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OU & KU in B1G
That's actually an awesome idea for B1G expansion. Split each division in two to create cross division rivals. The rivals play each other on a biennial basis. Rivals could look like this:

Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State and Penn State from the East are matched up against Iowa, Nebraska, Oklahoma, and Wisconsin from the West.

Indiana, Maryland, Purdue and Rutgers from the East matchup against Illinois, Kansas, Minnesota and Northwestern from the West.

Heck if in 20 years some duds become studs rivals can be changed. Otherwise this optimizes B1G football match ups as the article explained. When the CFB playoff expand to 6 or 8 and the P5 conference champions get automatic bids, I could see scheduling like this becoming more prevalent as conferences try to optimize high profile match ups that maximize TV viewership.

B1G expansion will hinge on whether the Big 12 signs a GOR extension with expansion. If so, OU and KU are never coming to the B1G. If not, anything is possible in the early 2020s.
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http://www.1500espn.com/shows/saturday-sportstalk/

More "off-season banter" (I put it in quotes since college baseball is still ongoing) but Saturday SportsTalk in Minnesota mentions OU to the Big Ten within five years. Start at 20:30
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(04-09-2017 12:07 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  http://www.1500espn.com/shows/saturday-sportstalk/

More "off-season banter" (I put it in quotes since college baseball is still ongoing) but Saturday SportsTalk in Minnesota mentions OU to the Big Ten within five years. Start at 20:30

So I listened to this. Are these guys connected to the B1G in ANY way? I'm guessing that this more desire/speculation than anything concrete. OU seems somewhat feasible but I think they don't give enough thought about integrating the LHN into the B1G. Not impossible but certainly not easy. Your "off-season banter" statement is probably correct. KU seems like a much more likely partner than Texas but we shall see what happens.

Reading back though this thread is amusing. It's been about 11 months since the OP. How things change...how things stay the same.
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(04-09-2017 12:07 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  http://www.1500espn.com/shows/saturday-sportstalk/

More "off-season banter" (I put it in quotes since college baseball is still ongoing) but Saturday SportsTalk in Minnesota mentions OU to the Big Ten within five years. Start at 20:30

Texas and Oklahoma, they said.
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(04-10-2017 10:13 AM)AntiG Wrote:  
(04-09-2017 12:07 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  http://www.1500espn.com/shows/saturday-sportstalk/

More "off-season banter" (I put it in quotes since college baseball is still ongoing) but Saturday SportsTalk in Minnesota mentions OU to the Big Ten within five years. Start at 20:30

Texas and Oklahoma, they said.

This stuff came up because of Lee Corso's remarks at a Houston speaking opportunity he had. Somebody asked him about further realignment within the P5 and he said that he wouldn't be surprised if Texas and Oklahoma left the Big 12 in 4-5 years and did what A&M did. He wasn't referring to the SEC, just to leaving.

Well the press guys took this and added their own spin to it with Scott speculating they would go the SEC or Big 10, another guy I didn't know remarking about the Big 10, a third one speculating that Texas would head to the PAC and OU would head to the SEC, etc. etc. I think these guys in Minneapolis/St.Paul had picked up on one of these spin off stories and remarked about it. Flug did the same.

Corso was merely pointing out that OU and UT had no real peers in the Big 12 and if the rest of them wouldn't cooperate those two would bolt. That's the whole story with no spin.

I could see the Big 10 being interested in both as would any conference. But I seriously doubt that ESPN will let Bevo off of his tether. OU on the other hand is pretty much free to move anywhere.

The rumors I never bought were about Kansas to the Big 10 with Oklahoma. Given the fact that the Big 10 essentially already has most Kansas markets why would you buy the cow if you can steal the milk. Furthermore the Big 10 needs football cred not basketball cred and they will still prefer larger markets. At least OU is national somewhat in following and would be a strong brand to add to Nebraska in the West. Kansas was 81st in the FBS in attendance at football games last year average 25,000 in attendance. Folks U Conn beat that by 2,000 per game. I just don't see the Big 10 taking on Kansas in spite of them being a major basketball brand (something you don't need) and then suffering through another major hamstring in attendance that would make Rutger's numbers look phenomenal.

Here's the latest data although the financial figures are still stale by a year (it will be April of 2018 before the 2016-7 fiscal figure are released) but these are the mot current.

The mean averages for gross total revenue:

SEC: $121,000,000
B1G: $108,000,000
B12: $102,000,000
PAC: $ 89,000,000
ACC: $ 87,000,000

The mean attendance averages:

SEC: 77,000
B1G: 66,000
B12: 57,000
PAC: 50,000
ACC: 49,000

Face it guys the revenue and attendance gaps are growing. The Big 10 will get a 5 million boost in TV revenue per school from FOX next year so that gap with the SEC will shrink by about half. Your attendance totals were always within about 4 or 5 thousand of ours until you added Maryland and Rutgers. Their attendance numbers sank you conference average by about 6,000 per game.

