Texas A&M (southern) and the other schools in lesser conferences (non-SEC). Market the move as bringing the Texas brand to the mid-west and northeast and bringing the mid-west and northeast to Texas. New rivalries will form over time and old ones can be played as non-conference games. Add some conference championships to the state of Texas and allow them to keep the LHN through the end of the current contract with no renewal. I don't think the LHN is as big of a deal as others and it certainly isn't a deal-killer the way an Oklahoma State, Texas Tech/Baylor/TCU? would be as a partner. Rice is a decent alternative and adds a non-threat for the conference championship. I know they are pretty much a non-threat in most sports with a small alumni base and that may be enough to kill their chances but you won't get much better than them in academics and they would significantly improve the Big Ten's baseball which needs help and can anchor the spring sports with lacrosse.

My gut says that it is 60% chance that no moving occurs when the time comes in the mid 2020's. The rest is some combination of Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas moving to either the SEC or Big Ten. I think it is slightly favorable to the Big Ten but you never know. People want to dismiss academics in conference realignment but the schools moving who weren't desperation adds have been at least decent to good academics: Texas A&M, Missouri, Rutgers, Maryland, Nebraska, Colorado, Utah, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, and Syracuse are either AAU, were AAU, or are borderline. Louisville was a back-fill, as was West Virginia and TCU. We'll see what happens.
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http://www.pennlive.com/pennstatefootbal...defec.html
Quote:Every one of the Big Ten’s three expansions so far (Penn State in 1990; Nebraska in 2010; Maryland and Rutgers in 2014) has been to a state contiguous to current B1G members.

Certainly, the two members the Big Ten would like to have are Notre Dame and Texas. But both seem unlikely options. With ACC members locked in through its long-term grant-of-rights agreement, the Big Ten’s fall-back plan could be an expansion on the western front.

Kansas is a member of the Association of American Universities, a consortium of leading academic research schools. Membership has heretofore been a prerequisite for Big Ten invitation.

Funny thing is, Nebraska was an AAU member when it was invited but had its accreditation revoked shortly after jumping from the Big 12 to the Big Ten. It’s been speculated without substantive evidence that former University of Texas president Robert Berdahl (1993-97) who was also the AAU president during the time Nebraska was ejected (2006-11) might have had something to do with it.

Whatever, does the fact that Nebraska has not been an AAU member for six years now change the parameters of a prospective Big Ten addition? Such as, perhaps, Oklahoma – who is not an AAU member?

It’s certainly conceivable that Texas and Oklahoma, the two Big 12 big shots, are quite happy with their existence in a league they can hope to dominate financially and maybe reach the College Football Playoff more easily than from either the SEC or Big Ten.

But what if a 16-team Big Ten essentially became a loose alliance of two 8-team divisions – two leagues within a league?

A prospective Big Ten West with Oklahoma, Kansas, Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Northwestern and Illinois becomes a cohesive Central Time Zone neighborhood that looks like it belongs together.

The Big Ten East, likewise, would be all Eastern Time Zone schools: Purdue, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State, Maryland and Rutgers with a distinctive personality.

But none of that has even a chance of happening unless Kansas does what it clearly aims to do – turn its football program into something not only the folks in Kansas City and Topeka want to watch but fans all over the country.
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(06-25-2017 09:26 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  Many of the SEC fans see Texas going to the SEC, not unlike many Big Ten fans see Texas going to the Big Ten. The problem I see with Texas, Texas Tech (or TCU, Baylor, or whomever Texas wants), Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State to the SEC is that Texas would have a minimal shot at a conference championship, much less a national championship. They'd be following little brother A&M which I imagine would be terrible for the perception of the school so they'd REALLY have to market it differently.

