(08-14-2017 09:11 AM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  

(08-14-2017 06:55 AM)JTiger Wrote:  I guess Joroh is still trying to break free of that friend zone.

I think his expedition beyond the Wall will go better than his expedition trying to escape the friend zone. Some thoughts after Episode 5:
1. I'm really mad at Sam after last night's episode. I hope baby Sam still has that book and didn't tear that annulment page out. That's two seasons in a row Sam has left me scratching my head and asking, "WTF, mate?"
2. The sexual tension between Dany and Jon is simply too much. Like I get it, he's cute and mysterious and your kids love him, but, Dany, you are a single mother in a tough world and you gotta focus on you and your goals right now #realtalk.
3. BEND THE DAMN KNEE, TARLY!!!! Seriously, I'm going to miss the "Rickon?" "Dickon" jokes. So is Sam still part of the Night's Watch, or will he take over as Lord Tarly now? I mean, he has a girlfriend and is raising her incest baby, which isn't really a Night's Watch thing.
4. So happy for Jamie and Cersei. Hopefully they are better parents to this one. Anyone know where they are registered? What are the odds Euron pushes Cersei down the stairs when he finds out?
5. Sh!t is going to hit the fan in Winterfell. I hope it also ends with Littlefinger hitting the ground, but Arya is getting extremely cocky and sure of herself. It won't be long until Littlefinger learns how to deal with her.

1. I've seen several people on different sites state they were mad at Sam. I for one can feel his frustration. He KNOWS what's to come because he's been there and the Maesters just kind of blow him off. I mean he's one of the smartest guys on the series wanting to become a Maester and he's reduced to emptying bedpans? I'm shocked he hasn't gone postal. I get the feeling that they wouldn't have made a point of Gilly reading that passage only to have baby Sam eat it.

2. You're right, it's pretty obvious that Dany wants to bang Jon. Let's see how that goes once she finds out HE'S the rightful heir to the Iron Throne. Something tells me that could throw some cold water on the situation.

3. There's NO WAY the master manipulator Littlefinger is going to let Arya get in his way. He's playing her like a fiddle and will probably end up with Needle thru his throat.

4. LOVE the "tribute" to the Magnificent Seven going thru the gate to capture a one of the dead. Can't wait to see how that plays out.

(08-14-2017 09:55 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(08-14-2017 09:11 AM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  

(08-14-2017 06:55 AM)JTiger Wrote:  I guess Joroh is still trying to break free of that friend zone.

I think his expedition beyond the Wall will go better than his expedition trying to escape the friend zone. Some thoughts after Episode 5:
1. I'm really mad at Sam after last night's episode. I hope baby Sam still has that book and didn't tear that annulment page out. That's two seasons in a row Sam has left me scratching my head and asking, "WTF, mate?"
2. The sexual tension between Dany and Jon is simply too much. Like I get it, he's cute and mysterious and your kids love him, but, Dany, you are a single mother in a tough world and you gotta focus on you and your goals right now #realtalk.
3. BEND THE DAMN KNEE, TARLY!!!! Seriously, I'm going to miss the "Rickon?" "Dickon" jokes. So is Sam still part of the Night's Watch, or will he take over as Lord Tarly now? I mean, he has a girlfriend and is raising her incest baby, which isn't really a Night's Watch thing.
4. So happy for Jamie and Cersei. Hopefully they are better parents to this one. Anyone know where they are registered? What are the odds Euron pushes Cersei down the stairs when he finds out?
5. Sh!t is going to hit the fan in Winterfell. I hope it also ends with Littlefinger hitting the ground, but Arya is getting extremely cocky and sure of herself. It won't be long until Littlefinger learns how to deal with her.

1. I've seen several people on different sites state they were mad at Sam. I for one can feel his frustration. He KNOWS what's to come because he's been there and the Maesters just kind of blow him off. I mean he's one of the smartest guys on the series wanting to become a Maester and he's reduced to emptying bedpans? I'm shocked he hasn't gone postal. I get the feeling that they wouldn't have made a point of Gilly reading that passage only to have baby Sam eat it.

