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Thanks for the article BEH.
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First off, the NBE is surviving period. It's dumb as hell to say it's not going to. If it was going to have problems, it'd have already manifested itself in the first few years. But the conference has gotten better- and totally eclipsed the A10 and AAC.

Also, it's easy to see why Gonzaga would be interested. The WCC is putrid. They had a team this year that was 68 spots worse in RPI than Tulane! or 54 spots worse than St John's. They had 6 teams sub 200 this year- after 3 last year and 1 2 years ago. Gone in RPI from 9 to 11 to 13. But that's not reason enough for the Big East to expand....
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Homer is clearly obsessed and troubled in a sick way with the Big East. Between making weird anti-Big East banners, creating anti-Big East topics and spewing the same anti-Big East mumbo jumbo in numerous discussions, there is some serious captivation and fixation on seeing the downfall of the league and it's schools.

Move on...
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(03-21-2016 07:46 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Homer is clearly obsessed and troubled in a sick way with the Big East. Between making weird anti-Big East banners, creating anti-Big East topics and spewing the same anti-Big East mumbo jumbo in numerous discussions, there is some serious captivation and fixation on seeing the downfall of the league and it's schools.

Move on...

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(03-21-2016 08:02 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  
(03-21-2016 07:46 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Homer is clearly obsessed and troubled in a sick way with the Big East. Between making weird anti-Big East banners, creating anti-Big East topics and spewing the same anti-Big East mumbo jumbo in numerous discussions, there is some serious captivation and fixation on seeing the downfall of the league and it's schools.

Move on...

We don't claim him he's yours

Oh, no, you try that and we go back to the realignment wars.
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(03-21-2016 07:46 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Homer is clearly obsessed and troubled in a sick way with the Big East. Between making weird anti-Big East banners, creating anti-Big East topics and spewing the same anti-Big East mumbo jumbo in numerous discussions, there is some serious captivation and fixation on seeing the downfall of the league and it's schools.

Move on...

Bought tickets for the 2K Classic. Should be fun.
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(03-21-2016 08:36 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  
(03-21-2016 07:46 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Homer is clearly obsessed and troubled in a sick way with the Big East. Between making weird anti-Big East banners, creating anti-Big East topics and spewing the same anti-Big East mumbo jumbo in numerous discussions, there is some serious captivation and fixation on seeing the downfall of the league and it's schools.

Move on...

Bought tickets for the 2K Classic. Should be fun.

Great group of teams - Michigan, Pittsburgh, Marquette and SMU. Looking forward to it.
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(03-21-2016 08:30 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(03-21-2016 08:02 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  
(03-21-2016 07:46 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Homer is clearly obsessed and troubled in a sick way with the Big East. Between making weird anti-Big East banners, creating anti-Big East topics and spewing the same anti-Big East mumbo jumbo in numerous discussions, there is some serious captivation and fixation on seeing the downfall of the league and it's schools.

Move on...

We don't claim him he's yours

Oh, no, you try that and we go back to the realignment wars.

he may be the driving force that brings us all together! 04-cheers
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RE: NY Times: Nationwide NBE May Be The Only Hope
NBE

NORTH DIVISION: Providence, *UConn*, St. John's, Seton Hall
EAST DIVISION: Villanova, Georgetown, Xavier, *Cincinnati*
MIDWEST DIVISION: Depaul, Marquette, Butler, Creighton
WEST DIVISION: *Gonzaga*, *BYU*, *St. Mary's*, *San Diego St.*

18-game conference schedule. 6 games (H-H) against the 3 schools in your division; 12 games against the rest of the conference (1 game per year, rotating home-away).

To limit travel costs and concerns, structure schedules so that there are only THREE 2-game road trips outside of your division. So, current Big East schools only have one 2-game West Coast road trip per season.

Division winners get automatic bye to BE tournament quarterfinals.

UConn, Cincinnati, San Diego St., and BYU = independent in football, but with some collaboration for media deals, late-season scheduling and bowl affiliations.
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(04-12-2016 01:02 PM)YNot Wrote:  NBE

NORTH DIVISION: Providence, *UConn*, St. John's, Seton Hall
EAST DIVISION: Villanova, Georgetown, Xavier, *Cincinnati*
MIDWEST DIVISION: Depaul, Marquette, Butler, Creighton
WEST DIVISION: *Gonzaga*, *BYU*, *St. Mary's*, *San Diego St.*

18-game conference schedule. 6 games (H-H) against the 3 schools in your division; 12 games against the rest of the conference (1 game per year, rotating home-away).