I make these point to say this: Why on earth would the Big 10 want to tank those attendance numbers significantly more for Kansas to add a product they already have, and to pick up a state smaller than Iowa and one in which they already have the carriage?

I think that both the SEC and Big 10 would obviously be interested in OU an UT if they were ever serious about moving. But, both of us could truly further our goals out of the ACC. Yeah they are tied up until 2034 with a GOR. But look at the differences in MEANS. They are 34 million behind the SEC in MEAN Gross Total Revenue and 21 million behind the B1G. They don't earn enough to attract N.D. all in so future Irish affiliation remains in some doubt. The revenue of the B1G and SEC has an accretion of about 3% per year. Will will be up 6% irrespective of contract renewals before they get the network operational. The accretion of the BTN and SECN will outpace that of the ACC when they are up and running.

My point is the ACC's GOR expires in 2034. With a 10 year differential of 210 million with the Big 10 and 340 million with the SEC in total revenue the top brands of the ACC will be facing some massive questions about their business models before long. As our gap with them grows the profitability of buying out the remaining GOR will be a matter that is very doable by 2025.

I have to wonder if either of our conferences will want to pounce on anyone other than OU and UT prior to that time.
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RE: OU & KU in B1G
(04-11-2017 04:02 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(04-10-2017 10:13 AM)AntiG Wrote:  
(04-09-2017 12:07 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  http://www.1500espn.com/shows/saturday-sportstalk/

More "off-season banter" (I put it in quotes since college baseball is still ongoing) but Saturday SportsTalk in Minnesota mentions OU to the Big Ten within five years. Start at 20:30

Texas and Oklahoma, they said.

This stuff came up because of Lee Corso's remarks at a Houston speaking opportunity he had. Somebody asked him about further realignment within the P5 and he said that he wouldn't be surprised if Texas and Oklahoma left the Big 12 in 4-5 years and did what A&M did. He wasn't referring to the SEC, just to leaving.

Well the press guys took this and added their own spin to it with Scott speculating they would go the SEC or Big 10, another guy I didn't know remarking about the Big 10, a third one speculating that Texas would head to the PAC and OU would head to the SEC, etc. etc. I think these guys in Minneapolis/St.Paul had picked up on one of these spin off stories and remarked about it. Flug did the same.

Corso was merely pointing out that OU and UT had no real peers in the Big 12 and if the rest of them wouldn't cooperate those two would bolt. That's the whole story with no spin.

I could see the Big 10 being interested in both as would any conference. But I seriously doubt that ESPN will let Bevo off of his tether. OU on the other hand is pretty much free to move anywhere.

The rumors I never bought were about Kansas to the Big 10 with Oklahoma. Given the fact that the Big 10 essentially already has most Kansas markets why would you buy the cow if you can steal the milk. Furthermore the Big 10 needs football cred not basketball cred and they will still prefer larger markets. At least OU is national somewhat in following and would be a strong brand to add to Nebraska in the West. Kansas was 81st in the FBS in attendance at football games last year average 25,000 in attendance. Folks U Conn beat that by 2,000 per game. I just don't see the Big 10 taking on Kansas in spite of them being a major basketball brand (something you don't need) and then suffering through another major hamstring in attendance that would make Rutger's numbers look phenomenal.

Here's the latest data although the financial figures are still stale by a year (it will be April of 2018 before the 2016-7 fiscal figure are released) but these are the mot current.

The mean averages for gross total revenue:

SEC: $121,000,000
B1G: $108,000,000
B12: $102,000,000
PAC: $ 89,000,000
ACC: $ 87,000,000

The mean attendance averages:

SEC: 77,000
B1G: 66,000
B12: 57,000
PAC: 50,000
ACC: 49,000

Face it guys the revenue and attendance gaps are growing. The Big 10 will get a 5 million boost in TV revenue per school from FOX next year so that gap with the SEC will shrink by about half. Your attendance totals were always within about 4 or 5 thousand of ours until you added Maryland and Rutgers. Their attendance numbers sank you conference average by about 6,000 per game.

I make these point to say this: Why on earth would the Big 10 want to tank those attendance numbers significantly more for Kansas to add a product they already have, and to pick up a state smaller than Iowa and one in which they already have the carriage?

