(05-04-2016 07:50 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 07:38 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 05:05 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 12:33 AM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  This will sound cold, and apologies for the lack of compassion, but who's choice was it to have a child as an E3 in the navy? It was yours. The military already gives greater pay for married individuals (or at least did when I was an officer), and not sure why the "scum" you so describe does not have a voice in why their (and many millions) taxes are mandated to support the improper financial decisions of others.

It is not asinine to expect, and reward, accountability. And nobody in this thread as I recall has advocated for the the complete elimination of social safety nets. However, when your freedom to have a child before you are financially ready to support one encroaches on my freedom to not have to pay for your decisions, I have to cry foul. Why the **** is it my responsibility to support another's irresponsibility?

So please go ahead an proclaim me the most horrible person of the Spin Room. Don't really give a damn. But, in as few words as possible, please explain to me why it is MY responsibility to support the decisions and responsibilities you and others make that you are not able to uphold? Complete and utter bull****. I am waiting for an answer, comrade.

This might sound cold, but who gives a @&$% what you think? Whether or not he qualifies for, and receives food stamps is between him and the govt, and does not involve you.

Well, the money comes from the taxpayers, so, yeah, it may very well involve him.

no it doesn't...you OWE that money...it's not yours...and WE THE PEOPLE elect folks to decide how it's spent.

and there's your turdhead response of the day. For all of you who want us to be be compassionate about food stamps and welfare, this is the turdhead reason we arent. It's not about compassion. Now its about people being entitled to our hard earned money.

It IS OUR MONEY you dipshit. It is NOT THE GOVERNMENTS moneys. This isnt cuba. This isnt venuzuela, as much as you'd like it to be.

There needs to be a tax payer bill of rights passed in congress. I'm sick and tired of the people who work their ass off having money sucked out of their wallet to give money to those who refuse to work. And many REFUSE TO WORK. Look at the states who have re-implemented the work requirement to receive benefits.

Are their people who need help? Sure. But those are few and far between. They are NOT THE NORM.

(05-04-2016 07:57 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 07:50 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 07:38 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 05:05 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 12:33 AM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  This will sound cold, and apologies for the lack of compassion, but who's choice was it to have a child as an E3 in the navy? It was yours. The military already gives greater pay for married individuals (or at least did when I was an officer), and not sure why the "scum" you so describe does not have a voice in why their (and many millions) taxes are mandated to support the improper financial decisions of others.

It is not asinine to expect, and reward, accountability. And nobody in this thread as I recall has advocated for the the complete elimination of social safety nets. However, when your freedom to have a child before you are financially ready to support one encroaches on my freedom to not have to pay for your decisions, I have to cry foul. Why the **** is it my responsibility to support another's irresponsibility?

So please go ahead an proclaim me the most horrible person of the Spin Room. Don't really give a damn. But, in as few words as possible, please explain to me why it is MY responsibility to support the decisions and responsibilities you and others make that you are not able to uphold? Complete and utter bull****. I am waiting for an answer, comrade.

This might sound cold, but who gives a @&$% what you think? Whether or not he qualifies for, and receives food stamps is between him and the govt, and does not involve you.

Well, the money comes from the taxpayers, so, yeah, it may very well involve him.

no it doesn't...you OWE that money...it's not yours...and WE THE PEOPLE elect folks to decide how it's spent.

and there's your turdhead response of the day. For all of you who want us to be be compassionate about food stamps and welfare, this is the turdhead reason we arent. It's not about compassion. Now its about people being entitled to our hard earned money.

It IS OUR MONEY you dipshit. It is NOT THE GOVERNMENTS moneys. This isnt cuba. This isnt venuzuela, as much as you'd like it to be.

There needs to be a tax payer bill of rights passed in congress. I'm sick and tired of the people who work their ass off having money sucked out of their wallet to give money to those whor efuse to work.

Are their people who need help? Sure. But those are few and far between. They are NOT THE NORM.

it was never your money...you OWE that money to our government, and WE THE PEOPLE elect those who will decide how it's spent.

(05-04-2016 07:59 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 07:57 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 07:50 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 07:38 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 05:05 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  This might sound cold, but who gives a @&$% what you think? Whether or not he qualifies for, and receives food stamps is between him and the govt, and does not involve you.