2. You're right, it's pretty obvious that Dany wants to bang Jon. Let's see how that goes once she finds out HE'S the rightful heir to the Iron Throne. Something tells me that could throw some cold water on the situation.

3. There's NO WAY the master manipulator Littlefinger is going to let Arya get in his way. He's playing her like a fiddle and will probably end up with Needle thru his throat.

4. LOVE the "tribute" to the Magnificent Seven going thru the gate to capture a one of the dead. Can't wait to see how that plays out.

While I'm happy the story is advancing, there were some really annoying things that jumped out at me in this episode:
1. How the hell did Bronn and Jaime (in full armor no less), manage to swim so far? If you tack that scene on to the end of the previous episode (Jaime sinking), it's just really bizarre.
2. How did Arya go from being the most stealthy person ever to getting outwitted by a guy who she KNOWS is a sneak?
3. My frustration with the Sam storyline is that it now looks like he spent however many episodes in the Citadel to NOT become a maester. He healed Ser Jorah, which is nice, but that can't be the only reason they put him there? And the books and parchment he was pulling off the shelves, seemingly randomly: Is one of them going to be the solution to defeating the Army of the Dead? Did he know what he was looking for?

HBO Spain leaked episode 6 in the past hours. I watched it....if anyone wants to know the Big huge deal, I'll let them in on it.

(08-16-2017 07:40 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  HBO Spain leaked episode 6 in the past hours. I watched it....if anyone wants to know the Big huge deal, I'll let them in on it.

As much as I'd LOVE to know, I'll wait to watch it.

BTW, thanks for not just spilling the beans.

That happened when I was walking into the Sixth Sense years ago, some d-bag was coming out of an earlier showing and decides to start yelling "he's dead" for the whole theater to hear. Kinda ruing it. Once again, thanks for not ruining it.

SPOILER ALERT: Neo dies.

(08-16-2017 07:59 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(08-16-2017 07:40 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  HBO Spain leaked episode 6 in the past hours. I watched it....if anyone wants to know the Big huge deal, I'll let them in on it.

As much as I'd LOVE to know, I'll wait to watch it.

BTW, thanks for not just spilling the beans.

That happened when I was walking into the Sixth Sense years ago, some d-bag was coming out of an earlier showing and decides to start yelling "he's dead" for the whole theater to hear. Kinda ruing it. Once again, thanks for not ruining it.

Your welcome.
Oh no, I had planned on watching Sixth Sense for the first time this weekend....he's dead?

Haha. I have a coworker that is waiting for the entire season to be available so she can binge watch, which makes it difficult to have conversations about the episodes (she sits right next to me). I do not share her resolve.

Question for the GOT fans here. Who out of the Magnificent Seven will die Sunday night?

My top three: Beric, Jorah, Thoros.

(08-18-2017 02:51 PM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  Question for the GOT fans here. Who out of the Magnificent Seven will die Sunday night?

My top three: Beric, Jorah, Thoros.

If GRRM was writing it, Jorah (or Gendry) would be a good candidate because resurrecting a character just to kill him feels pretty much in the wheelhouse of ASOIAF. But this is HBO so I'm gonna say probably not. Thoros is the easy choice because he's the least compelling character there. He's number 1. Beric pretty much wants to die in service of the Lord of Light so he's 1a.

Sleeper choice: The Hound. He's working on redemption - what better way than to sacrifice himself to save some or all of his cohorts. Then he comes back as a wight and has the ultimate battle of the undead with the Mountain!

HO LEE CHIT!

That was an episode. One of the best ones so far.

(08-21-2017 06:51 AM)JTiger Wrote:  HO LEE CHIT!

That was an episode. One of the best ones so far.

Agreed. I for one LOVE the pacing of this season. It's assuming that the audience is smart enough to realize that time passes. Sorry, I don't need to see Dany on a ship for 3 episodes to know "how long it takes to get there". The only issue I have is that it ends next week for another year! :-(

Few thoughts on the episode.

