SEC sets Attendance Record

Note the ever growing gap between #1/2 and everyone else....

It's pretty impressive actually. Attendance had been falling more or less for a few years.

I noticed the ACC was last in this regard.

(04-06-2016 02:38 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  It's pretty impressive actually. Attendance had been falling more or less for a few years.

I noticed the ACC was last in this regard.

Only two ACC schools fit anywhere near the middle of the SEC numbers: Clemson around 81,000 and Florida State in the high 70's on a good year.

That's part of what's so impressive about SEC attendance is it's depth.

Most of the other conferences are relying on one or two strong programs to lift their attendance. For example, take away OU and UT and the Big 12 averages ACC level attendance...and with the ACC, take away Clemson and FSU and you're flirting with AAC numbers.

But in the SEC, even our favorite blue basketball school averaged a higher attendance this season than most so called FB schools in the B12, PAC and B1G did. And 9 of 14 schools (possibly soon to be 10 if Mizzou decides to pull the trigger on their end zone expansion which would put them at 80k) average 75K or better a year.

(04-06-2016 05:06 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  That's part of what's so impressive about SEC attendance is it's depth.

Most of the other conferences are relying on one or two strong programs to lift their attendance. For example, take away OU and UT and the Big 12 averages ACC level attendance...and with the ACC, take away Clemson and FSU and you're flirting with AAC numbers.

But in the SEC, even our favorite blue basketball school averaged a higher attendance this season than most so called FB schools in the B12, PAC and B1G did. And 9 of 14 schools (possibly soon to be 10 if Mizzou decides to pull the trigger on their end zone expansion which would put them at 80k) average 75K or better a year.

Can you imagine what our average would be without Vanderbilt's numbers in the mix? Two seasons ago when we averaged 75,000 plus the Commodore's averaged 35,000.

(04-06-2016 04:49 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-06-2016 02:38 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  It's pretty impressive actually. Attendance had been falling more or less for a few years.

I noticed the ACC was last in this regard.

Only two ACC schools fit anywhere near the middle of the SEC numbers: Clemson around 81,000 and Florida State in the high 70's on a good year.

It will be interesting to see if Louisville can sellout their upcoming expansion. Coming from a time when they couldn't even give tickets away 30 years ago to averaging 50+k has been quite a transformation.

(04-06-2016 05:08 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-06-2016 05:06 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  That's part of what's so impressive about SEC attendance is it's depth.

Most of the other conferences are relying on one or two strong programs to lift their attendance. For example, take away OU and UT and the Big 12 averages ACC level attendance...and with the ACC, take away Clemson and FSU and you're flirting with AAC numbers.

But in the SEC, even our favorite blue basketball school averaged a higher attendance this season than most so called FB schools in the B12, PAC and B1G did. And 9 of 14 schools (possibly soon to be 10 if Mizzou decides to pull the trigger on their end zone expansion which would put them at 80k) average 75K or better a year.

Can you imagine what our average would be without Vanderbilt's numbers in the mix? Two seasons ago when we averaged 75,000 plus the Commodore's averaged 35,000.

True, we would have only the Mississippi schools bringing up the rear in attendance.

On a side note, did the SEC lead in attendance last season by come up second to the B1G in TV viewership?

(04-07-2016 03:33 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  

(04-06-2016 05:08 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-06-2016 05:06 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  That's part of what's so impressive about SEC attendance is it's depth.

Most of the other conferences are relying on one or two strong programs to lift their attendance. For example, take away OU and UT and the Big 12 averages ACC level attendance...and with the ACC, take away Clemson and FSU and you're flirting with AAC numbers.

But in the SEC, even our favorite blue basketball school averaged a higher attendance this season than most so called FB schools in the B12, PAC and B1G did. And 9 of 14 schools (possibly soon to be 10 if Mizzou decides to pull the trigger on their end zone expansion which would put them at 80k) average 75K or better a year.

Can you imagine what our average would be without Vanderbilt's numbers in the mix? Two seasons ago when we averaged 75,000 plus the Commodore's averaged 35,000.

True, we would have only the Mississippi schools bringing up the rear in attendance.

On a side note, did the SEC lead in attendance last season by come up second to the B1G in TV viewership?

I'm pretty sure we led all categories: Attendance, % of viewers, ratings, and income.