Well, the money comes from the taxpayers, so, yeah, it may very well involve him.

no it doesn't...you OWE that money...it's not yours...and WE THE PEOPLE elect folks to decide how it's spent.

and there's your turdhead response of the day. For all of you who want us to be be compassionate about food stamps and welfare, this is the turdhead reason we arent. It's not about compassion. Now its about people being entitled to our hard earned money.

It IS OUR MONEY you dipshit. It is NOT THE GOVERNMENTS moneys. This isnt cuba. This isnt venuzuela, as much as you'd like it to be.

There needs to be a tax payer bill of rights passed in congress. I'm sick and tired of the people who work their ass off having money sucked out of their wallet to give money to those whor efuse to work.

Are their people who need help? Sure. But those are few and far between. They are NOT THE NORM.

it was never your money...you OWE that money to our government, and WE THE PEOPLE elect those who will decide how it's spent.

wrong. It was my money. It was in my check. I earned it. Damn, how stupid can you be about how taxes work. You really need to get educated on this sh*t.

(05-04-2016 08:03 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 07:59 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  it was never your money...you OWE that money to our government, and WE THE PEOPLE elect those who will decide how it's spent.

wrong. It was my money. It was in my check. I earned it. Damn, how stupid can you be about how taxes work. You really need to get educated on this sh*t.

This is a perfect example of how totally f'kd up some people are. "It was never your money." "You didn't build that company, the government did." These sentiments are as close to pure communism as there can be.

We have to be satisfied that they will never achieve anything in their lives and will always be pi$$ed and miserable because everything isn't going the way they dreamed it. They are failures as human beings. Truly worthless.

Food Stamps are intended as a subsidy for the agriculture, food, and grocery industry.

Yelling at the low income guy misses the point entirely.

Go yell at a farmer, or Kroger, or Archer Daniels Midland if you don't like that subsidy.

Get rid of food stamps and that subsidy will go directly to thr industry rather than through the low-income middle man first.

(05-04-2016 07:59 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 07:57 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 07:50 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 07:38 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 05:05 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  This might sound cold, but who gives a @&$% what you think? Whether or not he qualifies for, and receives food stamps is between him and the govt, and does not involve you.

Well, the money comes from the taxpayers, so, yeah, it may very well involve him.

no it doesn't...you OWE that money...it's not yours...and WE THE PEOPLE elect folks to decide how it's spent.

and there's your turdhead response of the day. For all of you who want us to be be compassionate about food stamps and welfare, this is the turdhead reason we arent. It's not about compassion. Now its about people being entitled to our hard earned money.

It IS OUR MONEY you dipshit. It is NOT THE GOVERNMENTS moneys. This isnt cuba. This isnt venuzuela, as much as you'd like it to be.

There needs to be a tax payer bill of rights passed in congress. I'm sick and tired of the people who work their ass off having money sucked out of their wallet to give money to those whor efuse to work.

Are their people who need help? Sure. But those are few and far between. They are NOT THE NORM.

it was never your money...you OWE that money to our government, and WE THE PEOPLE elect those who will decide how it's spent.

"You didn't build that! ...Somebody else... made that happen!"

(05-04-2016 08:03 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 07:59 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 07:57 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 07:50 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 07:38 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Well, the money comes from the taxpayers, so, yeah, it may very well involve him.

no it doesn't...you OWE that money...it's not yours...and WE THE PEOPLE elect folks to decide how it's spent.

and there's your turdhead response of the day. For all of you who want us to be be compassionate about food stamps and welfare, this is the turdhead reason we arent. It's not about compassion. Now its about people being entitled to our hard earned money.

It IS OUR MONEY you dipshit. It is NOT THE GOVERNMENTS moneys. This isnt cuba. This isnt venuzuela, as much as you'd like it to be.

There needs to be a tax payer bill of rights passed in congress. I'm sick and tired of the people who work their ass off having money sucked out of their wallet to give money to those whor efuse to work.

Are their people who need help? Sure. But those are few and far between. They are NOT THE NORM.

it was never your money...you OWE that money to our government, and WE THE PEOPLE elect those who will decide how it's spent.

wrong. It was my money. It was in my check. I earned it. Damn, how stupid can you be about how taxes work. You really need to get educated on this sh*t.

it was NEVER your money...it was money you OWE to live in this great nation, under this great government.

