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RE: Time to expand Williams Stadium
(01-27-2018 05:30 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Pretty sure I didn't say LU would fail. I think you are reading more into my post than you need to. I did say it's a roll of the dice and stand by that statement. I still want to know where your butts in the seat fans are coming from? Not talking television.

Being such a spread out alumni base will make it hard to drive attendance up to 45k in order to get to that level it would have to be within a 4 hour radius. Possible but I think 25-30k is the most likely we will have for a long time.
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(01-27-2018 05:30 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Pretty sure I didn't say LU would fail. I think you are reading more into my post than you need to. I did say it's a roll of the dice and stand by that statement. I still want to know where your butts in the seat fans are coming from? Not talking television.

Your wording was very condescending and implied failure. Liberty is slowly increasing the number of students on campus. Lynchburg has around 80,000 people. Liberty averaged 16,377 in 2016 in attendance playing a Big South schedule. The whole Big South averaged 6,897. Liberty has a mission that can reach non-alumni like Notre Dame or BYU (not that we're expecting to be that successful; at least not right away). Liberty isn't confined to being a city school or even a regional school and people will travel to see Liberty, especially with a winner on the field.
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(01-27-2018 08:03 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  
(01-27-2018 05:30 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Pretty sure I didn't say LU would fail. I think you are reading more into my post than you need to. I did say it's a roll of the dice and stand by that statement. I still want to know where your butts in the seat fans are coming from? Not talking television.

Your wording was very condescending and implied failure. Liberty is slowly increasing the number of students on campus. Lynchburg has around 80,000 people. Liberty averaged 16,377 in 2016 in attendance playing a Big South schedule. The whole Big South averaged 6,897. Liberty has a mission that can reach non-alumni like Notre Dame or BYU (not that we're expecting to be that successful; at least not right away). Liberty isn't confined to being a city school or even a regional school and people will travel to see Liberty, especially with a winner on the field.

When you say travel what do you mean? I’m in SD no way I’ll be able to make it unless I’m visiting my in laws in Charlottesville.
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Actually the metro population goes well beyond the city limits population of approximately 80k. For federal statistical purposes, the metro of Lynchburg includes the city and the 4 surrounding counties of Appomattox, Amherst, Bedford and Campbell. Here is the info in greater detail from Wiki.

The Lynchburg Metropolitan Statistical Area, also widely known within the state as Region 2000, is a United States Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA) in Virginia, as defined by the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) as of June, 2003. As of the 2000 census, the MSA had a population of 228,616 (though a July 1, 2009 estimate placed the population at 247,447).[2] As of 2016, the Lynchburg MSA was the fifth largest in the state with a population of 260,320.

LU, unlike ODU or App St or other G5 schools, has a fragmented fan base, that goes well beyond the metro area that can coalesce. True an improved schedule with an occasional upset win propel and stimulate the interest. The potential for LU to succeed is much greater than it's likelihood to fail. Public vs. private, promo funds available, a Prez who sees the validity as an investment in the athletics dept to promote the world view of the school all are factors in LU's favor.

To those who say LU is more likely to fail have quickly forgotten LU's road to FBS. A road most said would be impossible and has become a reality.
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New- LU's rise to FBS status has everything to do with $$ and virtually nothing to do with earning a seat at the table by building an FBS worthy program. Reading this board most of the season there appears to be substantial agreement Gill is not an FBS coach and the team pretty much underperformed this year, which seems to be the case more often than not. Time will tell if unlimited $$ can buy the type program Jr. wants.

From a non-sports related angle, one has to wonder if many are willing to buy the message of LU when it's President is such a hypocritical figure head.
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(01-28-2018 12:06 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  New- LU's rise to FBS status has everything to do with $$ and virtually nothing to do with earning a seat at the table by building an FBS worthy program. Reading this board most of the season there appears to be substantial agreement Gill is not an FBS coach and the team pretty much underperformed this year, which seems to be the case more often than not. Time will tell if unlimited $$ can buy the type program Jr. wants.

From a non-sports related angle, one has to wonder if many are willing to buy the message of LU when it's President is such a hypocritical figure head.