(04-07-2016 04:35 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-07-2016 03:33 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  

(04-06-2016 05:08 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-06-2016 05:06 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  That's part of what's so impressive about SEC attendance is it's depth.

Most of the other conferences are relying on one or two strong programs to lift their attendance. For example, take away OU and UT and the Big 12 averages ACC level attendance...and with the ACC, take away Clemson and FSU and you're flirting with AAC numbers.

But in the SEC, even our favorite blue basketball school averaged a higher attendance this season than most so called FB schools in the B12, PAC and B1G did. And 9 of 14 schools (possibly soon to be 10 if Mizzou decides to pull the trigger on their end zone expansion which would put them at 80k) average 75K or better a year.

Can you imagine what our average would be without Vanderbilt's numbers in the mix? Two seasons ago when we averaged 75,000 plus the Commodore's averaged 35,000.

True, we would have only the Mississippi schools bringing up the rear in attendance.

On a side note, did the SEC lead in attendance last season by come up second to the B1G in TV viewership?

I'm pretty sure we led all categories: Attendance, % of viewers, ratings, and income.

I forget what board it was, but one of the B1G fanboys had some stat saying the B1G beat the SEC in ratings. Just wondering if anyone had any hard evidence of that.

(04-07-2016 05:56 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  

(04-07-2016 04:35 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-07-2016 03:33 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  

(04-06-2016 05:08 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-06-2016 05:06 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  That's part of what's so impressive about SEC attendance is it's depth.

Most of the other conferences are relying on one or two strong programs to lift their attendance. For example, take away OU and UT and the Big 12 averages ACC level attendance...and with the ACC, take away Clemson and FSU and you're flirting with AAC numbers.

But in the SEC, even our favorite blue basketball school averaged a higher attendance this season than most so called FB schools in the B12, PAC and B1G did. And 9 of 14 schools (possibly soon to be 10 if Mizzou decides to pull the trigger on their end zone expansion which would put them at 80k) average 75K or better a year.

Can you imagine what our average would be without Vanderbilt's numbers in the mix? Two seasons ago when we averaged 75,000 plus the Commodore's averaged 35,000.

True, we would have only the Mississippi schools bringing up the rear in attendance.

On a side note, did the SEC lead in attendance last season by come up second to the B1G in TV viewership?

I'm pretty sure we led all categories: Attendance, % of viewers, ratings, and income.

I forget what board it was, but one of the B1G fanboys had some stat saying the B1G beat the SEC in ratings. Just wondering if anyone had any hard evidence of that.

They pull crap like out of the 5 best viewed games in the 7:00 PM time slot the Big 10 beat the SEC in ratings. They only have 5 brands that matter. Even if they all played each other it would only be 11 games. The Big 10 doesn't count the crap T3 games on the BTN in their ratings. So what they did was take a sample that favored them and built a story around it rather than to compare apples to apples with all games televised for each conference.

Lord only knows what their finite criteria was if they claimed it!

(04-07-2016 06:06 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-07-2016 05:56 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  

(04-07-2016 04:35 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-07-2016 03:33 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  

(04-06-2016 05:08 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Can you imagine what our average would be without Vanderbilt's numbers in the mix? Two seasons ago when we averaged 75,000 plus the Commodore's averaged 35,000.

True, we would have only the Mississippi schools bringing up the rear in attendance.

On a side note, did the SEC lead in attendance last season by come up second to the B1G in TV viewership?

I'm pretty sure we led all categories: Attendance, % of viewers, ratings, and income.

I forget what board it was, but one of the B1G fanboys had some stat saying the B1G beat the SEC in ratings. Just wondering if anyone had any hard evidence of that.

They pull crap like out of the 5 best viewed games in the 7:00 PM time slot the Big 10 beat the SEC in ratings. They only have 5 brands that matter. Even if they all played each other it would only be 11 games. The Big 10 doesn't count the crap T3 games on the BTN in their ratings. So what they did was take a sample that favored them and built a story around it rather than to compare apples to apples with all games televised for each conference.

Lord only knows what their finite criteria was if they claimed it!

You mean like tripling TV revenues this summer from their contracts that are up for bidding? lol

(04-08-2016 03:13 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  

(04-07-2016 06:06 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-07-2016 05:56 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  

(04-07-2016 04:35 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-07-2016 03:33 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  True, we would have only the Mississippi schools bringing up the rear in attendance.

