(03-30-2016 09:32 AM)Rock House Duke Wrote:  

(03-30-2016 09:23 AM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  Just wondering if KB leaving and the subsequent information that has came out, such as Barkers mentioning that KB has no faith in JB or JA, JMU not investing "to fill the house with furniture, etc., if people's opinions of EW are starting to change? You can still say he is a terrible defensive coach or whatever but it seemed like many posters felt that he dined and dashed on JMU, took it personally and said he had terrible character. Perhaps after only 2 years EW realized the same issues with the Athletics Department and JMU as a whole that ultimately drove KB away as well.

This!

100%... hate to admit this but EW was sold a bill of goods, #1 being that we were moving to FB. (for what it's worth, I'd bet the rest of the goods were realized, but FBS was the headliner) EW realized in less than 730 days that there was no way in hell that was happening before his 60th birthday and took the next train out. I fully believe that he would have stayed with us for minimum of 5 years if he received even an inkling from the admin that a move was in the works. This notion was solidified when Houston's contract had no mention of FBS in it.

This was my biggest take away from EW leaving for "greener" pastures.

(03-30-2016 09:23 AM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  Just wondering if KB leaving and the subsequent information that has came out, such as Barkers mentioning that KB has no faith in JB or JA, JMU not investing "to fill the house with furniture, etc., if people's opinions of EW are starting to change? You can still say he is a terrible defensive coach or whatever but it seemed like many posters felt that he dined and dashed on JMU, took it personally and said he had terrible character. Perhaps after only 2 years EW realized the same issues with the Athletics Department and JMU as a whole that ultimately drove KB away as well.

Most of us knew EW would leave the second an FBS school came calling. The quicker he left, the less his shortcomings would stand out.
We saw the way EW behaved in post game pressers... if we lost he was a big baby, and if we won it was all rainbows and unicorns. Do we even need to mention the way he handled Matt Jones? How about the way his wife behaved regarding the situation? Do you think that might have had a little to do with EW?

Plus, we all know the admin is a mess. The big difference is we aren't calling out our old employer. KB would never have done that.

So no, my opinion of EW hasn't changed.

(03-30-2016 10:05 AM)JMUrcc06 Wrote:  

(03-30-2016 09:32 AM)Rock House Duke Wrote:  

(03-30-2016 09:23 AM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  Just wondering if KB leaving and the subsequent information that has came out, such as Barkers mentioning that KB has no faith in JB or JA, JMU not investing "to fill the house with furniture, etc., if people's opinions of EW are starting to change? You can still say he is a terrible defensive coach or whatever but it seemed like many posters felt that he dined and dashed on JMU, took it personally and said he had terrible character. Perhaps after only 2 years EW realized the same issues with the Athletics Department and JMU as a whole that ultimately drove KB away as well.

This!

100%... hate to admit this but EW was sold a bill of goods, #1 being that we were moving to FB. (for what it's worth, I'd bet the rest of the goods were realized, but FBS was the headliner) EW realized in less than 730 days that there was no way in hell that was happening before his 60th birthday and took the next train out. I fully believe that he would have stayed with us for minimum of 5 years if he received even an inkling from the admin that a move was in the works. This notion was solidified when Houston's contract had no mention of FBS in it.

This was my biggest take away from EW leaving for "greener" pastures.

Double This! 200%. Back in the Fall he pressed to get more money for his assistants and he was told NO!. Irony of all ironies is that we now have much higher paid assistants. I think that strengthened his realization that all the FBS talk was just that. IMO it gave him even more clarity of the caliber of his bosses. The biggest bonus in taking a job that doubled his salary was getting away from them.

Imagine that, Withers pulling promised Scholarships.
http://bobcatfans.com/forums/viewtopic.p...efe2b8eb53

(04-18-2016 11:34 AM)Big Duke Wrote:  Imagine that, Withers pulling promised Scholarships.
http://bobcatfans.com/forums/viewtopic.p...efe2b8eb53

We should link the articles where Withers did this numerous times, and how he ruined recruiting relationships across the state in 2 short years.