I think that both the SEC and Big 10 would obviously be interested in OU an UT if they were ever serious about moving. But, both of us could truly further our goals out of the ACC. Yeah they are tied up until 2034 with a GOR. But look at the differences in MEANS. They are 34 million behind the SEC in MEAN Gross Total Revenue and 21 million behind the B1G. They don't earn enough to attract N.D. all in so future Irish affiliation remains in some doubt. The revenue of the B1G and SEC has an accretion of about 3% per year. Will will be up 6% irrespective of contract renewals before they get the network operational. The accretion of the BTN and SECN will outpace that of the ACC when they are up and running.

My point is the ACC's GOR expires in 2034. With a 10 year differential of 210 million with the Big 10 and 340 million with the SEC in total revenue the top brands of the ACC will be facing some massive questions about their business models before long. As our gap with them grows the profitability of buying out the remaining GOR will be a matter that is very doable by 2025.

I have to wonder if either of our conferences will want to pounce on anyone other than OU and UT prior to that time.
The tv marketplace for both OU and k are not very large.
OU is not AAU.
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(04-12-2017 04:13 AM)ctx48c Wrote:  
(04-11-2017 04:02 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(04-10-2017 10:13 AM)AntiG Wrote:  
(04-09-2017 12:07 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  http://www.1500espn.com/shows/saturday-sportstalk/

More "off-season banter" (I put it in quotes since college baseball is still ongoing) but Saturday SportsTalk in Minnesota mentions OU to the Big Ten within five years. Start at 20:30

Texas and Oklahoma, they said.

This stuff came up because of Lee Corso's remarks at a Houston speaking opportunity he had. Somebody asked him about further realignment within the P5 and he said that he wouldn't be surprised if Texas and Oklahoma left the Big 12 in 4-5 years and did what A&M did. He wasn't referring to the SEC, just to leaving.

Well the press guys took this and added their own spin to it with Scott speculating they would go the SEC or Big 10, another guy I didn't know remarking about the Big 10, a third one speculating that Texas would head to the PAC and OU would head to the SEC, etc. etc. I think these guys in Minneapolis/St.Paul had picked up on one of these spin off stories and remarked about it. Flug did the same.

Corso was merely pointing out that OU and UT had no real peers in the Big 12 and if the rest of them wouldn't cooperate those two would bolt. That's the whole story with no spin.

I could see the Big 10 being interested in both as would any conference. But I seriously doubt that ESPN will let Bevo off of his tether. OU on the other hand is pretty much free to move anywhere.

The rumors I never bought were about Kansas to the Big 10 with Oklahoma. Given the fact that the Big 10 essentially already has most Kansas markets why would you buy the cow if you can steal the milk. Furthermore the Big 10 needs football cred not basketball cred and they will still prefer larger markets. At least OU is national somewhat in following and would be a strong brand to add to Nebraska in the West. Kansas was 81st in the FBS in attendance at football games last year average 25,000 in attendance. Folks U Conn beat that by 2,000 per game. I just don't see the Big 10 taking on Kansas in spite of them being a major basketball brand (something you don't need) and then suffering through another major hamstring in attendance that would make Rutger's numbers look phenomenal.

Here's the latest data although the financial figures are still stale by a year (it will be April of 2018 before the 2016-7 fiscal figure are released) but these are the mot current.

The mean averages for gross total revenue:

SEC: $121,000,000
B1G: $108,000,000
B12: $102,000,000
PAC: $ 89,000,000
ACC: $ 87,000,000

The mean attendance averages:

SEC: 77,000
B1G: 66,000
B12: 57,000
PAC: 50,000
ACC: 49,000

Face it guys the revenue and attendance gaps are growing. The Big 10 will get a 5 million boost in TV revenue per school from FOX next year so that gap with the SEC will shrink by about half. Your attendance totals were always within about 4 or 5 thousand of ours until you added Maryland and Rutgers. Their attendance numbers sank you conference average by about 6,000 per game.

I make these point to say this: Why on earth would the Big 10 want to tank those attendance numbers significantly more for Kansas to add a product they already have, and to pick up a state smaller than Iowa and one in which they already have the carriage?

I think that both the SEC and Big 10 would obviously be interested in OU an UT if they were ever serious about moving. But, both of us could truly further our goals out of the ACC. Yeah they are tied up until 2034 with a GOR. But look at the differences in MEANS. They are 34 million behind the SEC in MEAN Gross Total Revenue and 21 million behind the B1G. They don't earn enough to attract N.D. all in so future Irish affiliation remains in some doubt. The revenue of the B1G and SEC has an accretion of about 3% per year. Will will be up 6% irrespective of contract renewals before they get the network operational. The accretion of the BTN and SECN will outpace that of the ACC when they are up and running.

