Here is the info that everyone needs to understand, including Jon Boy Alger.

JMU has a long basketball history with members of the ECAC South and the CAA. Those peers have made the move to provide COA while JMU has decided not to compete anymore.

These Virginia athletic peer schools and former conference mates have committed to COA in basketball...
George Mason
ODU
Richmond
VCU

The only Virginia school and conference mate not offering COA is William & Mary.
Jon Boy Alger has aligned us athletically with William & Mary!
When you compare William & Mary's basketball program to the 4 schools listed above, it is clearly in last place. Not even close.

What kind of irreparable damage is Jon Boy Alger doing to our program?

(04-03-2016 08:03 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(04-02-2016 11:07 AM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  How many teams in the CAA are paying COA?? Apologies if this has been answered before.



This type of info has been a little difficult to find on many non P5 teams.

While answering your question will have some merit, I am of the belief that kids and their parents are much more likely to say, who does JMU compete against? We need to be setting our standards above the CAA not equal to and certainly not lower than.

We know that Towson is offering it for MBB and I believe CoC is as well. Most likely UNCW will be offering it and will announce in a few months, but definitely out in the open and on the table for them.

My belief is that JMU moves rather slow and once that choice is made, they'll take another year to implement. In other words, our coaches are screwed.

Thus my comment "dress for the job you want, not the one you have."

I believe we can still be competitive in the CAA without offering COA, but if our goal is to be a national university with athletics being part of that vision, failing to offer COA is contrary to that goal.

Even Longwood offers COA.

(04-03-2016 05:56 PM)UofRfan Wrote:  Even Longwood offers COA.

LONGWOOD should be Div.2.

Incredible that they are paying COA!!

(04-04-2016 02:23 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  LONGWOOD should be Div.2.

Incredible that they are paying COA!!

Is this true? I grew up in Farmville where longwood is located and cant tell you how absurd it is that we are even talking about these two schools in the same sentence. Wtf JMU?!?!

List of All D-1 Schools in Virginia and their COA status (with Links/notes)

[√] = YES to COA
[X] = No COA at this time
[] = Signed an anti-COA letter titled "Another Presidential Perspective on College Athletics"

[√] George Mason University (providing cost of attendance to scholarship men’s and women’s basketball players)
[X] Hampton University
[] James Madison University
[√] Liberty University (offers cost of attendance to all scholarship student-athletes, regardless of sport)
[√] Longwood University (providing cost of attendance to scholarship men’s and women’s basketball players)
[X] Norfolk State University (NSU not opposed to COA but doesn't have the budget for it at this time)
[√] Old Dominion University (ODU is EXPECTED to pay COA in 16/17)
[√] Radford University (providing cost of attendance to scholarship men’s and women’s basketball players)
[√] University of Richmond (providing cost of attendance to scholarship men’s and women’s basketball players, and other sports if needed and if scholly funds available)
[√] University of Virginia (offers cost of attendance to all scholarship student-athletes, regardless of sport)
[√] Virginia Commonwealth University (offers cost of attendance to all scholarship student-athletes, regardless of sport)
[] Virginia Military Institute (VMI says No to COA; with detailed reasoning)
[√] Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University (offers cost of attendance to all scholarship student-athletes, regardless of sport; interesting baseball note)
[] College of William and Mary

The Big South is requiring their schools to offer COA in men's and women's basketball. So yes, we are at a competitive disadvantage against schools in the Big South.

(04-04-2016 03:01 PM)bridgeforthduke Wrote:  The Big South is requiring their schools to offer COA in men's and women's basketball. So yes, we are at a competitive disadvantage against schools in the Big South.

Radford puts a huge priority on their basketball programs, so this doesn't surprise me.
Talent is no longer what we are after- we just want students that want to go here that happen to play basketball. Hopefully they'll be good. Maybe they'll even like our coach!
Or maybe players that don't need the COA. So yeah... we're in trouble.

The BIG SOUTH is sure to use that as a competitive edge wherever possible.Over time it may allow them to differentiate themselves from the OVC,America East.or A-SUN.

(04-04-2016 03:05 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(04-04-2016 03:01 PM)bridgeforthduke Wrote:  The Big South is requiring their schools to offer COA in men's and women's basketball. So yes, we are at a competitive disadvantage against schools in the Big South.