I agree with some of this but ODU didn’t have much success prior to their move to FBS. Y’all are doing fine and I think Liberty will too.
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One factor that currently helps is having a large enrollment between on-campus and online. About 110K between both. That will help to create a large alumni base in the short-run. The disadvantage is that the online students are all over the US. On the other hand, that can help build a more national brand. Maintaining about 90-100K enrollment and hiring a strong coaching staff are needed to continuing growing the program.
Personally, I wish I could go to games but I'm just too far away at this time.
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(01-28-2018 12:32 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  
(01-28-2018 12:06 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  New- LU's rise to FBS status has everything to do with $$ and virtually nothing to do with earning a seat at the table by building an FBS worthy program. Reading this board most of the season there appears to be substantial agreement Gill is not an FBS coach and the team pretty much underperformed this year, which seems to be the case more often than not. Time will tell if unlimited $$ can buy the type program Jr. wants.

From a non-sports related angle, one has to wonder if many are willing to buy the message of LU when it's President is such a hypocritical figure head.

I agree with some of this but ODU didn’t have much success prior to their move to FBS. Y’all are doing fine and I think Liberty will too.

Don't think this is accurate. ODU was very successful. In fact so successful we were asked to the big table probably before we were ready in terms of infrastructure and ability to cultivate sufficient recruiting contacts.
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(01-28-2018 01:10 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  
(01-28-2018 12:32 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  
(01-28-2018 12:06 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  New- LU's rise to FBS status has everything to do with $$ and virtually nothing to do with earning a seat at the table by building an FBS worthy program. Reading this board most of the season there appears to be substantial agreement Gill is not an FBS coach and the team pretty much underperformed this year, which seems to be the case more often than not. Time will tell if unlimited $$ can buy the type program Jr. wants.

From a non-sports related angle, one has to wonder if many are willing to buy the message of LU when it's President is such a hypocritical figure head.

I agree with some of this but ODU didn’t have much success prior to their move to FBS. Y’all are doing fine and I think Liberty will too.

Don't think this is accurate. ODU was very successful. In fact so successful we were asked to the big table probably before we were ready in terms of infrastructure and ability to cultivate sufficient recruiting contacts.

I mean you did get to the playoffs twice but I wouldn’t say that is amazing. I think ODU was mostly picked up for market and potential. Fan support was also in play. I’m not knocking ODU but I’m terms of reasons to move to FBS it wasn’t on the field production.
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(01-28-2018 12:06 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  New- LU's rise to FBS status has everything to do with $$ and virtually nothing to do with earning a seat at the table by building an FBS worthy program. Reading this board most of the season there appears to be substantial agreement Gill is not an FBS coach and the team pretty much underperformed this year, which seems to be the case more often than not. Time will tell if unlimited $$ can buy the type program Jr. wants.

From a non-sports related angle, one has to wonder if many are willing to buy the message of LU when it's President is such a hypocritical figure head.
You are talking about 2 separate points. LU does have it's limitations as ODU has it's
own. However, the desire and resources to achieve FBS success are greater than ODU's. This is clearly shown in the inability in ODU to expand it's stadium. I believe the latest expansion is 22k, and that has been achieved with several downward steps for the school.

Now JFJr and his leadership is a different story. As misguided and error prone as he has been in the past, and the unwise decisions he has made, no one can accuse him of not wanting to have athletic success at LU.

So the essence is that LU has resources and leadership that ODU does not. As ODU struggles to gain a regional brand, LU's goal is to brand itself nationally. True LU will and does have baggage it will need to deal with, and leadership at times that takes the program a step backward with questionable decisions. But to bash LU and question it's desire for FBS success is a short sighted and envious position.
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I'm hardly questioning LU's desire to be FBS. If anything it's so desirous it's unseemly. We all know LU has financial resources ODU can never approach, and thank God we don't have your leadership. But that doesn't really speak to desire on the part of ODU, nor its leadership. if LU were a state school you'd be hampered by the Cox bill just like us.
Be grateful Jr is willing to spend the big bucks. It still seems a little antithetical to a Christian university. You know, money being the root of all evil and all.
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(01-28-2018 06:25 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  I'm hardly questioning LU's desire to be FBS. If anything it's so desirous it's unseemly. We all know LU has financial resources ODU can never approach, and thank God we don't have your leadership. But that doesn't really speak to desire on the part of ODU, nor its leadership. if LU were a state school you'd be hampered by the Cox bill just like us.
Be grateful Jr is willing to spend the big bucks. It still seems a little antithetical to a Christian university. You know, money being the root of all evil and all.

This is just stupid. Liberty isn't spending more money than everyone else in football. Liberty spent just over $10 million on football in the 2015-2016 school year while JMU spent $9 million, ODU $9.6 million, VT $31.2 million, and Virginia $20.3 million. Go the Department of Education and check out their Equity in Athletics for their numbers. Liberty won't be paying Saban-level money for a coach if they are in the G5. So, what are these big bucks that Liberty is paying? It's just a big scary myth that everyone worries about to throw shade at Liberty.