My point is the ACC's GOR expires in 2034. With a 10 year differential of 210 million with the Big 10 and 340 million with the SEC in total revenue the top brands of the ACC will be facing some massive questions about their business models before long. As our gap with them grows the profitability of buying out the remaining GOR will be a matter that is very doable by 2025.

I have to wonder if either of our conferences will want to pounce on anyone other than OU and UT prior to that time.
The tv marketplace for both OU and k are not very large.
OU is not AAU.

That's true. One is about 3 million and the other a little over 3 and half million. But OU is a national draw for football so their ratings numbers exceed what just their state gives them. My point about Kansas is that the Big 10 draws the majority of viewer from that state already. So while OU is not AAU there is an upside value to that school's athletic programs. Kansas has a national following in hoops, but that only accounts for about 15% of most conference revenue totals. Because of that, and because I don't think the presidents of the Big 10 are fools, I just don't buy any rumor that has OU and KU headed to the Big 10.

The talk reminds me of the Missouri talk when the Big 10 was obviously looking East. I think they still are looking East.

I may be wrong but to me the best possible outcome in realignment for the Big 10 would be a 20 school conference in which all of their newest additions except for Nebraska were in the East (plus Purdue), and all of their traditional members were in the West (except for Nebraska). That restores virtually all of the rivalries, gives comfort to Minnesota and Wisconsin, and permits an extremely nice grouping in the East. Land North Carolina, Virginia, Pittsburgh, Duke, Notre Dame, and possibly Syracuse and you have it. There's proximity, familiarity, and the only two non AAU are N.D. which the Big 10 has already stated would have an exemption from the requirement and Syracuse which only recently lost the status. Maryland and Rutgers and Penn State would blend exceedingly well with most of those.
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(04-12-2017 11:11 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(04-12-2017 04:13 AM)ctx48c Wrote:  
(04-11-2017 04:02 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(04-10-2017 10:13 AM)AntiG Wrote:  
(04-09-2017 12:07 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  http://www.1500espn.com/shows/saturday-sportstalk/

More "off-season banter" (I put it in quotes since college baseball is still ongoing) but Saturday SportsTalk in Minnesota mentions OU to the Big Ten within five years. Start at 20:30

Texas and Oklahoma, they said.

This stuff came up because of Lee Corso's remarks at a Houston speaking opportunity he had. Somebody asked him about further realignment within the P5 and he said that he wouldn't be surprised if Texas and Oklahoma left the Big 12 in 4-5 years and did what A&M did. He wasn't referring to the SEC, just to leaving.

Well the press guys took this and added their own spin to it with Scott speculating they would go the SEC or Big 10, another guy I didn't know remarking about the Big 10, a third one speculating that Texas would head to the PAC and OU would head to the SEC, etc. etc. I think these guys in Minneapolis/St.Paul had picked up on one of these spin off stories and remarked about it. Flug did the same.

Corso was merely pointing out that OU and UT had no real peers in the Big 12 and if the rest of them wouldn't cooperate those two would bolt. That's the whole story with no spin.

I could see the Big 10 being interested in both as would any conference. But I seriously doubt that ESPN will let Bevo off of his tether. OU on the other hand is pretty much free to move anywhere.

The rumors I never bought were about Kansas to the Big 10 with Oklahoma. Given the fact that the Big 10 essentially already has most Kansas markets why would you buy the cow if you can steal the milk. Furthermore the Big 10 needs football cred not basketball cred and they will still prefer larger markets. At least OU is national somewhat in following and would be a strong brand to add to Nebraska in the West. Kansas was 81st in the FBS in attendance at football games last year average 25,000 in attendance. Folks U Conn beat that by 2,000 per game. I just don't see the Big 10 taking on Kansas in spite of them being a major basketball brand (something you don't need) and then suffering through another major hamstring in attendance that would make Rutger's numbers look phenomenal.

Here's the latest data although the financial figures are still stale by a year (it will be April of 2018 before the 2016-7 fiscal figure are released) but these are the mot current.

The mean averages for gross total revenue:

SEC: $121,000,000
B1G: $108,000,000
B12: $102,000,000
PAC: $ 89,000,000
ACC: $ 87,000,000

The mean attendance averages:

SEC: 77,000
B1G: 66,000
B12: 57,000
PAC: 50,000
ACC: 49,000

Face it guys the revenue and attendance gaps are growing. The Big 10 will get a 5 million boost in TV revenue per school from FOX next year so that gap with the SEC will shrink by about half. Your attendance totals were always within about 4 or 5 thousand of ours until you added Maryland and Rutgers. Their attendance numbers sank you conference average by about 6,000 per game.

I make these point to say this: Why on earth would the Big 10 want to tank those attendance numbers significantly more for Kansas to add a product they already have, and to pick up a state smaller than Iowa and one in which they already have the carriage?