Radford puts a huge priority on their basketball programs, so this doesn't surprise me.
Talent is no longer what we are after- we just want students that want to go here that happen to play basketball. Hopefully they'll be good. Maybe they'll even like our coach!
Or maybe players that don't need the COA. So yeah... we're in trouble.

“Men’s basketball is the best opportunity for our league to really enhance its brand,” Radford athletic director Robert Lineburg said Wednesday. “We would like to see a time when the Big South, you’re not a 16 seed when you appear in the [NCAA] tournament.
“So we feel like the cost of attendance initiative, if we don’t do it, it would really be challenging from a recruiting standpoint.”

(04-04-2016 03:05 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(04-04-2016 03:01 PM)bridgeforthduke Wrote:  The Big South is requiring their schools to offer COA in men's and women's basketball. So yes, we are at a competitive disadvantage against schools in the Big South.

Radford puts a huge priority on their basketball programs, so this doesn't surprise me.
Talent is no longer what we are after- we just want students that want to go here that happen to play basketball. Hopefully they'll be good. Maybe they'll even like our coach!
Or maybe players that don't need the COA. So yeah... we're in trouble.

Not to get too far off topic but does anyone know if Radford will pay COA for baseball? It looks like VT took the COA money and split it up to offer 4 walk ons partial schollies for baseball as is allowed by NCAA. UVA is paying COA for Baseball.

(04-04-2016 03:13 PM)JMUETC Wrote:  

(04-04-2016 03:05 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(04-04-2016 03:01 PM)bridgeforthduke Wrote:  The Big South is requiring their schools to offer COA in men's and women's basketball. So yes, we are at a competitive disadvantage against schools in the Big South.

Radford puts a huge priority on their basketball programs, so this doesn't surprise me.
Talent is no longer what we are after- we just want students that want to go here that happen to play basketball. Hopefully they'll be good. Maybe they'll even like our coach!
Or maybe players that don't need the COA. So yeah... we're in trouble.

Not to get too far off topic but does anyone know if Radford will pay COA for baseball? It looks like VT took the COA money and split it up to offer 4 walk ons partial schollies for baseball as is allowed by NCAA. UVA is paying COA for Baseball.

Radford is Mens and Womens basketball only. Liberty and VCU are the only "mid-majors" in VA offering for all sports.

(04-04-2016 03:12 PM)JMU_Degenerate Wrote:  

(04-04-2016 03:05 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(04-04-2016 03:01 PM)bridgeforthduke Wrote:  The Big South is requiring their schools to offer COA in men's and women's basketball. So yes, we are at a competitive disadvantage against schools in the Big South.

Radford puts a huge priority on their basketball programs, so this doesn't surprise me.
Talent is no longer what we are after- we just want students that want to go here that happen to play basketball. Hopefully they'll be good. Maybe they'll even like our coach!
Or maybe players that don't need the COA. So yeah... we're in trouble.

“Men’s basketball is the best opportunity for our league to really enhance its brand,” Radford athletic director Robert Lineburg said Wednesday. “We would like to see a time when the Big South, you’re not a 16 seed when you appear in the [NCAA] tournament.
“So we feel like the cost of attendance initiative, if we don’t do it, it would really be challenging from a recruiting standpoint.”

It is irresponsible to say this while there is an ongoing academic national dialogue planned by Elon and JMU.

How do we CONSTRUCTIVELY address this with the administration? Seriously, unless you're a big-time donor, a boycott is just not going to work -- they'll ignore it. How do we get them to wake up?

It is so, so, so, so frustrating, not to mention depressing, to see us at a disadvantage to RADFORD.