More and more, it is evident that Withers is all talk.

edit: found it

https://jamesmadison.n.rivals.com/news/r...th-withers

(03-30-2016 09:23 AM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  Just wondering if KB leaving and the subsequent information that has came out, such as Barkers mentioning that KB has no faith in JB or JA, JMU not investing "to fill the house with furniture, etc., if people's opinions of EW are starting to change? You can still say he is a terrible defensive coach or whatever but it seemed like many posters felt that he dined and dashed on JMU, took it personally and said he had terrible character. Perhaps after only 2 years EW realized the same issues with the Athletics Department and JMU as a whole that ultimately drove KB away as well.

No DoubleDogDare, I still think he's an arrogant d1ck. Good riddance.

Wow. What a surprise. /sarcasm off
I thought it would happen, but didn't think it would happen this fast. That's just the first in a long, long line of stuff on its way. He's gonna do exactly what he did to us.. and he is.
The hilarious part is watching their reactions. Some are not happy, but many are actually defending what he did. They may not realize it, but he's burning more bridges than just that one. The sad part is they won't see it until he bails (or gets fired). He is never going to be a lifer.

(04-18-2016 03:45 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  Wow. What a surprise. /sarcasm off
I thought it would happen, but didn't think it would happen this fast. That's just the first in a long, long line of stuff on its way. He's gonna do exactly what he did to us.. and he is.
The hilarious part is watching their reactions. Some are not happy, but many are actually defending what he did. They may not realize it, but he's burning more bridges than just that one. The sad part is they won't see it until he bails (or gets fired). He is never going to be a lifer.

You may be correct in your assessment of EW. The irony is that most of us on here would not be a "lifer" in his situation either. He is thinking of his future and his family. The other irony is that many of us would gladly move up to fbs but still give him shite for doing the same thing. Many would love to be rid of Alger and this admin and ought to be giving him credit for getting out of dodge when he did.

(04-18-2016 03:56 PM)Purple agitator Wrote:  

(04-18-2016 03:45 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  Wow. What a surprise. /sarcasm off
I thought it would happen, but didn't think it would happen this fast. That's just the first in a long, long line of stuff on its way. He's gonna do exactly what he did to us.. and he is.
The hilarious part is watching their reactions. Some are not happy, but many are actually defending what he did. They may not realize it, but he's burning more bridges than just that one. The sad part is they won't see it until he bails (or gets fired). He is never going to be a lifer.

You may be correct in your assessment of EW. The irony is that most of us on here would not be a "lifer" in his situation either. He is thinking of his future and his family. The other irony is that many of us would gladly move up to fbs but still give him shite for doing the same thing. Many would love to be rid of Alger and this admin and ought to be giving him credit for getting out of dodge when he did.

He is definitely looking out for his best interests and to hell with the ramifications. I don't blame him one bit for leaving (has nothing to do with my thoughts on admin).
I honestly do think a big factor in him leaving was he didn't feel like he could do much better and to leave while he still looked good.
I do have a problem with how he did it. It was classless and his family just solidified that. I don't blame Texas State for being excited for the guy, but for them to not see that history is repeating itself is just plain stupid.
He's going to burn recruiting bridges. His defense is going to be awful. He's going to pout when he loses. I don't think he will do as well in the FBS ranks- he just isn't good enough of a coach.
I think him leaving was the best thing he could have done for us. We have a very bright future under Houston.

I just hope Houston is not the same in terms of having his eye towards the next "bigger" job out there.

Honestly... Scholarships are pulled all of the time... And to be honest, if the kid was gray shirting, they must have not thought the most of him in the first place. Pulling scholarships is definitely a ****** thing to do but it happens in almost every program that has the ability to offer them. When they offered him, Withers had just gotten there, so I'd imagine the staff wasn't up to date on the numbers they had available. Don't forget about Harbaugh pulling that schollie from the kid in Florida and hardly anything was said about that. This is about a kid that was gray shirting.

I realize that Withers left a sour taste in our mouths here at JMU but I really think we should be grateful to have what we have in Houston.

(04-18-2016 04:34 PM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  I just hope Houston is not the same in terms of having his eye towards the next "bigger" job out there.