I think that both the SEC and Big 10 would obviously be interested in OU an UT if they were ever serious about moving. But, both of us could truly further our goals out of the ACC. Yeah they are tied up until 2034 with a GOR. But look at the differences in MEANS. They are 34 million behind the SEC in MEAN Gross Total Revenue and 21 million behind the B1G. They don't earn enough to attract N.D. all in so future Irish affiliation remains in some doubt. The revenue of the B1G and SEC has an accretion of about 3% per year. Will will be up 6% irrespective of contract renewals before they get the network operational. The accretion of the BTN and SECN will outpace that of the ACC when they are up and running.

My point is the ACC's GOR expires in 2034. With a 10 year differential of 210 million with the Big 10 and 340 million with the SEC in total revenue the top brands of the ACC will be facing some massive questions about their business models before long. As our gap with them grows the profitability of buying out the remaining GOR will be a matter that is very doable by 2025.

I have to wonder if either of our conferences will want to pounce on anyone other than OU and UT prior to that time.
The tv marketplace for both OU and k are not very large.
OU is not AAU.

That's true. One is about 3 million and the other a little over 3 and half million. But OU is a national draw for football so their ratings numbers exceed what just their state gives them. My point about Kansas is that the Big 10 draws the majority of viewer from that state already. So while OU is not AAU there is an upside value to that school's athletic programs. Kansas has a national following in hoops, but that only accounts for about 15% of most conference revenue totals. Because of that, and because I don't think the presidents of the Big 10 are fools, I just don't buy any rumor that has OU and KU headed to the Big 10.

The talk reminds me of the Missouri talk when the Big 10 was obviously looking East. I think they still are looking East.

I may be wrong but to me the best possible outcome in realignment for the Big 10 would be a 20 school conference in which all of their newest additions except for Nebraska were in the East (plus Purdue), and all of their traditional members were in the West (except for Nebraska). That restores virtually all of the rivalries, gives comfort to Minnesota and Wisconsin, and permits an extremely nice grouping in the East. Land North Carolina, Virginia, Pittsburgh, Duke, Notre Dame, and possibly Syracuse and you have it. There's proximity, familiarity, and the only two non AAU are N.D. which the Big 10 has already stated would have an exemption from the requirement and Syracuse which only recently lost the status. Maryland and Rutgers and Penn State would blend exceedingly well with most of those.

The Big10 will do whatever puts their brands in front of more people and brings them the most money. Eastern expansion would be great for the Big10, but does it bring what Texas and Oklahoma does? Texas would bring a huge state, more than NC and Virginia combined. The national appeal of Texas - Michigan or Oklahoma - OSU would be huge. The renewal of an annual Oklahoma - Nebraska rivalry would be appealing as well. By going East with six, you effectively shut down any new expansion with schools that just don't bring that much to the table (Pitt and Syracuse). Purdue is also shoved aside in your scenario. They would be effectively pushed out of the original Big10. Unless the Big10'expanded to 10 conference games, they would never play and other original Big10 schools.

I agree, Oklahoma and Kansas probably don't enough to the table. Texas and Oklahoma (or just about any large state school with a decent academic/research reputation) would be a hit. The two biggest prizes for the Big10 have always been Texas and ND. If Texas is interested in the Big10 (I'm not saying they are), they are attainable in six or seven years. Unless the ACC folds (which I don't think ESPN will let it), it's at least 17 years before ND, UNC and Virginia could be part of the Big10.
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Academics matter a lot to the B1G. All members were in the Association of American Universities when they joined in the recent past. Nebraska was expelled, and told they wouldn't have been accepted without it. When looking at expansion candidates, look there for potential adds. Kansas could be added. Oklahoma wouldn't make it. Other options would then be Texas and North Carolina. Less likely targets could be Iowa State, Rice and Tulane, or the completely out there ideas of Buffalo or Toronto.
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(04-15-2017 11:51 AM)PK_UToledo Wrote:  Academics matter a lot to the B1G. All members were in the Association of American Universities when they joined in the recent past. Nebraska was expelled, and told they wouldn't have been accepted without it. When looking at expansion candidates, look there for potential adds. Kansas could be added. Oklahoma wouldn't make it. Other options would then be Texas and North Carolina. Less likely targets could be Iowa State, Rice and Tulane, or the completely out there ideas of Buffalo or Toronto.

AAU is important, but it's not a mandatory. When UMD and Rutgers were admitted to the Big10, Jim Delaney was asked about having AAU status and being contingent to the other Big10 schools. His comment was something like this (I'm paraphrasing as I can't find the article). Yes, you start with those and find schools that fit those components. If you can't find those, you move outward. He also mentioned something like the Big10 presidents saying he had an open invitation to ask any school that was contingent and AAU. Any other school had to be brought to the presidents to get the OK to start discussions.