List of all peer schools and their COA status (with Links/notes)

[√] = YES to COA
[X] = No COA at this time
[] = Signed an anti-COA letter titled "Another Presidential Perspective on College Athletics"

D-1 Schools in Virginia
[√] George Mason University (providing cost of attendance to scholarship men’s and women’s basketball players)
[X] Hampton University
[] James Madison University
[√] Liberty University (offers cost of attendance to all scholarship student-athletes, regardless of sport)
[√] Longwood University (providing cost of attendance to scholarship men’s and women’s basketball players)
[X] Norfolk State University (NSU not opposed to COA but doesn't have the budget for it at this time)
[√] Old Dominion University (ODU is EXPECTED to pay COA in 16/17)
[√] Radford University (providing cost of attendance to scholarship men’s and women’s basketball players)
[√] University of Richmond (providing cost of attendance to scholarship men’s and women’s basketball players, and other sports if needed and if scholly funds available)
[√] University of Virginia (offers cost of attendance to all scholarship student-athletes, regardless of sport)
[√] Virginia Commonwealth University (offers cost of attendance to all scholarship student-athletes, regardless of sport)
[] Virginia Military Institute (VMI says No to COA; with detailed reasoning)
[√] Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University (offers cost of attendance to all scholarship student-athletes, regardless of sport; interesting baseball note)
[] College of William and Mary

Colonial Athletic Association schools not in Virginia
[√] College of Charleston (has chosen a tiered plan that will provide some money to athletes in all 19 varsity sports. Basketball players will receive the most money, followed by baseball and volleyball players, with athletes in other sports receiving a lesser amount)
[] University of Delaware
[X] Drexel University
[] Elon University
[] Hofstra University
[X] Northeastern University
[√] Towson University (providing cost of attendance to scholarship men’s and women’s basketball players)
[√] University of North Carolina at Wilmington (expected for scholarship men’s and women’s basketball players in 2016/17)

CAA Football conference schools not in Virginia
[X] University at Albany
[X] University of Maine Waiting for future shift in landscape
[] University of New Hampshire
[√] University of Rhode Island (providing cost of attendance to scholarship men’s and women’s basketball players)
[X] Stony Brook University
[X] Villanova University

Other FCS schools not in Virginia
[√] Five-time defending NCAA champion (NCAA record) North Dakota State who has an FCS record 5 Consecutive Wins against FBS Competition
[√] North Dakota
[√] South Dakota

(04-04-2016 02:58 PM)JMU_Degenerate Wrote:  List of All D-1 Schools in Virginia and their COA status (with Links/notes)

[√] = YES to COA
[X] = No COA at this time
[] = Signed an anti-COA letter titled "Another Presidential Perspective on College Athletics"

[√] George Mason University (providing cost of attendance to scholarship men’s and women’s basketball players)
[X] Hampton University
[] James Madison University
[√] Liberty University (offers cost of attendance to all scholarship student-athletes, regardless of sport)
[√] Longwood University (providing cost of attendance to scholarship men’s and women’s basketball players)
[X] Norfolk State University (NSU not opposed to COA but doesn't have the budget for it at this time)
[√] Old Dominion University (ODU is EXPECTED to pay COA in 16/17)
[√] Radford University (providing cost of attendance to scholarship men’s and women’s basketball players)
[√] University of Richmond (providing cost of attendance to scholarship men’s and women’s basketball players, and other sports if needed and if scholly funds available)
[√] University of Virginia (offers cost of attendance to all scholarship student-athletes, regardless of sport)
[√] Virginia Commonwealth University (offers cost of attendance to all scholarship student-athletes, regardless of sport)
[] Virginia Military Institute (VMI says No to COA; with detailed reasoning)
[√] Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University (offers cost of attendance to all scholarship student-athletes, regardless of sport; interesting baseball note)
[] College of William and Mary

very eye opening comprehensive list of what's going on around the state... "peers" or not. Any JMU employee (admin or otherwise) cannot possibly argue that JMU will not suffer now or in the future by not offering COA to attract top-notch athletes to compete for national championships every year. Not offering COA goes directly against our expensive 6-year strategic plan - Engaged in Excellence - and our school's long thought out goal to be the National Model for the Engaged University.

It's clear from this list who the "haves" and "have nots" will be. Thanks Alger for working so diligently to make athletics irrelevant at Madison.