In Withers case the "bigger" job was probably 100% a bigger pay check. JMU is a better football job than Texas State no one can really debate that. People often look at things too simply FBS>FCS not when you are buried at the bottom of the Sun Belt/G5. JMU has now had how many winning football coaches? Where is Texas State's football legacy? Even Alex Wood went to the playoffs at JMU. Scherer, Wood, Matthews, Withers - all have gone to the post season, all have presided over ranked teams/winning teams. JMU=winning program. The wins over FBS schools the players in the NFL and Game Day are validation of that.

(04-18-2016 04:24 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(04-18-2016 03:56 PM)Purple agitator Wrote:  

(04-18-2016 03:45 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  Wow. What a surprise. /sarcasm off
I thought it would happen, but didn't think it would happen this fast. That's just the first in a long, long line of stuff on its way. He's gonna do exactly what he did to us.. and he is.
The hilarious part is watching their reactions. Some are not happy, but many are actually defending what he did. They may not realize it, but he's burning more bridges than just that one. The sad part is they won't see it until he bails (or gets fired). He is never going to be a lifer.

You may be correct in your assessment of EW. The irony is that most of us on here would not be a "lifer" in his situation either. He is thinking of his future and his family. The other irony is that many of us would gladly move up to fbs but still give him shite for doing the same thing. Many would love to be rid of Alger and this admin and ought to be giving him credit for getting out of dodge when he did.

He is definitely looking out for his best interests and to hell with the ramifications. I don't blame him one bit for leaving (has nothing to do with my thoughts on admin).
I honestly do think a big factor in him leaving was he didn't feel like he could do much better and to leave while he still looked good.
I do have a problem with how he did it. It was classless and his family just solidified that. I don't blame Texas State for being excited for the guy, but for them to not see that history is repeating itself is just plain stupid.
He's going to burn recruiting bridges. His defense is going to be awful. He's going to pout when he loses. I don't think he will do as well in the FBS ranks- he just isn't good enough of a coach.
I think him leaving was the best thing he could have done for us. We have a very bright future under Houston.

What if we take up a fund to send Matt to San Marcos for the TX State vs Houston game on 9/24. It would be a gas to see the look on EW's face during the post game presser. Coach, "Would you comment on the teams lack of tackling fundamentals that we witnessed on the field today."

(04-18-2016 04:55 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(04-18-2016 04:34 PM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  I just hope Houston is not the same in terms of having his eye towards the next "bigger" job out there.

In Withers case the "bigger" job was probably 100% a bigger pay check. JMU is a better football job than Texas State no one can really debate that. People often look at things too simply FBS>FCS not when you are buried at the bottom of the Sun Belt/G5. JMU has now had how many winning football coaches? Where is Texas State's football legacy? Even Alex Wood went to the playoffs at JMU. Scherer, Wood, Matthews, Withers - all have gone to the post season, all have presided over ranked teams/winning teams. JMU=winning program. The wins over FBS schools the players in the NFL and Game Day are validation of that.

Absolutely. Bigger was definitely more money and having FBS HC experience on the resume. I think JMU and the CAA in general is on par with the Sun Belt. And we get to compete for championships.

(04-18-2016 04:34 PM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  I just hope Houston is not the same in terms of having his eye towards the next "bigger" job out there.

Why can't we have nice things and be the "bigger" job

(04-18-2016 05:47 PM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  

(04-18-2016 04:55 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(04-18-2016 04:34 PM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  I just hope Houston is not the same in terms of having his eye towards the next "bigger" job out there.

In Withers case the "bigger" job was probably 100% a bigger pay check. JMU is a better football job than Texas State no one can really debate that. People often look at things too simply FBS>FCS not when you are buried at the bottom of the Sun Belt/G5. JMU has now had how many winning football coaches? Where is Texas State's football legacy? Even Alex Wood went to the playoffs at JMU. Scherer, Wood, Matthews, Withers - all have gone to the post season, all have presided over ranked teams/winning teams. JMU=winning program. The wins over FBS schools the players in the NFL and Game Day are validation of that.