The Big Ten can't give Texas all the friends they want, it would be wise to market the move to the Big Ten as emphasizing Texas as a national brand to differentiate from the regional Texas A&M (southern) and the other schools in lesser conferences (non-SEC). Market the move as bringing the Texas brand to the mid-west and northeast and bringing the mid-west and northeast to Texas. New rivalries will form over time and old ones can be played as non-conference games. Add some conference championships to the state of Texas and allow them to keep the LHN through the end of the current contract with no renewal. I don't think the LHN is as big of a deal as others and it certainly isn't a deal-killer the way an Oklahoma State, Texas Tech/Baylor/TCU? would be as a partner. Rice is a decent alternative and adds a non-threat for the conference championship. I know they are pretty much a non-threat in most sports with a small alumni base and that may be enough to kill their chances but you won't get much better than them in academics and they would significantly improve the Big Ten's baseball which needs help and can anchor the spring sports with lacrosse.

My gut says that it is 60% chance that no moving occurs when the time comes in the mid 2020's. The rest is some combination of Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas moving to either the SEC or Big Ten. I think it is slightly favorable to the Big Ten but you never know. People want to dismiss academics in conference realignment but the schools moving who weren't desperation adds have been at least decent to good academics: Texas A&M, Missouri, Rutgers, Maryland, Nebraska, Colorado, Utah, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, and Syracuse are either AAU, were AAU, or are borderline. Louisville was a back-fill, as was West Virginia and TCU. We'll see what happens.

Find a copy of the LHN contract with ESPN and read it. ESPN controls the deal in a far more airtight arrangement than many would believe. There are provisions that prohibit the move to any other conference, and which prohibit utilizing the LHN as a Big 12 network. They are really tied up until 2031. The rest of them Oklahoma and Kansas are out of their T3 contracts by 2022 and out of the GOR by 2024-5. Anything can happen there.
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https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/college...ve-forward

Quote:2) The law is the law

Eye on Oklahoma.
Norman has been the center of Big 12 discontent among fans and even some regents recent. The Big 12's initial decision -- quickly reversed -- not to restore a year of eligibility for quarterback Baker Mayfield became a flashpoint, Boren said. Boren sounded conciliatory at Big 12 spring meetings invoking a seismic reference, saying "on the Richter scale, [fan sentiment] is more favorable than not."

Asked if Oklahoma's decision to stay or leave at some point could represent a Big 12 tipping point, the 75-year-old Boren said: "I understand that theory. Someone else will probably be the leader of the institution when that time comes. Certainly, nothing is happening in the short run. Obviously, we're committed to the conference. We're legally committed. We keep our word. We're not looking around to break our word."

Not exactly a ringing endorsement of the Big 12's future.
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(07-10-2017 04:36 PM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/college...ve-forward

Quote:2) The law is the law

Eye on Oklahoma.
Norman has been the center of Big 12 discontent among fans and even some regents recent. The Big 12's initial decision -- quickly reversed -- not to restore a year of eligibility for quarterback Baker Mayfield became a flashpoint, Boren said. Boren sounded conciliatory at Big 12 spring meetings invoking a seismic reference, saying "on the Richter scale, [fan sentiment] is more favorable than not."

Asked if Oklahoma's decision to stay or leave at some point could represent a Big 12 tipping point, the 75-year-old Boren said: "I understand that theory. Someone else will probably be the leader of the institution when that time comes. Certainly, nothing is happening in the short run. Obviously, we're committed to the conference. We're legally committed. We keep our word. We're not looking around to break our word."

Not exactly a ringing endorsement of the Big 12's future.

1. We are only here because we are legally bound to be.
2. "We're not looking around to break our word." Well that implies they are looking around for other reasons.
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http://www.pennlive.com/pennstatefootbal...s_201.html

Quote:The small answers are many and complicated. But there is one large one that encompasses them all: People. The Big 12 region is aging and losing population share relative to the rest of the nation.

The conference of the Cornbelt and the Great Plains is shrinking because the land of wide horizons is not adding residents at the same rate as the rest of the country. And that trend has been going on for decades.

