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GhentFan · 04-17-2016 08:42 PM

(04-17-2016 06:32 PM)ODU Oldtimer Wrote: Old Dominion's total operating budget for the University in the 2013-14 year as reported by the Virginia Public Higher Education Institutions list our EXPENDITURES PER ANNUAL at $4,172,369,827. The athletic side is only 2.969% of the total budget

Page 17
Link.... https://www.odu.edu/content/dam/odu/offi...an2016.pdf

$4,172,369,827

That is INSANE to me.
In the Fall I will be taking a course with no instructor. It will be just online and somebody will grade stuff after the fact. I'll just be watching pre - recorded videos, or presentations or what ever they plan to do. And it's for a rather intense course (Thermodynamics).
For $1,000 this is the crap I get.
There are far too many contract or Adjunct's teaching as it is.
$4 Billion?! my god.

(04-17-2016 06:51 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: Holy crap. How does it cost $4Billion to run a university and I can only imagine ODU is not anywhere close to the top. No wonder people are riddled with debt for half their life. There has got to be an ungodly amount of waste in that.

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Now I know what I would have done with that $Billion Powerball should I have won.
Open up a private college in the area...

paintedblue2 · 04-17-2016 08:46 PM

(04-17-2016 08:40 PM)GhentFan Wrote:
(04-17-2016 06:32 PM)ODU Oldtimer Wrote: Old Dominion's total operating budget for the University in the 2013-14 year as reported by the Virginia Public Higher Education Institutions list our EXPENDITURES PER ANNUAL at $4,172,369,827. The athletic side is only 2.969% of the total budget

Page 17
Link.... https://www.odu.edu/content/dam/odu/offi...an2016.pdf

$4,172,369,827

That is INSANE to me.
In the Fall I will be taking a course with no instructor. It will be just online and somebody will grade stuff after the fact. I'll just be watching pre - recorded videos, or presentations or what ever they plan to do. And it's for a rather intense course (Thermodynamics).
For $1,000 this is the crap I get.
There are far too many contract or Adjunct's teaching as it is.
$4 Billion?! my god.

It is insane because it is nowhere close to accurate. As I posted that
4,000,000,000+ amount was the total expenditures for ALL colleges and universities funded by the Commonwealth. ODU's was $251M.

ODU Oldtimer · 04-17-2016 09:01 PM

(04-17-2016 08:46 PM)paintedblue2 Wrote:
(04-17-2016 08:40 PM)GhentFan Wrote:
(04-17-2016 06:32 PM)ODU Oldtimer Wrote: Old Dominion's total operating budget for the University in the 2013-14 year as reported by the Virginia Public Higher Education Institutions list our EXPENDITURES PER ANNUAL at $4,172,369,827. The athletic side is only 2.969% of the total budget

Page 17
Link.... https://www.odu.edu/content/dam/odu/offi...an2016.pdf

$4,172,369,827

That is INSANE to me.
In the Fall I will be taking a course with no instructor. It will be just online and somebody will grade stuff after the fact. I'll just be watching pre - recorded videos, or presentations or what ever they plan to do. And it's for a rather intense course (Thermodynamics).
For $1,000 this is the crap I get.
There are far too many contract or Adjunct's teaching as it is.
$4 Billion?! my god.

It is insane because it is nowhere close to accurate. As I posted that
4,000,000,000+ amount was the total expenditures for ALL colleges and universities funded by the Commonwealth. ODU's was $251M.