1) I'm sick of Sansa. I know some think she's the sympathetic character, but as far as I'm concerned, the whole damn thing is her fault. I'm a princess and want to marry the pretty boy king so I can be queen is what got the Starks into this whole damn mess. The "oh owe is me" routine rings shallow. Guess what Sansa, EVERYONE of your family members have suffered and been thru trials, Jon died for Christ sake.

2) Loved the bro nod sign of respect between Tormund and The Hound. I could actually see those two being friends or as friendly as could be considering the upcoming wars.

3) Can't wait to see the ice dragon in action.

4) Pretty obvious Dany has the hots for her nephew.

5) I could be totally off, but the scene between Dany and Tyrion about "succession" could be huge. I predict that Jon will eventually learn of his heritage but wishes to keep it quiet. Dany names Jon as her successor which, in GOT fashion, means she dies, after which Jon becomes King and sits on the Iron Throne.

I actually was not as big a fan of this episode as some on here might be.

First off, Littlefinger seemed to super easily drive a wedge between Sansa and Arya. I get that they were not close as kids, but come on; it can't be THAT easy can it? Also, their brother can LITERALLY SEE EVERYTHING, so why don't they, I don't know, ask him what the hell is going on? I find Arya to be very arrogant and irritating this season. I kind of want Jaqen to kill her because "a girl has given the gift too many times, for reasons that are unjust," or something like that. She has really missed the point that killing for revenge/fun has to have some sort of consequence (besides camping with Ed Sheeran).
Second, what is going on with the Brotherhood of Bad Ideas. How do you not plan a better exit strategy? How do you not wait until you have a few weapons made of dragonglass/obsidian? How do you not have any ranged weapons? Jon should know better because he's fought them before! Twice I think!
Third, and this drove me up the Wall.... WHERE DO THE UNDEAD GET A GIANT F#&$ING CHAIN TO RAISE A DRAGON FROM THE FROZEN DEPTHS? I mean, did they make it? Because that process takes fire, which is their major (only?) weakness. Did they just find the chains lying around? It would make more sense if the chain was made of ice, since they can manipulate ice at will (or at least, they should), but a metal chain? Did Cersei sell that off after the Battle of Blackwater Bay to help pay for Joff's wedding (shame they couldn't get their deposit back)? And why the hell isn't the Night King in the freaking Olympics after that javelin toss?

I described this episode to my cousin as a bevy of blunders and bad decisions. Both by the characters and the writers. I don't mind the pacing; I understand why they have to do it. But... yeah, this didn't hit Hardhome with me.

I think the showrunners are more concerned about the spectacle at this point. I imagine the goal was to give people these last few episodes that would get them talking and keep them talking, be it positive or negative talk. They have to keep people interested for two freaking years after all. Surely there will be a lot of behind the scenes content and sneak peeks released over that span as well

(08-21-2017 11:11 AM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  I actually was not as big a fan of this episode as some on here might be.

First off, Littlefinger seemed to super easily drive a wedge between Sansa and Arya. I get that they were not close as kids, but come on; it can't be THAT easy can it? Also, their brother can LITERALLY SEE EVERYTHING, so why don't they, I don't know, ask him what the hell is going on? I find Arya to be very arrogant and irritating this season. I kind of want Jaqen to kill her because "a girl has given the gift too many times, for reasons that are unjust," or something like that. She has really missed the point that killing for revenge/fun has to have some sort of consequence (besides camping with Ed Sheeran).
Second, what is going on with the Brotherhood of Bad Ideas. How do you not plan a better exit strategy? How do you not wait until you have a few weapons made of dragonglass/obsidian? How do you not have any ranged weapons? Jon should know better because he's fought them before! Twice I think!
Third, and this drove me up the Wall.... WHERE DO THE UNDEAD GET A GIANT F#&$ING CHAIN TO RAISE A DRAGON FROM THE FROZEN DEPTHS? I mean, did they make it? Because that process takes fire, which is their major (only?) weakness. Did they just find the chains lying around? It would make more sense if the chain was made of ice, since they can manipulate ice at will (or at least, they should), but a metal chain? Did Cersei sell that off after the Battle of Blackwater Bay to help pay for Joff's wedding (shame they couldn't get their deposit back)? And why the hell isn't the Night King in the freaking Olympics after that javelin toss?

