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RE: Baseball Recruiting
(Yesterday 09:10 AM)Owl1998 Wrote:  Timothy Williamson from Tomball Memorial. He WAS a Rice commit.

This will be a recurring theme now that word is out that Rice commitments are a one way street.

I agree the 2019 class may have had some issues but honestly I’m pretty pleased from what I’m seeing in the ‘20 and ‘21 classes from Bragga and staff.
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RE: Baseball Recruiting
(Yesterday 09:20 AM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  
(Yesterday 09:10 AM)Owl1998 Wrote:  Timothy Williamson from Tomball Memorial. He WAS a Rice commit.

This will be a recurring theme now that word is out that Rice commitments are a one way street.

I agree the 2019 class may have had some issues but honestly I’m pretty pleased from what I’m seeing in the ‘20 and ‘21 classes from Bragga and staff.

If they stay committed.
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RE: Baseball Recruiting
(Yesterday 09:22 AM)Owl1998 Wrote:  
(Yesterday 09:20 AM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  
(Yesterday 09:10 AM)Owl1998 Wrote:  Timothy Williamson from Tomball Memorial. He WAS a Rice commit.

This will be a recurring theme now that word is out that Rice commitments are a one way street.

I agree the 2019 class may have had some issues but honestly I’m pretty pleased from what I’m seeing in the ‘20 and ‘21 classes from Bragga and staff.

If they stay committed.

Yes, and that's true of the commits from any program. Look, I respect your perspective, and have no doubt that much of what you say is true, but by constantly repeating your same negative views regarding Bragga is beginning to sound like you have an ax to grind....and we all know, as you made it very clear, that you were strongly behind Berkman's candidacy for the job. BTW, you say the traveling teams and coaches now have a very negative view toward Bragga due to his pulling several commitments this past Summer, but do tell then how we just recently signed the very highly regarded catcher prospects, LaRue and Garza, both from traveling squads (Lonestar Baseball and Bandito Scout)?

Again, I respect your POV and value your insights, but can we stop harping on the actions Bragga took immediately after taking over the program, and start evaluating his recruiting based on what his does going forward?
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RE: Baseball Recruiting
(Yesterday 09:40 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(Yesterday 09:22 AM)Owl1998 Wrote:  
(Yesterday 09:20 AM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  
(Yesterday 09:10 AM)Owl1998 Wrote:  Timothy Williamson from Tomball Memorial. He WAS a Rice commit.

This will be a recurring theme now that word is out that Rice commitments are a one way street.

I agree the 2019 class may have had some issues but honestly I’m pretty pleased from what I’m seeing in the ‘20 and ‘21 classes from Bragga and staff.

If they stay committed.

Yes, and that's true of the commits from any program. Look, I respect your perspective, and have no doubt that much of what you say is true, but by constantly repeating your same negative views regarding Bragga is beginning to sound like you have an ax to grind....and we all know, as you made it very clear, that you were strongly behind Berkman's candidacy for the job. BTW, you say the traveling teams and coaches now have a very negative view toward Bragga due to his pulling several commitments this past Summer, but do tell then how we just recently signed the very highly regarded catcher prospects, LaRue and Garza, both from traveling squads (Lonestar Baseball and Bandito Scout)?

Again, I respect your POV and value your insights, but can we stop harping on the actions Bragga took immediately after taking over the program, and start evaluating his recruiting based on what his does going forward?

Let me try to explain something to you, Walt. First, I don't care what you think about my harping on this issue. Secondly, I very, VERY rarely post on this board anymore. In fact, I've spoken on this issue only when the relevant topic was brought up (i.e. after he pulled the offers and now that signing day has come and gone). Thirdly, you yourself posted direct comments to Coach Barton on Twitter yesterday complaining (rather insultingly I might add) about how other schools have released their list of signees but Rice hasn't. I simply posted a reply explaining some of the reasons for this lack of publication. 2 of those reasons are VALID and I hoped that some people would understand that I was giving an INFORMED explanation of the issue.

I realize you love to shoot down anyone with a differing opinion than yours (party of tolerance and all) but I will continue to say whatever I want to say provided that its done in an informed and non-harmful way. I've said nothing personally insulting about Coach Bragga. In fact, I think he's probably a GREAT guy and he's definitely a helluva baseball coach. My job deals with kids/coaches/travel ball/recruiting so I have a strong opinion of what a good strategy is with Texas coaches. I believe its well tested and proven that pulling offers with very little evaluation from kids who had 1-2 years worth of planning for their future is a negative way to start the new era. If you disagree with that, fine. Its ok. We don't have to agree on everything. I hope Coach Bragga and his staff get it turned around. I truly do. But I'm also a very honest and informed person regarding this issue.
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RE: Baseball Recruiting
(Yesterday 09:53 AM)Owl1998 Wrote:  
(Yesterday 09:40 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(Yesterday 09:22 AM)Owl1998 Wrote:  
(Yesterday 09:20 AM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  
(Yesterday 09:10 AM)Owl1998 Wrote:  Timothy Williamson from Tomball Memorial. He WAS a Rice commit.

This will be a recurring theme now that word is out that Rice commitments are a one way street.

I agree the 2019 class may have had some issues but honestly I’m pretty pleased from what I’m seeing in the ‘20 and ‘21 classes from Bragga and staff.

If they stay committed.