But you have to have grown up at least next-door in the little farm communities of the Midwest or in the foothill ranch towns of the Rockies to grasp what’s going on out there in “the nation’s breadbasket.” It’s about where we get our food and how few people are now growing it.

In many ways, Big 12 country was the first to be hit by automation. It was just a crude early form – the massive cultivators and combines and irrigation systems that do what humans used to – or couldn’t do at all – when family farms still existed in abundance. Factory farms use many fewer people, so those residents of little agricultural towns built around wheat and corn farms that used to be the lifeblood of Iowa, Nebraska, Missouri, Kansas, Oklahoma, Colorado and west Texas have seen their populations grow old or leave town for the cities.

Rural-to-urban flight has been a national trend for a century, of course, begun in earnest during the Dust Bowl catastrophe that was centered smack in old Big 8 country. But the population drift toward the ocean and gulf coasts of the East, West and South has not abated and only accelerated in the last 30 to 40 years. Those who remain in the Big 12 region are gravitating toward the few sizable cities – Omaha, Kansas City, Oklahoma City, Tulsa, Dallas-Fort Worth.

The eastern half of Texas remains the only dependable recruiting yard in the entire Big 12 neighborhood. And every Power Five school in the nation tries to raid Texas.

Remember the movie Country with Jessica Lange and Sam Shepard? It was topical in 1984 when family farms were only then really dying out. It’s since become old news; they’re all but dead.

Take a look at rosters from Oklahoma or Nebraska in the 1970s when those programs were national monsters and you saw kids from all over those little towns across the flatlands. You still see them. There are just fewer of them to choose from. And who from outside the heartland is going to want to go to school there with the economy and weather and population trends the way they are?

Reinstating a conference title game isn’t fixing that.
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Granted this is coming from Swaim to take it with a huge bag of salt but since he's in Big XII territory might have some insights into what the schools there are thinking...

WTOP Sports‏Verified account @WTOPSports
Big Ten announces new TV deals with FOX, ESPN and CBS Big Ten announces new TV deals with FOX, ESPN and CBS

GREG SWAIM SHOW‏ @GSwaim Jul 24
GREG SWAIM SHOW Retweeted WTOP Sports

Oklahoma and Kansas ears perk up!!

GREG SWAIM SHOW‏ @GSwaim Jul 24
#Sooners, #KU to #B1G, #OKState, #TexasTech, #KState, #ISU to #Pac12, #WVU into #ACC or #SEC. #UT goes indy, and private schools sweat.

Doug "Bear" Hazard‏ @BearlyDoug
Doug "Bear" Hazard Retweeted GREG SWAIM SHOW

My big fat old ass would find a way to do backflips if WVU came to the SEC.

GREG SWAIM SHOW‏ @GSwaim Jul 25
GREG SWAIM SHOW Retweeted Doug "Bear" Hazard

I'd really like the #Big12 to stay together, expand and get their own network, but that ship has sailed...over a cliff.

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No way OK legislature let's state schools break up.

GREG SWAIM SHOW‏ @GSwaim 18h18 hours ago
GREG SWAIM SHOW Retweeted BoomerBeat

Boren working on getting OU as an AAU accredited member to get into #B1G. OSU won't be able to, KU already is.
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(06-25-2017 01:07 AM)AntiG Wrote:  I think we're going to end up within the next decade with B1G with the G becoming an 8.

Oklahoma, Kansas, Texas and one more school. I wish it would be either West Virginia (due to Rutgers' long-time love-hate rivalry with them), or if not them Florida State, or Rice for academic reasons and being in Houston to double down in the state of Texas. I don't see Kansas State, Oklahoma State or Baylor even being considered at all unless the B1G and B12 decide to merge all at once to expand to 24 which I doubt would ever happen. Texas Tech I could see if that were the request for Texas joining.

I was thinking the exact same thing about WVU. It might not be as far fetched as some might think.