And for the record, Liberty is a non-profit school. They get a lot of revenue through their online programs which they use to reinvest into the school. Yes, sports is a percentage of that (not even a large percentage) but the school is in the process of building many academic buildings, adding programs, and more because they are choosing not to just sit on the money. Wouldn't it be a bigger deal if they weren't spending the money they were bringing in? Isn't it their job as a Christian school to be good stewards of their money? But I guess that doesn't fit in with the narrative.
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(01-29-2018 09:31 AM)GE and MTS Wrote:  
(01-28-2018 06:25 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  I'm hardly questioning LU's desire to be FBS. If anything it's so desirous it's unseemly. We all know LU has financial resources ODU can never approach, and thank God we don't have your leadership. But that doesn't really speak to desire on the part of ODU, nor its leadership. if LU were a state school you'd be hampered by the Cox bill just like us.
Be grateful Jr is willing to spend the big bucks. It still seems a little antithetical to a Christian university. You know, money being the root of all evil and all.

This is just stupid. Liberty isn't spending more money than everyone else in football. Liberty spent just over $10 million on football in the 2015-2016 school year while JMU spent $9 million, ODU $9.6 million, VT $31.2 million, and Virginia $20.3 million. Go the Department of Education and check out their Equity in Athletics for their numbers. Liberty won't be paying Saban-level money for a coach if they are in the G5. So, what are these big bucks that Liberty is paying? It's just a big scary myth that everyone worries about to throw shade at Liberty.

And for the record, Liberty is a non-profit school. They get a lot of revenue through their online programs which they use to reinvest into the school. Yes, sports is a percentage of that (not even a large percentage) but the school is in the process of building many academic buildings, adding programs, and more because they are choosing not to just sit on the money. Wouldn't it be a bigger deal if they weren't spending the money they were bringing in? Isn't it their job as a Christian school to be good stewards of their money? But I guess that doesn't fit in with the narrative.

You won't find ODU or many other G5's paying another G5 1 million dollars to play at their school, like LU is doing. To me that's throwing around money. Not sure how many other million dollar pay days LU is obligated for.
Why specify Christian? Don't all schools have the same obligation?
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(01-29-2018 03:23 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  
(01-29-2018 09:31 AM)GE and MTS Wrote:  
(01-28-2018 06:25 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  I'm hardly questioning LU's desire to be FBS. If anything it's so desirous it's unseemly. We all know LU has financial resources ODU can never approach, and thank God we don't have your leadership. But that doesn't really speak to desire on the part of ODU, nor its leadership. if LU were a state school you'd be hampered by the Cox bill just like us.
Be grateful Jr is willing to spend the big bucks. It still seems a little antithetical to a Christian university. You know, money being the root of all evil and all.

This is just stupid. Liberty isn't spending more money than everyone else in football. Liberty spent just over $10 million on football in the 2015-2016 school year while JMU spent $9 million, ODU $9.6 million, VT $31.2 million, and Virginia $20.3 million. Go the Department of Education and check out their Equity in Athletics for their numbers. Liberty won't be paying Saban-level money for a coach if they are in the G5. So, what are these big bucks that Liberty is paying? It's just a big scary myth that everyone worries about to throw shade at Liberty.

And for the record, Liberty is a non-profit school. They get a lot of revenue through their online programs which they use to reinvest into the school. Yes, sports is a percentage of that (not even a large percentage) but the school is in the process of building many academic buildings, adding programs, and more because they are choosing not to just sit on the money. Wouldn't it be a bigger deal if they weren't spending the money they were bringing in? Isn't it their job as a Christian school to be good stewards of their money? But I guess that doesn't fit in with the narrative.

You won't find ODU or many other G5's paying another G5 1 million dollars to play at their school, like LU is doing. To me that's throwing around money. Not sure how many other million dollar pay days LU is obligated for.
Why specify Christian? Don't all schools have the same obligation?

Liberty is paying ODU $1 million because they received that and more for a money game at Auburn. Liberty moved up to FBS on very short notice and had to get a schedule ASAP. Most FBS schools were nearly completed with their 2018 schedules so they would have had to rearrange things to fit in LU, a very big inconvenience. Liberty helped persuade ODU with a paycheck, the only one that large to my knowledge.

And why specify Christian? Because YOU brought it up! Now you can stop hijacking the thread and get it back on topic.
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Please don't shout. It's childish.
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Sounds like good pre game hype and smack talk before a game to kick start the program in FBS.
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Couple of construction pics of the new upper deck.

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