On a side note, did the SEC lead in attendance last season by come up second to the B1G in TV viewership?

I'm pretty sure we led all categories: Attendance, % of viewers, ratings, and income.

I forget what board it was, but one of the B1G fanboys had some stat saying the B1G beat the SEC in ratings. Just wondering if anyone had any hard evidence of that.

They pull crap like out of the 5 best viewed games in the 7:00 PM time slot the Big 10 beat the SEC in ratings. They only have 5 brands that matter. Even if they all played each other it would only be 11 games. The Big 10 doesn't count the crap T3 games on the BTN in their ratings. So what they did was take a sample that favored them and built a story around it rather than to compare apples to apples with all games televised for each conference.

Lord only knows what their finite criteria was if they claimed it!

You mean like tripling TV revenues this summer from their contracts that are up for bidding? lol

I googled the ratings and never found anything comprehensive but I did find something definitive. CBS set records last year for its broadcasts and they had the best ratings of anyone for the year. Of course their product is the SEC. So there you have it.

(04-08-2016 03:13 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  

(04-07-2016 06:06 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-07-2016 05:56 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  

(04-07-2016 04:35 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-07-2016 03:33 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  True, we would have only the Mississippi schools bringing up the rear in attendance.

On a side note, did the SEC lead in attendance last season by come up second to the B1G in TV viewership?

I'm pretty sure we led all categories: Attendance, % of viewers, ratings, and income.

I forget what board it was, but one of the B1G fanboys had some stat saying the B1G beat the SEC in ratings. Just wondering if anyone had any hard evidence of that.

They pull crap like out of the 5 best viewed games in the 7:00 PM time slot the Big 10 beat the SEC in ratings. They only have 5 brands that matter. Even if they all played each other it would only be 11 games. The Big 10 doesn't count the crap T3 games on the BTN in their ratings. So what they did was take a sample that favored them and built a story around it rather than to compare apples to apples with all games televised for each conference.

Lord only knows what their finite criteria was if they claimed it!

You mean like tripling TV revenues this summer from their contracts that are up for bidding? lol

Yeah, I've never understood these guys that say the B1G is going to blow everyone out of the water. If your ratings are not tops then you're not going to make significantly more than what you're making now. What executive in their right mind is going to talk to B1G officials and say..."well, we know the SEC gets consistently better ratings than you, but we're going to give way more money than those folks because we can't afford to lose you." Um no, that's not how it works. All they would be doing is setting themselves up for another massive increase when the SEC comes back to the bargaining table.

It doesn't matter as much that live sports are still very popular. Profit margins matter just as much and networks aren't in the business of giving away money they don't have to spend. I also tend to agree with the idea that we've just about reached our peak especially considering the coming wave of cord cutting.

I wasn't really sure about the move the SEC made to re-up with ESPN and CBS for another 10 years after the SEC Network deal, but I could have been way off base. If the days of exponential increases are over then locking in the top dollar rate for another decade may have been a very smart move. Time will tell I suppose.

Now, I don't know, the B1G may end up coming out of these negotiations with more money than the SEC. That only proves one thing to me though and that is that the SEC is undervalued. Of course, the fact that the SEC Network is really just getting started is a part of that value equation. The BTN has been needed to keep pace with the SEC for several years now. What happens when the SECN's startup costs are fully paid for and it's open season on new distribution?

(04-09-2016 12:01 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(04-08-2016 03:13 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  

(04-07-2016 06:06 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-07-2016 05:56 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  

(04-07-2016 04:35 PM)JRsec Wrote:  I'm pretty sure we led all categories: Attendance, % of viewers, ratings, and income.

I forget what board it was, but one of the B1G fanboys had some stat saying the B1G beat the SEC in ratings. Just wondering if anyone had any hard evidence of that.

They pull crap like out of the 5 best viewed games in the 7:00 PM time slot the Big 10 beat the SEC in ratings. They only have 5 brands that matter. Even if they all played each other it would only be 11 games. The Big 10 doesn't count the crap T3 games on the BTN in their ratings. So what they did was take a sample that favored them and built a story around it rather than to compare apples to apples with all games televised for each conference.

Lord only knows what their finite criteria was if they claimed it!