Notre Dame was courted for how many years and they aren't AAU and probably never will be. Texas means just as much money and exposure as ND (probably more) and if Oklahoma is the cost of getting Texas, my guess is they will.
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(04-15-2017 01:18 PM)dayooper Wrote:  
(04-15-2017 11:51 AM)PK_UToledo Wrote:  Academics matter a lot to the B1G. All members were in the Association of American Universities when they joined in the recent past. Nebraska was expelled, and told they wouldn't have been accepted without it. When looking at expansion candidates, look there for potential adds. Kansas could be added. Oklahoma wouldn't make it. Other options would then be Texas and North Carolina. Less likely targets could be Iowa State, Rice and Tulane, or the completely out there ideas of Buffalo or Toronto.

AAU is important, but it's not a mandatory. When UMD and Rutgers were admitted to the Big10, Jim Delaney was asked about having AAU status and being contingent to the other Big10 schools. His comment was something like this (I'm paraphrasing as I can't find the article). Yes, you start with those and find schools that fit those components. If you can't find those, you move outward. He also mentioned something like the Big10 presidents saying he had an open invitation to ask any school that was contingent and AAU. Any other school had to be brought to the presidents to get the OK to start discussions.

Notre Dame was courted for how many years and they aren't AAU and probably never will be. Texas means just as much money and exposure as ND (probably more) and if Oklahoma is the cost of getting Texas, my guess is they will.

Delany was given permission to invite any school that was contiguous and AAU. And you do realize that the contract on the LHN with ESPN runs until 2031? ESPN essentially gave Texas 15 million a year to keep them away from FOX for 20 years. The GOR is up in 7, and negotiations of those schools to leave will begin around the Summer of 2022. I seriously doubt Texas will be greenlighted to the Big 10. By 2025 Fox's T3 with Oklahoma will have expired and ESPN's T3 with Kansas will have expired. But both could easily be bought out. Both were roughly for 7 million a year, but the schools fronted the overhead so they only netted about 3 million each.

As for the ACC 100% of their rights belong to ESPN if ESPN decided to allow them out of it movement could occur with a vote to dissolve which requires 12 votes. It would be relatively easy to place 13 of them. Wake has even felt conflicted about paying stipends should that begin.

Any ACC schools moving to the Big 10 would earn about 15 million more a year in TV revenue and increased gate and for content value. The figure would be 20 million for those moving to the SEC. But more importantly any moving to the Big 12 would earn about 10 million more.

So if ESPN could reduce overhead for say 9 of the ACC schools, expand product availability, increase the value of the 4.5 billion dollar SECN, not have to start an ACCN, convert a money loser in the LHN into a profitable B12N and increase their content from the Big 10, why wouldn't they consider it? And if Notre Dame remained partially theirs in either the Big 10 or Big 12 what have they lost?

Now if 12 or more ACC schools can earn an extra 100 million or much more, in the next decade wouldn't you think they might be interested? 12 votes dissolves the conference and ends the GOR with ESPN's blessing. Then the exit fees (not GOR penalties) go to Wake and Boston College or perhaps another. They move to the AAC with the biggest war chest they would ever have.

It's something to think about.
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(04-15-2017 11:09 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(04-15-2017 01:18 PM)dayooper Wrote:  
(04-15-2017 11:51 AM)PK_UToledo Wrote:  Academics matter a lot to the B1G. All members were in the Association of American Universities when they joined in the recent past. Nebraska was expelled, and told they wouldn't have been accepted without it. When looking at expansion candidates, look there for potential adds. Kansas could be added. Oklahoma wouldn't make it. Other options would then be Texas and North Carolina. Less likely targets could be Iowa State, Rice and Tulane, or the completely out there ideas of Buffalo or Toronto.

AAU is important, but it's not a mandatory. When UMD and Rutgers were admitted to the Big10, Jim Delaney was asked about having AAU status and being contingent to the other Big10 schools. His comment was something like this (I'm paraphrasing as I can't find the article). Yes, you start with those and find schools that fit those components. If you can't find those, you move outward. He also mentioned something like the Big10 presidents saying he had an open invitation to ask any school that was contingent and AAU. Any other school had to be brought to the presidents to get the OK to start discussions.

Notre Dame was courted for how many years and they aren't AAU and probably never will be. Texas means just as much money and exposure as ND (probably more) and if Oklahoma is the cost of getting Texas, my guess is they will.