Absolutely. Bigger was definitely more money and having FBS HC experience on the resume. I think JMU and the CAA in general is on par with the Sun Belt. And we get to compete for championships.

No it's not. Please stop.

(04-18-2016 05:03 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(04-18-2016 04:24 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(04-18-2016 03:56 PM)Purple agitator Wrote:  

(04-18-2016 03:45 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  Wow. What a surprise. /sarcasm off
I thought it would happen, but didn't think it would happen this fast. That's just the first in a long, long line of stuff on its way. He's gonna do exactly what he did to us.. and he is.
The hilarious part is watching their reactions. Some are not happy, but many are actually defending what he did. They may not realize it, but he's burning more bridges than just that one. The sad part is they won't see it until he bails (or gets fired). He is never going to be a lifer.

You may be correct in your assessment of EW. The irony is that most of us on here would not be a "lifer" in his situation either. He is thinking of his future and his family. The other irony is that many of us would gladly move up to fbs but still give him shite for doing the same thing. Many would love to be rid of Alger and this admin and ought to be giving him credit for getting out of dodge when he did.

He is definitely looking out for his best interests and to hell with the ramifications. I don't blame him one bit for leaving (has nothing to do with my thoughts on admin).
I honestly do think a big factor in him leaving was he didn't feel like he could do much better and to leave while he still looked good.
I do have a problem with how he did it. It was classless and his family just solidified that. I don't blame Texas State for being excited for the guy, but for them to not see that history is repeating itself is just plain stupid.
He's going to burn recruiting bridges. His defense is going to be awful. He's going to pout when he loses. I don't think he will do as well in the FBS ranks- he just isn't good enough of a coach.
I think him leaving was the best thing he could have done for us. We have a very bright future under Houston.

What if we take up a fund to send Matt to San Marcos for the TX State vs Houston game on 9/24. It would be a gas to see the look on EW's face during the post game presser. Coach, "Would you comment on the teams lack of tackling fundamentals that we witnessed on the field today."

YES love it! Call me childish and petty but I would totally kick in just to see the look on his face.

(04-18-2016 06:13 PM)Dukes2Space Wrote:  

(04-18-2016 05:47 PM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  

(04-18-2016 04:55 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(04-18-2016 04:34 PM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  I just hope Houston is not the same in terms of having his eye towards the next "bigger" job out there.

In Withers case the "bigger" job was probably 100% a bigger pay check. JMU is a better football job than Texas State no one can really debate that. People often look at things too simply FBS>FCS not when you are buried at the bottom of the Sun Belt/G5. JMU has now had how many winning football coaches? Where is Texas State's football legacy? Even Alex Wood went to the playoffs at JMU. Scherer, Wood, Matthews, Withers - all have gone to the post season, all have presided over ranked teams/winning teams. JMU=winning program. The wins over FBS schools the players in the NFL and Game Day are validation of that.

Absolutely. Bigger was definitely more money and having FBS HC experience on the resume. I think JMU and the CAA in general is on par with the Sun Belt. And we get to compete for championships.

No it's not. Please stop.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Stat...s_football

Check out Texas State's illustrious history in FBS and the Sun Belt. They are an upstart. JMU has a richer history (in a shorter period of time) and more players in the NFL. JMU is a better job than Texas State no matter what Withers or anyone else tells you. Now if you want to talk App State or Georgia Southern- they are better programs than JMU- proud programs- and that was the case when they played in FCS too- no shame in that but JMU > Texas State and ODU as a football program. I also think if you asked a lay person which was a better program without pause they would say JMU and that same lay person couldn't even distinguish between a Sun Belt team that that see on ESPN3 or see the scores for on the ESPN News scroll and JMU that they see play on NBC Sports Network and see the playoff scores scroll on ESPN News.

Withers did not respect the leadership at JMU; he could not wait to leave.

He did not like reporting to an accountant.

Brady said JMU was a "bad job"; this even before the philosophical stance against COA by our administration.

Once a Dick, always a Dick. And, Withers is an arrogant Dick. No class. No ethics. It is all about him.