CONS
Not AAU
Less than stellar academics
Not necessarily a cultural fit
Doesn't bring many "eyes" to the TV

PROS
Good athletic pedigree
State flagship school - land grant university
Borders on several current B1G states
Fairly large and passionate fanbase

Just a thought, but if the B1G does decide to become the B18, they could do a lot worse than WVU.
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(07-27-2017 07:05 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(06-25-2017 01:07 AM)AntiG Wrote:  I think we're going to end up within the next decade with B1G with the G becoming an 8.

Oklahoma, Kansas, Texas and one more school. I wish it would be either West Virginia (due to Rutgers' long-time love-hate rivalry with them), or if not them Florida State, or Rice for academic reasons and being in Houston to double down in the state of Texas. I don't see Kansas State, Oklahoma State or Baylor even being considered at all unless the B1G and B12 decide to merge all at once to expand to 24 which I doubt would ever happen. Texas Tech I could see if that were the request for Texas joining.

I was thinking the exact same thing about WVU. It might not be as far fetched as some might think.

CONS
Not AAU
Less than stellar academics
Not necessarily a cultural fit
Doesn't bring many "eyes" to the TV

PROS
Good athletic pedigree
State flagship school - land grant university
Borders on several current B1G states
Fairly large and passionate fanbase

Just a thought, but if the B1G does decide to become the B18, they could do a lot worse than WVU.

Revival of Guidos vs Hillbillies week!

Probably would not ever happen but it would be a great balancing add along with OU, UT and KU.

B1G East
Rutgers
Maryland
Penn State
West Virginia
Ohio State
Michigan
Michigan State
Indiana
Purdue

B1G West
Illinois
Northwestern
Wisconsin
Minnesota
Iowa
Nebraska
Kansas
Oklahoma
Texas
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(07-27-2017 10:09 AM)AntiG Wrote:  
(07-27-2017 07:05 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(06-25-2017 01:07 AM)AntiG Wrote:  I think we're going to end up within the next decade with B1G with the G becoming an 8.

Oklahoma, Kansas, Texas and one more school. I wish it would be either West Virginia (due to Rutgers' long-time love-hate rivalry with them), or if not them Florida State, or Rice for academic reasons and being in Houston to double down in the state of Texas. I don't see Kansas State, Oklahoma State or Baylor even being considered at all unless the B1G and B12 decide to merge all at once to expand to 24 which I doubt would ever happen. Texas Tech I could see if that were the request for Texas joining.

I was thinking the exact same thing about WVU. It might not be as far fetched as some might think.

CONS
Not AAU
Less than stellar academics
Not necessarily a cultural fit
Doesn't bring many "eyes" to the TV

PROS
Good athletic pedigree
State flagship school - land grant university
Borders on several current B1G states
Fairly large and passionate fanbase

Just a thought, but if the B1G does decide to become the B18, they could do a lot worse than WVU.

Revival of Guidos vs Hillbillies week!

Probably would not ever happen but it would be a great balancing add along with OU, UT and KU.

B1G East
Rutgers
Maryland
Penn State
West Virginia
Ohio State
Michigan
Michigan State
Indiana
Purdue

B1G West
Illinois
Northwestern
Wisconsin
Minnesota
Iowa
Nebraska
Kansas
Oklahoma
Texas

Adding WVU would make for some interesting rivalries. Rutgers, PSU, maybe Maryland. Still think they'd make a pretty good add, especially when you consider the contenders pool isn't exactly deep past OU, TX, & KS.

Not to mention, those are a couple of SOLID divisions. Only issue would be only having 1 crossover game per year. 8 division games, 1 crossover, and 3 non-conference, plus the title game. You might have some barking from "traditionalists".
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(07-27-2017 07:05 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(06-25-2017 01:07 AM)AntiG Wrote:  I think we're going to end up within the next decade with B1G with the G becoming an 8.