(05-04-2016 08:31 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 07:59 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 07:57 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 07:50 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 07:38 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Well, the money comes from the taxpayers, so, yeah, it may very well involve him.

no it doesn't...you OWE that money...it's not yours...and WE THE PEOPLE elect folks to decide how it's spent.

and there's your turdhead response of the day. For all of you who want us to be be compassionate about food stamps and welfare, this is the turdhead reason we arent. It's not about compassion. Now its about people being entitled to our hard earned money.

It IS OUR MONEY you dipshit. It is NOT THE GOVERNMENTS moneys. This isnt cuba. This isnt venuzuela, as much as you'd like it to be.

There needs to be a tax payer bill of rights passed in congress. I'm sick and tired of the people who work their ass off having money sucked out of their wallet to give money to those whor efuse to work.

Are their people who need help? Sure. But those are few and far between. They are NOT THE NORM.

it was never your money...you OWE that money to our government, and WE THE PEOPLE elect those who will decide how it's spent.

"You didn't build that! ...Somebody else... made that happen!"

quote where I said that....

(05-04-2016 08:11 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 08:03 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 07:59 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  it was never your money...you OWE that money to our government, and WE THE PEOPLE elect those who will decide how it's spent.

wrong. It was my money. It was in my check. I earned it. Damn, how stupid can you be about how taxes work. You really need to get educated on this sh*t.

This is a perfect example of how totally f'kd up some people are. "It was never your money." "You didn't build that company, the government did." These sentiments are as close to pure communism as there can be.

We have to be satisfied that they will never achieve anything in their lives and will always be pi$$ed and miserable because everything isn't going the way they dreamed it. They are failures as human beings. Truly worthless.

quote where I said that...

(05-04-2016 08:34 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 08:31 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 07:59 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 07:57 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 07:50 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  no it doesn't...you OWE that money...it's not yours...and WE THE PEOPLE elect folks to decide how it's spent.

and there's your turdhead response of the day. For all of you who want us to be be compassionate about food stamps and welfare, this is the turdhead reason we arent. It's not about compassion. Now its about people being entitled to our hard earned money.

It IS OUR MONEY you dipshit. It is NOT THE GOVERNMENTS moneys. This isnt cuba. This isnt venuzuela, as much as you'd like it to be.

There needs to be a tax payer bill of rights passed in congress. I'm sick and tired of the people who work their ass off having money sucked out of their wallet to give money to those whor efuse to work.

Are their people who need help? Sure. But those are few and far between. They are NOT THE NORM.

it was never your money...you OWE that money to our government, and WE THE PEOPLE elect those who will decide how it's spent.

"You didn't build that! ...Somebody else... made that happen!"

quote where I said that....

(05-04-2016 08:11 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 08:03 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 07:59 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  it was never your money...you OWE that money to our government, and WE THE PEOPLE elect those who will decide how it's spent.

wrong. It was my money. It was in my check. I earned it. Damn, how stupid can you be about how taxes work. You really need to get educated on this sh*t.

This is a perfect example of how totally f'kd up some people are. "It was never your money." "You didn't build that company, the government did." These sentiments are as close to pure communism as there can be.

We have to be satisfied that they will never achieve anything in their lives and will always be pi$$ed and miserable because everything isn't going the way they dreamed it. They are failures as human beings. Truly worthless.

quote where I said that...

It's on your list of socialist talking points. One day you will grow up, be able to think on your own, and see how stupid that list was.

(05-03-2016 09:55 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  No food stamps at all. No welfare. It is taking from my pocket. I work hard for my money, why should a failure receive my funds? Let the charities and churches handle them.

Self reliance is lost in America.

Uhhh, we all work hard to pay into the system. If you lose your job, it's there for you too.

(05-03-2016 07:58 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  that's the thing folks don't seem to understand...you can work full time at MW (7.25) and still qualify for SNAP

Which is why some in the government wants a $15 min wage.

It pushes 'support for the poor' off of the government and taxpayers (who by and large are higher paid) and onto consumers of products and services generated by min wage workers, who by and large are NOT the higher paid.

The real question is, do they drop taxes (I doubt it) when that happens or merely shift the spending to something else (my bet).