(04-04-2016 05:12 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  

(04-04-2016 02:58 PM)JMU_Degenerate Wrote:  List of All D-1 Schools in Virginia and their COA status (with Links/notes)

[√] = YES to COA
[X] = No COA at this time
[] = Signed an anti-COA letter titled "Another Presidential Perspective on College Athletics"

[√] George Mason University (providing cost of attendance to scholarship men’s and women’s basketball players)
[X] Hampton University
[] James Madison University
[√] Liberty University (offers cost of attendance to all scholarship student-athletes, regardless of sport)
[√] Longwood University (providing cost of attendance to scholarship men’s and women’s basketball players)
[X] Norfolk State University (NSU not opposed to COA but doesn't have the budget for it at this time)
[√] Old Dominion University (ODU is EXPECTED to pay COA in 16/17)
[√] Radford University (providing cost of attendance to scholarship men’s and women’s basketball players)
[√] University of Richmond (providing cost of attendance to scholarship men’s and women’s basketball players, and other sports if needed and if scholly funds available)
[√] University of Virginia (offers cost of attendance to all scholarship student-athletes, regardless of sport)
[√] Virginia Commonwealth University (offers cost of attendance to all scholarship student-athletes, regardless of sport)
[] Virginia Military Institute (VMI says No to COA; with detailed reasoning)
[√] Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University (offers cost of attendance to all scholarship student-athletes, regardless of sport; interesting baseball note)
[] College of William and Mary

very eye opening comprehensive list of what's going on around the state... "peers" or not. Any JMU employee (admin or otherwise) cannot possibly argue that JMU will not suffer now or in the future by not offering COA to attract top-notch athletes to compete for national championships every year. Not offering COA goes directly against our expensive 6-year strategic plan - Engaged in Excellence - and our school's long thought out goal to be the National Model for the Engaged University.

How accurate the word Peers is will vary wildly by sport. For women's basketball and the Olympic Sports, every D1 school in Virginia is a peer of our Top 25 caliber programs and JMU absolutely recruits against every one of these schools.
For men's basketball and/or football, about 50-75% of this list are peers.

Men' and Women's basketball is what should be driving the COA decision since our Peers clearly have a recruiting advantage when they offer and we do not.

(04-04-2016 05:27 PM)JMU_Degenerate Wrote:  

(04-04-2016 05:12 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  

(04-04-2016 02:58 PM)JMU_Degenerate Wrote:  List of All D-1 Schools in Virginia and their COA status (with Links/notes)

[√] = YES to COA
[X] = No COA at this time
[] = Signed an anti-COA letter titled "Another Presidential Perspective on College Athletics"

[√] George Mason University (providing cost of attendance to scholarship men’s and women’s basketball players)
[X] Hampton University
[] James Madison University
[√] Liberty University (offers cost of attendance to all scholarship student-athletes, regardless of sport)
[√] Longwood University (providing cost of attendance to scholarship men’s and women’s basketball players)
[X] Norfolk State University (NSU not opposed to COA but doesn't have the budget for it at this time)
[√] Old Dominion University (ODU is EXPECTED to pay COA in 16/17)
[√] Radford University (providing cost of attendance to scholarship men’s and women’s basketball players)
[√] University of Richmond (providing cost of attendance to scholarship men’s and women’s basketball players, and other sports if needed and if scholly funds available)
[√] University of Virginia (offers cost of attendance to all scholarship student-athletes, regardless of sport)
[√] Virginia Commonwealth University (offers cost of attendance to all scholarship student-athletes, regardless of sport)
[] Virginia Military Institute (VMI says No to COA; with detailed reasoning)
[√] Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University (offers cost of attendance to all scholarship student-athletes, regardless of sport; interesting baseball note)
[] College of William and Mary

very eye opening comprehensive list of what's going on around the state... "peers" or not. Any JMU employee (admin or otherwise) cannot possibly argue that JMU will not suffer now or in the future by not offering COA to attract top-notch athletes to compete for national championships every year. Not offering COA goes directly against our expensive 6-year strategic plan - Engaged in Excellence - and our school's long thought out goal to be the National Model for the Engaged University.

How accurate the word Peers is will vary wildly by sport. For women's basketball and the Olympic Sports, every D1 school in Virginia is a peer of our Top 25 caliber programs and JMU absolutely recruits against every one of these schools.
For men's basketball and/or football, about 50-75% of this list are peers.

Men' and Women's basketball is what should be driving the COA decision since our Peers clearly have a recruiting advantage when they offer and we do not.

It further pisses me off knowing that we are already receiving over half of what is needed from the NCAA. If JA were true to his beliefs, we'd be sending that cash back each year, but I'm confident he accepts it with open arms. I'm guessing that many of those schools listed use only that money and add little to it for their COA.