Oklahoma, Kansas, Texas and one more school. I wish it would be either West Virginia (due to Rutgers' long-time love-hate rivalry with them), or if not them Florida State, or Rice for academic reasons and being in Houston to double down in the state of Texas. I don't see Kansas State, Oklahoma State or Baylor even being considered at all unless the B1G and B12 decide to merge all at once to expand to 24 which I doubt would ever happen. Texas Tech I could see if that were the request for Texas joining.

I was thinking the exact same thing about WVU. It might not be as far fetched as some might think.

CONS
Not AAU
Less than stellar academics
Not necessarily a cultural fit
Doesn't bring many "eyes" to the TV

PROS
Good athletic pedigree
State flagship school - land grant university
Borders on several current B1G states
Fairly large and passionate fanbase

Just a thought, but if the B1G does decide to become the B18, they could do a lot worse than WVU.

I really like the idea of West Virginia in the B1G, ACC, or SEC. I could be wrong, but I believe West Virginia have low academic requirements due to the low academic standards in the State which seems honorable.
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I'm not a fan of West Virginia to the Big Ten. I just don't think they provide what the conference looks for in members and don't fit the academic profile. Athletically, I think they fit the bar but they don't provide anything the conference doesn't already have in market/geography/exposure. They don't bring in any great recruiting territory. I think they would fit great in the SEC from a cultural perspective, especially when paired with Kentucky but I don't think WVU "pays" their way in there (or the Big Ten).

Honestly, if Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas are coming to the Big Ten then just about anyone else can be added and it be a home run. TCU, Rice, UConn, and Missouri would be my choices to fill the last slot assuming the ACC was off limits. All four have their issues but could likely be passed as part of the package with the other three.
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(07-27-2017 05:07 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  I'm not a fan of West Virginia to the Big Ten. I just don't think they provide what the conference looks for in members and don't fit the academic profile. Athletically, I think they fit the bar but they don't provide anything the conference doesn't already have in market/geography/exposure. They don't bring in any great recruiting territory. I think they would fit great in the SEC from a cultural perspective, especially when paired with Kentucky but I don't think WVU "pays" their way in there (or the Big Ten).

Honestly, if Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas are coming to the Big Ten then just about anyone else can be added and it be a home run. TCU, Rice, UConn, and Missouri would be my choices to fill the last slot assuming the ACC was off limits. All four have their issues but could likely be passed as part of the package with the other three.

Understandable regarding West Virginia. I just think they deserve to be in a power conference after the XII. Missouri is likely off the list but could surprise everyone. Connecticut is an okay choice. TCU adds a great market, is solid in football and baseball, but is not AAU. Rice adds a great market, is solid in baseball, and is AAU.
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(07-27-2017 07:02 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(07-27-2017 05:07 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  I'm not a fan of West Virginia to the Big Ten. I just don't think they provide what the conference looks for in members and don't fit the academic profile. Athletically, I think they fit the bar but they don't provide anything the conference doesn't already have in market/geography/exposure. They don't bring in any great recruiting territory. I think they would fit great in the SEC from a cultural perspective, especially when paired with Kentucky but I don't think WVU "pays" their way in there (or the Big Ten).

Honestly, if Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas are coming to the Big Ten then just about anyone else can be added and it be a home run. TCU, Rice, UConn, and Missouri would be my choices to fill the last slot assuming the ACC was off limits. All four have their issues but could likely be passed as part of the package with the other three.

Understandable regarding West Virginia. I just think they deserve to be in a power conference after the XII. Missouri is likely off the list but could surprise everyone. Connecticut is an okay choice. TCU adds a great market, is solid in football and baseball, but is not AAU. Rice adds a great market, is solid in baseball, and is AAU.

I think West Virginia should be in a power conference but they do not fit the Big Ten.

Missouri may check the most boxes of the other tag alongs but they likely won't leave the SEC. Plus they have a ton of baggage going on that needs sorted out.