Ouch ...your right.... but I think it is $251,173,112 Sorry

Ill correct the earlier post as well

GhentFan · 04-18-2016 05:43 AM

(04-17-2016 09:01 PM)ODU Oldtimer Wrote:
(04-17-2016 08:46 PM)paintedblue2 Wrote:
(04-17-2016 08:40 PM)GhentFan Wrote:
(04-17-2016 06:32 PM)ODU Oldtimer Wrote: Old Dominion's total operating budget for the University in the 2013-14 year as reported by the Virginia Public Higher Education Institutions list our EXPENDITURES PER ANNUAL at $4,172,369,827. The athletic side is only 2.969% of the total budget

Page 17
Link.... https://www.odu.edu/content/dam/odu/offi...an2016.pdf

$4,172,369,827

That is INSANE to me.
In the Fall I will be taking a course with no instructor. It will be just online and somebody will grade stuff after the fact. I'll just be watching pre - recorded videos, or presentations or what ever they plan to do. And it's for a rather intense course (Thermodynamics).
For $1,000 this is the crap I get.
There are far too many contract or Adjunct's teaching as it is.
$4 Billion?! my god.

It is insane because it is nowhere close to accurate. As I posted that
4,000,000,000+ amount was the total expenditures for ALL colleges and universities funded by the Commonwealth. ODU's was $251M.

Ouch ...your right.... but I think it is $251,173,112 Sorry

Ill correct the earlier post as well

I was pissed for a while last night lol. I should of verified myself last night.
I had figured it was a couple hundered Million. Thanks for the correction.

The City of Norfolk is just over a $Billion and I can see that. Couldn't see ODU anywhere near half a $Billion.

Old Dominion · 04-18-2016 06:01 AM

(04-18-2016 05:43 AM)GhentFan Wrote:
(04-17-2016 09:01 PM)ODU Oldtimer Wrote:
(04-17-2016 08:46 PM)paintedblue2 Wrote:
(04-17-2016 08:40 PM)GhentFan Wrote:
(04-17-2016 06:32 PM)ODU Oldtimer Wrote: Old Dominion's total operating budget for the University in the 2013-14 year as reported by the Virginia Public Higher Education Institutions list our EXPENDITURES PER ANNUAL at $4,172,369,827. The athletic side is only 2.969% of the total budget

Page 17
Link.... https://www.odu.edu/content/dam/odu/offi...an2016.pdf

$4,172,369,827

That is INSANE to me.
In the Fall I will be taking a course with no instructor. It will be just online and somebody will grade stuff after the fact. I'll just be watching pre - recorded videos, or presentations or what ever they plan to do. And it's for a rather intense course (Thermodynamics).
For $1,000 this is the crap I get.
There are far too many contract or Adjunct's teaching as it is.
$4 Billion?! my god.

It is insane because it is nowhere close to accurate. As I posted that
4,000,000,000+ amount was the total expenditures for ALL colleges and universities funded by the Commonwealth. ODU's was $251M.

Ouch ...your right.... but I think it is $251,173,112 Sorry

Ill correct the earlier post as well

I was pissed for a while last night lol. I should of verified myself last night.
I had figured it was a couple hundered Million. Thanks for the correction.

The City of Norfolk is just over a $Billion and I can see that. Couldn't see ODU anywhere near half a $Billion.

To your point about adjunct faculty. My experience has been they tend to be far better instructors then tenured staff. They live in the real world and aren't there just to be published.

Blue_Trombone · 04-18-2016 06:27 AM

(04-17-2016 08:40 PM)GhentFan Wrote:
(04-17-2016 06:32 PM)ODU Oldtimer Wrote: Old Dominion's total operating budget for the University in the 2013-14 year as reported by the Virginia Public Higher Education Institutions list our EXPENDITURES PER ANNUAL at $4,172,369,827. The athletic side is only 2.969% of the total budget

Page 17
Link.... https://www.odu.edu/content/dam/odu/offi...an2016.pdf

$4,172,369,827

That is INSANE to me.
In the Fall I will be taking a course with no instructor. It will be just online and somebody will grade stuff after the fact. I'll just be watching pre - recorded videos, or presentations or what ever they plan to do. And it's for a rather intense course (Thermodynamics).
For $1,000 this is the crap I get.
There are far too many contract or Adjunct's teaching as it is.
$4 Billion?! my god.

Who the crap are you taking for Thermo? If you have the chance see if you can't get into Arthur Taylor's thermo class. He made Thermodynamics one of my favorite courses I took at ODU, even with the added stress that is a 6-week summer class. He's a fantastic professor.