I described this episode to my cousin as a bevy of blunders and bad decisions. Both by the characters and the writers. I don't mind the pacing; I understand why they have to do it. But... yeah, this didn't hit Hardhome with me.

The pacing may be necessary but it's also part of the problem. They are utilizing so many plot devices to move things along that it becomes hard to suspend disbelief. Uncle Benjen at just the right moment, giant chains, Jon running after wights when he should be climbing on a dragon. A bit too much. And absolutely agree that the Drama at Winterfell makes very little sense.

As much as I enjoyed the episode, there were several moments that were jarring enough to take me completely out of the show.

Did everybody else think the same thing as Viserion was sinking into the lake? Wight dragon! And, of course, this pretty much locks in the favored theory for how the Army of the Dead gets through The Wall.

(08-21-2017 01:45 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  

(08-21-2017 11:11 AM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  I actually was not as big a fan of this episode as some on here might be.

First off, Littlefinger seemed to super easily drive a wedge between Sansa and Arya. I get that they were not close as kids, but come on; it can't be THAT easy can it? Also, their brother can LITERALLY SEE EVERYTHING, so why don't they, I don't know, ask him what the hell is going on? I find Arya to be very arrogant and irritating this season. I kind of want Jaqen to kill her because "a girl has given the gift too many times, for reasons that are unjust," or something like that. She has really missed the point that killing for revenge/fun has to have some sort of consequence (besides camping with Ed Sheeran).
Second, what is going on with the Brotherhood of Bad Ideas. How do you not plan a better exit strategy? How do you not wait until you have a few weapons made of dragonglass/obsidian? How do you not have any ranged weapons? Jon should know better because he's fought them before! Twice I think!
Third, and this drove me up the Wall.... WHERE DO THE UNDEAD GET A GIANT F#&$ING CHAIN TO RAISE A DRAGON FROM THE FROZEN DEPTHS? I mean, did they make it? Because that process takes fire, which is their major (only?) weakness. Did they just find the chains lying around? It would make more sense if the chain was made of ice, since they can manipulate ice at will (or at least, they should), but a metal chain? Did Cersei sell that off after the Battle of Blackwater Bay to help pay for Joff's wedding (shame they couldn't get their deposit back)? And why the hell isn't the Night King in the freaking Olympics after that javelin toss?

I described this episode to my cousin as a bevy of blunders and bad decisions. Both by the characters and the writers. I don't mind the pacing; I understand why they have to do it. But... yeah, this didn't hit Hardhome with me.

The pacing may be necessary but it's also part of the problem. They are utilizing so many plot devices to move things along that it becomes hard to suspend disbelief. Uncle Benjen at just the right moment, giant chains, Jon running after wights when he should be climbing on a dragon. A bit too much. And absolutely agree that the Drama at Winterfell makes very little sense.

As much as I enjoyed the episode, there were several moments that were jarring enough to take me completely out of the show.

Did everybody else think the same thing as Viserion was sinking into the lake? Wight dragon! And, of course, this pretty much locks in the favored theory for how the Army of the Dead gets through The Wall.

As soon as he sunk I was like, "Hmm... I wonder how they will resurrect him." I assumed NK would raise him like the dead at Hardhome, and arguably that would have been much more bad a$$.

(08-21-2017 02:20 PM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  

(08-21-2017 01:45 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  

(08-21-2017 11:11 AM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  I actually was not as big a fan of this episode as some on here might be.