Yes, and that's true of the commits from any program. Look, I respect your perspective, and have no doubt that much of what you say is true, but by constantly repeating your same negative views regarding Bragga is beginning to sound like you have an ax to grind....and we all know, as you made it very clear, that you were strongly behind Berkman's candidacy for the job. BTW, you say the traveling teams and coaches now have a very negative view toward Bragga due to his pulling several commitments this past Summer, but do tell then how we just recently signed the very highly regarded catcher prospects, LaRue and Garza, both from traveling squads (Lonestar Baseball and Bandito Scout)?

Again, I respect your POV and value your insights, but can we stop harping on the actions Bragga took immediately after taking over the program, and start evaluating his recruiting based on what his does going forward?

Let me try to explain something to you, Walt. First, I don't care what you think about my harping on this issue. Secondly, I very, VERY rarely post on this board anymore. In fact, I've spoken on this issue only when the relevant topic was brought up (i.e. after he pulled the offers and now that signing day has come and gone). Thirdly, you yourself posted direct comments to Coach Barton on Twitter yesterday complaining (rather insultingly I might add) about how other schools have released their list of signees but Rice hasn't. I simply posted a reply explaining some of the reasons for this lack of publication. 2 of those reasons are VALID and I hoped that some people would understand that I was giving an INFORMED explanation of the issue.

I realize you love to shoot down anyone with a differing opinion than yours (party of tolerance and all) but I will continue to say whatever I want to say provided that its done in an informed and non-harmful way. I've said nothing personally insulting about Coach Bragga. In fact, I think he's probably a GREAT guy and he's definitely a helluva baseball coach. My job deals with kids/coaches/travel ball/recruiting so I have a strong opinion of what a good strategy is with Texas coaches. I believe its well tested and proven that pulling offers with very little evaluation from kids who had 1-2 years worth of planning for their future is a negative way to start the new era. If you disagree with that, fine. Its ok. We don't have to agree on everything. I hope Coach Bragga and his staff get it turned around. I truly do. But I'm also a very honest and informed person regarding this issue.

Keep the insults coming. (You'll note I did not personally attack you in my post above.) Now try answering my original question-- if the traveling teams and coaches are so up in arms over what Bragga did in pulling several commits this past Summer, how in the world did he get early commits for the '20 and '21 classes from two of the most highly regarded catchers in the state, and both from traveling squads?
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RE: Baseball Recruiting
(Yesterday 09:58 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(Yesterday 09:53 AM)Owl1998 Wrote:  
(Yesterday 09:40 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(Yesterday 09:22 AM)Owl1998 Wrote:  
(Yesterday 09:20 AM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  I agree the 2019 class may have had some issues but honestly I’m pretty pleased from what I’m seeing in the ‘20 and ‘21 classes from Bragga and staff.

If they stay committed.

Yes, and that's true of the commits from any program. Look, I respect your perspective, and have no doubt that much of what you say is true, but by constantly repeating your same negative views regarding Bragga is beginning to sound like you have an ax to grind....and we all know, as you made it very clear, that you were strongly behind Berkman's candidacy for the job. BTW, you say the traveling teams and coaches now have a very negative view toward Bragga due to his pulling several commitments this past Summer, but do tell then how we just recently signed the very highly regarded catcher prospects, LaRue and Garza, both from traveling squads (Lonestar Baseball and Bandito Scout)?

Again, I respect your POV and value your insights, but can we stop harping on the actions Bragga took immediately after taking over the program, and start evaluating his recruiting based on what his does going forward?

Let me try to explain something to you, Walt. First, I don't care what you think about my harping on this issue. Secondly, I very, VERY rarely post on this board anymore. In fact, I've spoken on this issue only when the relevant topic was brought up (i.e. after he pulled the offers and now that signing day has come and gone). Thirdly, you yourself posted direct comments to Coach Barton on Twitter yesterday complaining (rather insultingly I might add) about how other schools have released their list of signees but Rice hasn't. I simply posted a reply explaining some of the reasons for this lack of publication. 2 of those reasons are VALID and I hoped that some people would understand that I was giving an INFORMED explanation of the issue.

I realize you love to shoot down anyone with a differing opinion than yours (party of tolerance and all) but I will continue to say whatever I want to say provided that its done in an informed and non-harmful way. I've said nothing personally insulting about Coach Bragga. In fact, I think he's probably a GREAT guy and he's definitely a helluva baseball coach. My job deals with kids/coaches/travel ball/recruiting so I have a strong opinion of what a good strategy is with Texas coaches. I believe its well tested and proven that pulling offers with very little evaluation from kids who had 1-2 years worth of planning for their future is a negative way to start the new era. If you disagree with that, fine. Its ok. We don't have to agree on everything. I hope Coach Bragga and his staff get it turned around. I truly do. But I'm also a very honest and informed person regarding this issue.

Keep the insults coming. (You'll note I did not personally attack you in my post above.) Now try answering my original question-- if the traveling teams and coaches are so up in arms over what Bragga did in pulling several commits this past Summer, how in the world did he get early commits for the '20 and '21 classes from two of the most highly regarded catchers in the state, and both from traveling squads?

Walt, travel coaches and high school coaches talking/discussing what Rice has done will not cause the program to fold due to never signing another kid. But to think it won't have an impact on some kids is foolish. Did you think in my post about coaches being pissed that I meant there would never be another kid commit to Rice? My goodness....

Yes, Rice will still have a recruiting class each year, Walt. But there are kids who previously were strongly considering Rice that have now removed them from their schools of interest.
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