Gilesfan · 04-18-2016 08:35 AM

I agree on adjunct faculty. I will be trying to teach a class in the next couple years or so. They are able to provide real world examples and tend to relate to the struggles of students as well. I also took some online classes with pre recorded video, but the instructors were very hands on and communicated through email (or simply call them). Just because they aren't in the classroom for 3 hours a week doesn't mean they aren't putting the time in.

Fatalisk · 04-18-2016 09:18 AM

We ought to cut some sports.

**Monarchist13** · 04-18-2016 09:44 AM

This thread is a good example of how reactionary this board has gotten.

paintedblue2 · 04-18-2016 11:01 AM

(04-18-2016 09:18 AM)Fatalisk Wrote: We ought to cut some sports.

For what reason?

If the goal is eventual AAC membership the only men's program ODU sponsors which the AAC does not is wrestling. I don't know what the requirements would be as far as having to compete in all AAC sponsored sports, but they also sponsor softball, and W. volleyball (two sports ODU probably needs to add to become title IX compliant.) The AAC also has indoor and outdoor track and field, and cross country.

ODU86 · 04-18-2016 12:07 PM

(04-18-2016 09:44 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote: This thread is a good example of how reactionary this board has gotten.

I immediately resented this comment. You have no idea what you are talking about. Nobody on this board overreacts.

MonGNARch · 04-18-2016 12:47 PM

(04-18-2016 11:01 AM)paintedblue2 Wrote:
(04-18-2016 09:18 AM)Fatalisk Wrote: We ought to cut some sports.

For what reason?

If the goal is eventual AAC membership the only men's program ODU sponsors which the AAC does not is wrestling. I don't know what the requirements would be as far as having to compete in all AAC sponsored sports, but they also sponsor softball, and W. volleyball (two sports ODU probably needs to add to become title IX compliant.) The AAC also has indoor and outdoor track and field, and cross country.

Well I certainly hope we don't drop wrestling... Even though I'm sure you're not implying that

paintedblue2 · 04-18-2016 12:48 PM

(04-18-2016 12:07 PM)ODU86 Wrote:
(04-18-2016 09:44 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote: This thread is a good example of how reactionary this board has gotten.

I immediately resented this comment. You have no idea what you are talking about. Nobody on this board overreacts.

**ODUalum78** · 04-18-2016 12:50 PM

(04-18-2016 12:07 PM)ODU86 Wrote:
(04-18-2016 09:44 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote: This thread is a good example of how reactionary this board has gotten.

I immediately resented this comment. You have no idea what you are talking about. Nobody on this board overreacts.

ODU1986 · 04-18-2016 01:42 PM

I don't believe those athletic budgets are "apples to apples" comparisons in as far as I know there are no standard accounting policies for these budgets.

For instances one university may include the operating cost of their basketball arena in their athletic budget, but another university may carry that cost somewhere else.

ETSUDB8-79 · 04-18-2016 02:00 PM

(04-18-2016 12:07 PM)ODU86 Wrote:
(04-18-2016 09:44 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote: This thread is a good example of how reactionary this board has gotten.

I immediately resented this comment. You have no idea what you are talking about. Nobody on this board overreacts.

Both of you obviously know nothing about message board posters and haven't a clue about how MP posting really works. If you had a clue you would not post such insane, poorly thought out stuff which invites personal insults and derision. Indeed your comments scream for it. 04-chairshot

The only folks who clearly know less than you sad uninformed ingrates are actual current and former college players, coaches and athletic directors. Shame on you. 05-stirthepot

GhentFan · 04-18-2016 03:04 PM

(04-18-2016 08:35 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: I agree on adjunct faculty. I will be trying to teach a class in the next couple years or so. They are able to provide real world examples and tend to relate to the struggles of students as well. I also took some online classes with pre recorded video, but the instructors were very hands on and communicated through email (or simply call them). Just because they aren't in the classroom for 3 hours a week doesn't mean they aren't putting the time in.