First off, Littlefinger seemed to super easily drive a wedge between Sansa and Arya. I get that they were not close as kids, but come on; it can't be THAT easy can it? Also, their brother can LITERALLY SEE EVERYTHING, so why don't they, I don't know, ask him what the hell is going on? I find Arya to be very arrogant and irritating this season. I kind of want Jaqen to kill her because "a girl has given the gift too many times, for reasons that are unjust," or something like that. She has really missed the point that killing for revenge/fun has to have some sort of consequence (besides camping with Ed Sheeran).
Second, what is going on with the Brotherhood of Bad Ideas. How do you not plan a better exit strategy? How do you not wait until you have a few weapons made of dragonglass/obsidian? How do you not have any ranged weapons? Jon should know better because he's fought them before! Twice I think!
Third, and this drove me up the Wall.... WHERE DO THE UNDEAD GET A GIANT F#&$ING CHAIN TO RAISE A DRAGON FROM THE FROZEN DEPTHS? I mean, did they make it? Because that process takes fire, which is their major (only?) weakness. Did they just find the chains lying around? It would make more sense if the chain was made of ice, since they can manipulate ice at will (or at least, they should), but a metal chain? Did Cersei sell that off after the Battle of Blackwater Bay to help pay for Joff's wedding (shame they couldn't get their deposit back)? And why the hell isn't the Night King in the freaking Olympics after that javelin toss?

I described this episode to my cousin as a bevy of blunders and bad decisions. Both by the characters and the writers. I don't mind the pacing; I understand why they have to do it. But... yeah, this didn't hit Hardhome with me.

The pacing may be necessary but it's also part of the problem. They are utilizing so many plot devices to move things along that it becomes hard to suspend disbelief. Uncle Benjen at just the right moment, giant chains, Jon running after wights when he should be climbing on a dragon. A bit too much. And absolutely agree that the Drama at Winterfell makes very little sense.

As much as I enjoyed the episode, there were several moments that were jarring enough to take me completely out of the show.

Did everybody else think the same thing as Viserion was sinking into the lake? Wight dragon! And, of course, this pretty much locks in the favored theory for how the Army of the Dead gets through The Wall.

As soon as he sunk I was like, "Hmm... I wonder how they will resurrect him." I assumed NK would raise him like the dead at Hardhome, and arguably that would have been much more bad a$$.

An easy fix for the giant chains thing would have been NK doing the evil jazz hands, a few moments of silent tension as nothing happens, then the ice starts to crack at the shallow end of the frozen lake. Maybe tease a blue eye peeping up through ice. Then cut to black. It would have also saved them some money to be spent on the finale

(08-21-2017 03:39 PM)CameramanJ Wrote:  

(08-21-2017 02:20 PM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  

(08-21-2017 01:45 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  

(08-21-2017 11:11 AM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  I actually was not as big a fan of this episode as some on here might be.

First off, Littlefinger seemed to super easily drive a wedge between Sansa and Arya. I get that they were not close as kids, but come on; it can't be THAT easy can it? Also, their brother can LITERALLY SEE EVERYTHING, so why don't they, I don't know, ask him what the hell is going on? I find Arya to be very arrogant and irritating this season. I kind of want Jaqen to kill her because "a girl has given the gift too many times, for reasons that are unjust," or something like that. She has really missed the point that killing for revenge/fun has to have some sort of consequence (besides camping with Ed Sheeran).
Second, what is going on with the Brotherhood of Bad Ideas. How do you not plan a better exit strategy? How do you not wait until you have a few weapons made of dragonglass/obsidian? How do you not have any ranged weapons? Jon should know better because he's fought them before! Twice I think!
Third, and this drove me up the Wall.... WHERE DO THE UNDEAD GET A GIANT F#&$ING CHAIN TO RAISE A DRAGON FROM THE FROZEN DEPTHS? I mean, did they make it? Because that process takes fire, which is their major (only?) weakness. Did they just find the chains lying around? It would make more sense if the chain was made of ice, since they can manipulate ice at will (or at least, they should), but a metal chain? Did Cersei sell that off after the Battle of Blackwater Bay to help pay for Joff's wedding (shame they couldn't get their deposit back)? And why the hell isn't the Night King in the freaking Olympics after that javelin toss?

I described this episode to my cousin as a bevy of blunders and bad decisions. Both by the characters and the writers. I don't mind the pacing; I understand why they have to do it. But... yeah, this didn't hit Hardhome with me.