Delany was given permission to invite any school that was contiguous and AAU. And you do realize that the contract on the LHN with ESPN runs until 2031? ESPN essentially gave Texas 15 million a year to keep them away from FOX for 20 years. The GOR is up in 7, and negotiations of those schools to leave will begin around the Summer of 2022. I seriously doubt Texas will be greenlighted to the Big 10. By 2025 Fox's T3 with Oklahoma will have expired and ESPN's T3 with Kansas will have expired. But both could easily be bought out. Both were roughly for 7 million a year, but the schools fronted the overhead so they only netted about 3 million each.

As for the ACC 100% of their rights belong to ESPN if ESPN decided to allow them out of it movement could occur with a vote to dissolve which requires 12 votes. It would be relatively easy to place 13 of them. Wake has even felt conflicted about paying stipends should that begin.

Any ACC schools moving to the Big 10 would earn about 15 million more a year in TV revenue and increased gate and for content value. The figure would be 20 million for those moving to the SEC. But more importantly any moving to the Big 12 would earn about 10 million more.

So if ESPN could reduce overhead for say 9 of the ACC schools, expand product availability, increase the value of the 4.5 billion dollar SECN, not have to start an ACCN, convert a money loser in the LHN into a profitable B12N and increase their content from the Big 10, why wouldn't they consider it? And if Notre Dame remained partially theirs in either the Big 10 or Big 12 what have they lost?

Now if 12 or more ACC schools can earn an extra 100 million or much more, in the next decade wouldn't you think they might be interested? 12 votes dissolves the conference and ends the GOR with ESPN's blessing. Then the exit fees (not GOR penalties) go to Wake and Boston College or perhaps another. They move to the AAC with the biggest war chest they would ever have.

It's something to think about.

Hmmmm . . . Anything is possible, but why would ESPN continually up the ante with the ACC? I have my doubts about an over the top ACCN our how much it will make, but why would ESPN keep giving them more money to stay together? Where would nine ACC schools go?

Big10 would want UNC, UVA and maybe GT. The SEC would want UNC and UVA and maybe Pitt. The rest would have to go to the Big12 and I'm not sure that they would give up the security of the ACC for the Big12. I don't see the nine votes to dissolve.

The LHN is no problem; Texas keeps it. The Big10 still gets their brands into the state of Texas. They still get to charge more than they did without any school in a Texas and they don't have to pay Texas a dime from the BTN. The Big10 just splits their share. And whose to say that ESPN and/or Texas wants to keep the LHN? ESPN is bleeding money so the LHN might look good coming off of their books. They already have the state of Texas with TAMU so keeping Texas away from Fox isn't as important as it was. TAMU has established itself within the SEC And even rivals Texas in some ways. There are different people in charge at Texas than when the LHN was formed. They might not have the desire to keep it like The former AD and President did.

It's of my opinion that the Big12 as we know it is doomed. Texas and Oklahoma are going to try and find greener pastures and where they land is anybody's guess.
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(04-15-2017 11:09 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Delany was given permission to invite any school that was contiguous and AAU.

I don't believe that is true. Delany was asked to find candidates that were good fits for the conference, but AAU and contiguous were preferences for getting a yes vote, not prerequisites. The conference has had a long standing invite with Texas since the early 90s and were discussing Georgia Tech and Florida State a few years ago, though nothing materialized.
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UVA & UNC would be better fits with B10 than KU & OU and iMO have more to offer the conference. BIgger markets and a larger talent base
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(04-24-2017 01:42 PM)Policiious Wrote:  UVA & UNC would be better fits with B10 than KU & OU and iMO have more to offer the conference. BIgger markets and a larger talent base

Sure, but from a realistic standpoint, its extremely unlikely that UVA and UNC would leave the ACC anytime in the next few decades (especially UNC who pretty much runs the conference) while on the other hand the B12 is in a pretty unstable position in the upcoming decade and has a GOR ending sooner, so t'll be more likely that B12 schools will be available. In the end, I see UT and OU coming aboard and KU getting left out until the next round of expansion if the B1G decides to go to 20.
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(04-24-2017 01:42 PM)Policiious Wrote:  UVA & UNC would be better fits with B10 than KU & OU and iMO have more to offer the conference. BIgger markets and a larger talent base
Virginia Tech and NC State have more in common with the Big Ten schools. But neither school has AAU status.
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If the Big Ten can only get one of Texas or Oklahoma, who would they invite? I would assume Kansas is the other invitee assuming there is only one.

Oklahoma creates nice synergy with Nebraska and provides a must-watch rivalry. They have the national brand that few can challenge but without another Texas school in the conference, how will their recruiting fare?