I have no problem with the faculty that are moving in or just want to teach for a little bit. I do have a problem with the abuse of the adjuncts on how little they get paid and how they are treated. That's for another discussion.

My problem with doing the online prerecorded classes is that I am going to this school to have my butt in the seat. I chose ODU because it's close.
Had I wanted to do my Engineering Degree online, I could have chosen so many other schools.

My reaction had more to do with $4Billion and what the services the school provides for that budget. It was an incorrect number. I still have problems with having to do my class online. Again, If I wanted that I would have chose another school.

GhentFan · 04-18-2016 03:10 PM

(04-18-2016 06:27 AM)Blue_Trombone Wrote: Who the crap are you taking for Thermo? If you have the chance see if you can't get into Arthur Taylor's thermo class. He made Thermodynamics one of my favorite courses I took at ODU, even with the added stress that is a 6-week summer class. He's a fantastic professor.

Right Now, Luetke. But it is no time, no building. Just logging into Bb and watching videos. Its a new type of delivery method or something. Wrong class IMO to experiment with this type of delivery.

JCMiner · 07-19-2018 10:31 AM

(04-17-2016 05:31 PM)ODU Oldtimer Wrote: Additional Budget info comparisons for Schools in CUSA

School general fund subsidy (Least to most)

1) ODU $0
2). Charlotte $355,855
3). UTSA $1,761,776
4). Southern Miss $2,703,940
5). FIU $3,543,000
6). FAU $7,018,524
7). Marshall $8,117,328
8). North Texas -$9,354,805
9). LA Tech $9,683,929
10). UTEP $10,014,493
11). MTSU -$12,293,238
12). UAB -14,106,645
13). WKU $15,793,780

Ticket sale revenues (Most to least)

1). ODU $3,856,010
2). Marshall $3,484,027
3). Southern Miss $2,703,940
4). UTEP $2,485,703
5). WKU $2,224,966
6). UTSA $2,155,482
7). UAB $2,006,402
8). LA Tech $1,723,061
9). North Texas $1,593,007
10). Charlotte $1,573,256
11). MTSU $1,481,486
12). FAU $1,075,903
13). FIU $733,215

Contributions. Donations (most to least)

1). ODU $5,310,592
2). MTSU $4,433,074
3). Charlotte $4,393,765
4). LA Tech $4,258,498
5). Southern Miss $4,189,297
6). Marshall $3,669,735
7). UAB $3,327,715
8). UTSA $3,102,157
9). UTEP $2,907,737
10). North Texas $2,484,532
11). WKU $2,158,797
12). FAU $1,885,080
13). FIU $152,821

rights / licensing (Most to least)
1). UTEP $6,789,503
2). UTSA $6,505,544
3). North Texas $6,209,156
4). Marshall $5,834,799
5). Southern Miss $5,777,084
6). MTSU $5,157,550
7). FAU $5,168,967
8). UAB $4,971,488
9), ODU $4,924,241
10). WKU $4,773,722
11). Charlotte $4,169,596
12). LA Tech $4,013,782
13). FIU $3,954,078

Had to bump this thread because I’m doing some research. Where did you find the figures for contributions/donations? The reason I ask is that our AD is on a campaign to get 4,000 donors that contribute at least $100. He claims that would put us at the top of CUSA. https://www.ktsm.com/news/local/el-paso-...1309689135
I’m wondering if that’s true.

**Monarchist13** · 07-19-2018 10:52 AM

(07-19-2018 10:31 AM)JCMiner Wrote: Had to bump this thread because I’m doing some research. Where did you find the figures for contributions/donations? The reason I ask is that our AD is on a campaign to get 4,000 donors that contribute at least $100. He claims that would put us at the top of CUSA. https://www.ktsm.com/news/local/el-paso-...1309689135
I’m wondering if that’s true.

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

Your AD is not saying that would be the most money raised, he's saying 4k donors would be the highest total in the conference.

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