The pacing may be necessary but it's also part of the problem. They are utilizing so many plot devices to move things along that it becomes hard to suspend disbelief. Uncle Benjen at just the right moment, giant chains, Jon running after wights when he should be climbing on a dragon. A bit too much. And absolutely agree that the Drama at Winterfell makes very little sense.

As much as I enjoyed the episode, there were several moments that were jarring enough to take me completely out of the show.

Did everybody else think the same thing as Viserion was sinking into the lake? Wight dragon! And, of course, this pretty much locks in the favored theory for how the Army of the Dead gets through The Wall.

As soon as he sunk I was like, "Hmm... I wonder how they will resurrect him." I assumed NK would raise him like the dead at Hardhome, and arguably that would have been much more bad a$$.

An easy fix for the giant chains thing would have been NK doing the evil jazz hands, a few moments of silent tension as nothing happens, then the ice starts to crack at the shallow end of the frozen lake. Maybe tease a blue eye peeping up through ice. Then cut to black. It would have also saved them some money to be spent on the finale

Agree with all 4 points by A-Duke. I had a belly laugh with the chains. PO'd a few people I was watching with. Add to the list, Jon not dying from hypothermia. I love the series but they're really getting careless. But oh well, it is fantasy.

(08-21-2017 11:11 AM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  I actually was not as big a fan of this episode as some on here might be.

First off, Littlefinger seemed to super easily drive a wedge between Sansa and Arya. I get that they were not close as kids, but come on; it can't be THAT easy can it? Also, their brother can LITERALLY SEE EVERYTHING, so why don't they, I don't know, ask him what the hell is going on? I find Arya to be very arrogant and irritating this season. I kind of want Jaqen to kill her because "a girl has given the gift too many times, for reasons that are unjust," or something like that. She has really missed the point that killing for revenge/fun has to have some sort of consequence (besides camping with Ed Sheeran).
Second, what is going on with the Brotherhood of Bad Ideas. How do you not plan a better exit strategy? How do you not wait until you have a few weapons made of dragonglass/obsidian? How do you not have any ranged weapons? Jon should know better because he's fought them before! Twice I think!
Third, and this drove me up the Wall.... WHERE DO THE UNDEAD GET A GIANT F#&$ING CHAIN TO RAISE A DRAGON FROM THE FROZEN DEPTHS? I mean, did they make it? Because that process takes fire, which is their major (only?) weakness. Did they just find the chains lying around? It would make more sense if the chain was made of ice, since they can manipulate ice at will (or at least, they should), but a metal chain? Did Cersei sell that off after the Battle of Blackwater Bay to help pay for Joff's wedding (shame they couldn't get their deposit back)? And why the hell isn't the Night King in the freaking Olympics after that javelin toss?

I described this episode to my cousin as a bevy of blunders and bad decisions. Both by the characters and the writers. I don't mind the pacing; I understand why they have to do it. But... yeah, this didn't hit Hardhome with me.

The undead can't be around fire but White Walkers can. I imagine that they were the ones who forged the chain and forged their own armor.

The Walkers have had 8,000 years to prepare for war and it seems like they've been patiently waiting and procuring everything they need to breech The Wall. They had a truce with Craster to provide them with boys to turn into Walkers. They've sent wights to The Wall to scout.

We know that's it's possible the Night King knew dragons were coming. He has some sort of power that has allowed him to stop Bran from warging and to find him when he touched him in a vision. I think he's known that dragons have been on their way for thousands of years and timed the uprising accordingly.

Dragonstone is 1,000 miles away from Eastwatch by the sea. In 2 hours:
-Gendry ran several miles back to Eastwatch
-A raven flew from Eastwatch to Dragonstone
-Dany flew her dragons to Jon Snow/Tormond/Joroh/Beric/Clegane.
Terrible writing. Just bad bad bad bad

If a horn doesn't bring the wall down then the show is ridiculous. The dead can't pass the wall. That's right, a dead dragon or a dead giant or a dead Benjin etc cannot pass the wall. The dead were not coming for everyone. They cannot pass the wall. I simply cannot understand how "the dead are coming for us all"---???? Not if the wall is standing.