Texas provides a recruiting hotbed, a national brand, and exposure in football crazy and the highly populated state (Republic) of Texas. However, few can match their level of toxicity which seems to follow them everywhere. Does the Big Ten want to put up with a diva? They don't have the Big Ten rivalry that Oklahoma has.

Ideally, I think Oklahoma knows that if they bolt the Big 12, they need to tag along with either Texas or Oklahoma State. Politically, they probably need to attempt to find little brother a comfortable landing spot first and that won't be in the Big Ten. If OU can shed Oklahoma State, they could pair with Texas to the Big Ten but I think it is a long shot. My best guess is that the Big 12 stays together at 10 because there is no split that everyone ends up happy and doing nothing is the easiest thing in the book.
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^ I would think Texas. They are the institutional fit, have the recruiting/state/media market, and who the conference has been specifically targeting for decades.

In the end though, I doubt it'd be only one or the other. I'm pretty sure if Oklahoma comes to the B1G, Texas will join as well, and vice versa.
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http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college...11239.html
Quote:Kansas Athletics is moving forward with a $300 million Memorial Stadium renovation plan that will be released to the public in September, athletic director Sheahon Zenger announced Wednesday night at a “Football in June” event at The Well Bar.

The project will include an indoor practice facility, with Zenger expecting to receive renderings in the next three weeks.

Zenger declined further comment afterward, saying he would speak more in the coming months after the designs were disclosed to fans. Future KU chancellor Douglas Girod, who attended the Kansas City gathering and will replace Bernadette Gray-Little later this summer, also kept his comments brief.

“I’m excited to learn more,” he said of the project.

Kansas football coach David Beaty, who spoke to a standing-room-only crowd for about an hour, later described the football news as “awesome.”

“It’s exciting for me, because it’s a great time to be at KU,” Beaty said. “That guy (Zenger) has done so much here, and for him to clear the deck and really make room for football right now — and he’s a football guy at heart — knowing that our fans deserve a really, really nice stadium … we want these people to be comfortable and really enjoy their time there.”

Beaty also would be helped by a new indoor football facility. The team doesn’t have one of its own now, using Anschutz Sports Pavilion when the weather forces practices inside.

“It will be something that will be just that next step in transcending our program to the next level,” Beaty said. “We really do have to keep up with the facility war that goes on out there.”

Wednesday’s proclamation comes one month after Zenger emphasized the importance of football following the signing of his three-year contract extension. At the time, Zenger spoke about the need for a renovated Memorial Stadium.

“We want it to be a place that people just love to come to,” Zenger told the Star in May. “We have such history there. I think it’s the greatest setting in the nation for college football. We just need to get it to the point where it’s a place that’s just revered.”

The move forward for renovations appears to be a significant step, as KU officials have considered a Memorial Stadium overhaul for more than a decade.


http://m.kusports.com/news/2017/jun/21/z...tion-memo/
Quote:Along with renovations to the stadium, Zenger announced plans for an indoor football facility that the team can practice in.

Zenger, who recently had his contract extended until 2021, wants pieces of the renovation that can benefit the team’s on-field performance to be completed first.

“The stuff we’re going to do first is like I talked about, things that we should’ve had 10 years ago,” Zenger said. “At the top of the list is an indoor facility. So as we begin the stadium, we’re going to start with an indoor facility. We’re going to do things that will help young guys on the field.

“This is a special, special time to be here,” Zenger added.

Beaty said the indoor practice facility will be crucial for the Jayhawks to keep up with rival programs in their ongoing “facility war.”

At the meet-and-greet, Beaty touted the team’s $2 million renovated locker rooms, which opened last season.

“I think it will be something that will be just that next step in transcending our program to the next level,” Beaty said of the indoor facility. “We really do have to keep up with the facility war that goes on out there. Dr. Z gets that. Our chancellor Girod, I know that he gets that and obviously (outgoing) chancellor Bernadette Gray-Little was so phenomenal in giving us all the pieces that we needed.”

The Jayhawks finished with a 2-10 record last season, but Zenger told the crowd, "We're doing it because we have the leadership of this coach right here," signaling to Beaty.

“It’s exciting for me because it’s a great time to be at KU,” Beaty said. “I mean (Zenger) has done so much here. For him to clear the deck and kind of make room for football right now, and he’s a football guy at heart, knowing our fans deserve a really nice stadium.

"It’s a fan experience nowadays, and we want these people to be comfortable and really enjoy their time there."
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Kansas has a national following for basketball. If only they could translate some of that to football. They were good 10 years ago and can be again with the right coach. I'm not opposed to them in the Big Ten but I'd rather a better football power, preferably out west, or more along the east coast like Virginia and North Carolina. Those are long shots very far in the distance.
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