You mean like tripling TV revenues this summer from their contracts that are up for bidding? lol

Yeah, I've never understood these guys that say the B1G is going to blow everyone out of the water. If your ratings are not tops then you're not going to make significantly more than what you're making now. What executive in their right mind is going to talk to B1G officials and say..."well, we know the SEC gets consistently better ratings than you, but we're going to give way more money than those folks because we can't afford to lose you." Um no, that's not how it works. All they would be doing is setting themselves up for another massive increase when the SEC comes back to the bargaining table.

It doesn't matter as much that live sports are still very popular. Profit margins matter just as much and networks aren't in the business of giving away money they don't have to spend. I also tend to agree with the idea that we've just about reached our peak especially considering the coming wave of cord cutting.

I wasn't really sure about the move the SEC made to re-up with ESPN and CBS for another 10 years after the SEC Network deal, but I could have been way off base. If the days of exponential increases are over then locking in the top dollar rate for another decade may have been a very smart move. Time will tell I suppose.

Now, I don't know, the B1G may end up coming out of these negotiations with more money than the SEC. That only proves one thing to me though and that is that the SEC is undervalued. Of course, the fact that the SEC Network is really just getting started is a part of that value equation. The BTN has been needed to keep pace with the SEC for several years now. What happens when the SECN's startup costs are fully paid for and it's open season on new distribution?

Looks like the SEC sold when the market was at its peek. I have no complaints about that.

I agree that I don't see the B1G getting a contract that surpasses the SEC's. Not enough quality match ups in the top two tiers. Also, it there are so many bidders, why didn't they try and bid on the SEC's inventory during our look-in?

(04-09-2016 06:03 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  

(04-09-2016 12:01 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(04-08-2016 03:13 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  

(04-07-2016 06:06 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-07-2016 05:56 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  I forget what board it was, but one of the B1G fanboys had some stat saying the B1G beat the SEC in ratings. Just wondering if anyone had any hard evidence of that.

They pull crap like out of the 5 best viewed games in the 7:00 PM time slot the Big 10 beat the SEC in ratings. They only have 5 brands that matter. Even if they all played each other it would only be 11 games. The Big 10 doesn't count the crap T3 games on the BTN in their ratings. So what they did was take a sample that favored them and built a story around it rather than to compare apples to apples with all games televised for each conference.

Lord only knows what their finite criteria was if they claimed it!

You mean like tripling TV revenues this summer from their contracts that are up for bidding? lol

Yeah, I've never understood these guys that say the B1G is going to blow everyone out of the water. If your ratings are not tops then you're not going to make significantly more than what you're making now. What executive in their right mind is going to talk to B1G officials and say..."well, we know the SEC gets consistently better ratings than you, but we're going to give way more money than those folks because we can't afford to lose you." Um no, that's not how it works. All they would be doing is setting themselves up for another massive increase when the SEC comes back to the bargaining table.

It doesn't matter as much that live sports are still very popular. Profit margins matter just as much and networks aren't in the business of giving away money they don't have to spend. I also tend to agree with the idea that we've just about reached our peak especially considering the coming wave of cord cutting.

I wasn't really sure about the move the SEC made to re-up with ESPN and CBS for another 10 years after the SEC Network deal, but I could have been way off base. If the days of exponential increases are over then locking in the top dollar rate for another decade may have been a very smart move. Time will tell I suppose.

Now, I don't know, the B1G may end up coming out of these negotiations with more money than the SEC. That only proves one thing to me though and that is that the SEC is undervalued. Of course, the fact that the SEC Network is really just getting started is a part of that value equation. The BTN has been needed to keep pace with the SEC for several years now. What happens when the SECN's startup costs are fully paid for and it's open season on new distribution?

Looks like the SEC sold when the market was at its peek. I have no complaints about that.

I agree that I don't see the B1G getting a contract that surpasses the SEC's. Not enough quality match ups in the top two tiers. Also, it there are so many bidders, why didn't they try and bid on the SEC's inventory during our look-in?

Even if the Big 10 pulls a diamond out of their butts with two good additions and a boost, the SEC can move in the midst of that instability make a couple of additions and renegotiate. So meh. I like where we are too.

Jon Nyatawa ‏@JonNyatawa 2h2 hours ago
Jim Delany confirmed negotiations have started in regard to the Big Ten's new media rights deal. He said nothing more on the topic.

It has begun.