(05-04-2016 09:49 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(05-03-2016 07:58 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  that's the thing folks don't seem to understand...you can work full time at MW (7.25) and still qualify for SNAP

Which is why some in the government wants a $15 min wage.

It pushes 'support for the poor' off of the government and taxpayers (who by and large are higher paid) and onto consumers of products and services generated by min wage workers, who by and large are NOT the higher paid.

The real question is, do they drop taxes (I doubt it) when that happens or merely shift the spending to something else (my bet).

No, the lefties expect the employers to operate at a deficit like their benevolent government does.

I don't have issues with lending a helping hand - particularly if that person is actually working. The real heartburn comes from the fact that the entitlement system the government has set up doesn't encourage doing the right things to get off the dole. Besides the fact that the system if rife inefficiencies if not pockets of fraud - there is an element of that very same government that uses it as a voting carrot, "vote for me and I'll keep that entitlement spigot open and flowing.

You don't treat people like crap, period.

(05-04-2016 12:43 AM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  

(05-03-2016 05:11 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  https://www.rawstory.com/2016/05/woman-f...supporter/

I am on the side of the woman. She is right. He is stealing my and yours money when he swips that card. Abolish all welfare. I am tried of losing my hard earned funds for moochers and lazy boys. As John Smith said: "Those who shall not work, shall not eat."

Didn't you say you worked at Chik-fil-a and go to college? Are you sure you've ever paid into the system?

Yes, he's in college.

I remember being in college and working for beer / food money too. It was tough working a couple days a week at a no stress brainless job and getting all my federal taxes refunded to me each year.

(05-04-2016 10:19 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  You don't treat people like crap, period.

I agree, and the taxpayers have been treated like crap for far too long.

(05-04-2016 10:17 AM)Crebman Wrote:  I don't have issues with lending a helping hand - particularly if that person is actually working. The real heartburn comes from the fact that the entitlement system the government has set up doesn't encourage doing the right things to get off the dole. Besides the fact that the system if rife inefficiencies if not pockets of fraud - there is an element of that very same government that uses it as a voting carrot, "vote for me and I'll keep that entitlement spigot open and flowing.

100% agree.

And if we a a society are not willing to ask tough questions of those receiving these benefits (Like asking, "How did you get into this situation?", "What decisions did YOU make that contributed to your inability to meet your responsibilities?", and "what are you going to do to prevent yourself from getting in this situation again?"), then we are no better than parents of Millenials that raise children unable and unaccountable to meet the "real world" on their own. Too bad if it is "uncomfortable" or "hurts your feelings", but we too often as parents and citizens, avoid the tough but needed conversation out of protecting sensitivities. Remember, the best friend you can ever hope for is one that is willing to honestly tell you the things you don't want to hear and ask you questions that you would rather not have to answer.

(05-03-2016 05:47 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  What a shittyy thing to say to someone. She has zero idea of that dude's situation.

Quote:The man turns back to her and says, “OK, then contact your local senator and congressman and issue a complaint. Vote Republican. I don’t know what to tell you, I’m sorry, I don’t know what to tell you.”

Pretty good advice there.

I agree 100%

(05-04-2016 09:00 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(05-03-2016 09:55 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  No food stamps at all. No welfare. It is taking from my pocket. I work hard for my money, why should a failure receive my funds? Let the charities and churches handle them.

Self reliance is lost in America.

Uhhh, we all work hard to pay into the system. If you lose your job, it's there for you too.

I will walk the streets first.

(05-04-2016 10:26 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 10:19 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  You don't treat people like crap, period.

I agree, and the taxpayers have been treated like crap for far too long.

So what would you do? How would you fix it?

As for who is sticking it to taxpayers, I believe they exist all along the socio-economic scale, from poor welfare cheats to middle class tax cheats to doctors who cheat on Medicaid and Medicare claims to the wealthy and corporations who use every loophole and offshore opportunity they can find to avoid paying taxes.

(05-04-2016 10:37 AM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 09:00 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(05-03-2016 09:55 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  No food stamps at all. No welfare. It is taking from my pocket. I work hard for my money, why should a failure receive my funds? Let the charities and churches handle them.

Self reliance is lost in America.

Uhhh, we all work hard to pay into the system. If you lose your job, it's there for you too.

I will walk the streets first.

What if you got kids to feed?