TCU doesn't have the research but create great synergy with Oklahoma and Texas to make inroads in Texas and specifically Dallas. Rice is comparable with the Texas connection but contrasts TCU academically and athletically but have a much smaller alumni base and fan base. However, they do provide a free win for the rest of the conference but hurt the non-conference performance.

UConn has great basketball as long as they aren't headed into a major slump. This downturn has me worried for them and football has been average at best in their short period with it. Their market should be a major strength and they do have a good fan base. They aren't AAU but I think they would still make it into the package with the others.
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WVU is not a good fit culturally and academically like some of the other candidates (Oklahoma isn't AAU either but it is still among the better public universities nationally). WVU has some strong departments (my parents went there for undergrad in the biotech/engineering and parlayed that to MIT and Harvard PhD programs), so it certainly does carry some respect in the academic world.

Its a shame because they would be a fun fit for the conference otherwise - GREAT fans, geographically a fit, established decades long rivalry with Rutgers where the fans have a ton of fun with each other (hence Guidos vs Hillbillies week) as well as B12 conference relationships with Texas, Oklahoma and Kansas and regional fits with Rutgers, Maryland, OSU and PSU, and are a fantastic addition athletically with strong football and mens and womens basketball and wrestling programs to boot. As a Rutgers fan, they are the #1 former Big East member that I would want in my new conference.
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(07-28-2017 10:11 AM)AntiG Wrote:  WVU is not a good fit culturally and academically like some of the other candidates (Oklahoma isn't AAU either but it is still among the better public universities nationally). WVU has some strong departments (my parents went there for undergrad in the biotech/engineering and parlayed that to MIT and Harvard PhD programs), so it certainly does carry some respect in the academic world.

Its a shame because they would be a fun fit for the conference otherwise - GREAT fans, geographically a fit, established decades long rivalry with Rutgers where the fans have a ton of fun with each other (hence Guidos vs Hillbillies week) as well as B12 conference relationships with Texas, Oklahoma and Kansas and regional fits with Rutgers, Maryland, OSU and PSU, and are a fantastic addition athletically with strong football and mens and womens basketball and wrestling programs to boot. As a Rutgers fan, they are the #1 former Big East member that I would want in my new conference.

Excellent points once again.

While I wouldn't consider WVU to be by number one target, I still think that if the B1G were to hit the expansion lottery and land TX, OU, and KS, they'd be a great 4th team to round up to 18.

I suppose you could hold out hope that UVA or one of the other ACC schools could go rouge, but being realistic, that ain't happening.

I saw a couple of suggestions made about UConn, Rice, or TCU. OK, you might get a bit of a market expansion with UConn, but that's about it. What would Rice bring to the table that WVU wouldn't other than a "W" for Rutgers (no offense to our Scarlet Knight friends). If TX were to go B1G, you'd already have the TX market so Rice/TCU would be irrelevant.

Seems to me that given the winning the lottery scenario, WVU would be a nice addition from not only a rivalry stand point, but a competition one as well.
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I don't think any school, or at least any FBS school could drag down the package of Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas to be not worth it as a fourth school. Having said that, there are better options that further enhance the three-pack.

I don't think WVU would add much to the profile of the conference. The market/geographic profile of the school doesn't add anything to the conference; Penn State, Maryland, and Ohio State all bleed into West Virginia. Maybe there would be additional coverage in Virginia but I don't know if that would be worth it. The Big Ten market is saturated there where there would be diminishing returns and the recruiting would be poor.

TCU and Rice may double up in Texas but at least Texas is the second most populated state. TCU doesn't have the research and Rice doesn't have the fans/alumni/support and sport performance but at least they would give everyone another opportunity to be seen in Texas. UT would like want another Texas school to get more games within the state. They will be leaving the Big 12 which currently guarantees them at least five games in Texas and that's if they don't play TCU, Baylor, or Texas Tech on the road. Recruiting could really be hit hard for them if they join a "mid-western" conference like the Big Ten and adding another Texas school and Oklahoma with them could counter the drop.
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