To limit travel costs and concerns, structure schedules so that there are only THREE 2-game road trips outside of your division. So, current Big East schools only have one 2-game West Coast road trip per season.

Division winners get automatic bye to BE tournament quarterfinals.

UConn, Cincinnati, San Diego St., and BYU = independent in football, but with some collaboration for media deals, late-season scheduling and bowl affiliations.

OR, same structure, but add VCU and Dayton instead of UConn and Cincinnati:

NORTH DIVISION: Providence, St. John's, Seton Hall, Villanova
EAST DIVISION: Georgetown, Xavier, *VCU*, *Dayton*
MIDWEST DIVISION: Depaul, Marquette, Butler, Creighton
WEST DIVISION: *Gonzaga*, *BYU*, *St. Mary's*, *San Diego St.*
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(04-12-2016 01:02 PM)YNot Wrote:  NBE

NORTH DIVISION: Providence, *UConn*, St. John's, Seton Hall
EAST DIVISION: Villanova, Georgetown, Xavier, *Cincinnati*
MIDWEST DIVISION: Depaul, Marquette, Butler, Creighton
WEST DIVISION: *Gonzaga*, *BYU*, *St. Mary's*, *San Diego St.*

18-game conference schedule. 6 games (H-H) against the 3 schools in your division; 12 games against the rest of the conference (1 game per year, rotating home-away).

To limit travel costs and concerns, structure schedules so that there are only THREE 2-game road trips outside of your division. So, current Big East schools only have one 2-game West Coast road trip per season.

Division winners get automatic bye to BE tournament quarterfinals.

UConn, Cincinnati, San Diego St., and BYU = independent in football, but with some collaboration for media deals, late-season scheduling and bowl affiliations.

OR, add VCU and Dayton AND UConn and Cincinnati, along with Wichita St. and one additional WEST school:

NORTH DIVISION: Providence, St. John's, Seton Hall, Villanova, Georgetown
EAST DIVISION: Xavier, *Cincinnati*, *UConn*, *VCU*, *Dayton*
MIDWEST DIVISION: Depaul, Marquette, Butler, Creighton, *Wichita St.*
WEST DIVISION: *Gonzaga*, *BYU*, *St. Mary's*, *San Diego St.*, *San Fran/Santa Clara/Pepperdine*

Schedule includes 8 games (H-H) within your division, 5 games against your "neighboring" division (NORTH v. EAST and MIDWEST v. WEST) and then 5 games against the other 10 schools (so you play everyone in the other two divisions every *other* year).

This model, however, probably loses because of opposition by Depaul, Marquette, and Butler, and would be harder to justify the $4 million per school from FOX.

Or, perhaps keep Depaul, Marquette, Butler, and Creighton in the EAST division with Xavier. This doesn't make as much sense geographically, but it ensures that the legacy Big East teams play each other annually.

NORTH DIVISION: Providence, St. John's, Seton Hall, Villanova, Georgetown
EAST DIVISION: Xavier, Depaul, Marquette, Butler, Creighton
MIDWEST DIVISION: *UConn*, *Cincinnati*, *VCU*, *Dayton*, *Wichita St.*
WEST DIVISION: *Gonzaga*, *BYU*, *St. Mary's*, *San Diego St.*, *San Fran/Santa Clara/Pepperdine*
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With Villanova (and the Big East) winning an NCAA Championship, the need and desire to expand is even lower than it was at the start of the season - and it wasn't very high to begin with. In each year of the new Big East, the league has gotten more competitive, more exposure and increased national respect among the other power conferences. The schools have invested in facilities (DePaul and Marquette are getting new stadiums, Providence is getting a new practice facility), and the teams are recruiting extremely well - kids love the idea of playing a "basketball-first" conference. The Big East is now firmly considered a power conference, and the league can continue to focus on further developing the rivalries of the 10-member league. The double round-robin is a true asset to the conference - and it will only continue to build the brand in following years.

The league has zero incentive to expand, mostly because there are too little perfect fits available to the league at the moment, and will not seriously consider expansion until the next contract comes up - which won't be for another 5 years or so. Until then, the Big East can enjoy the ride. It's been an absolute joy thus far.
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(04-12-2016 01:02 PM)YNot Wrote:  NBE

NORTH DIVISION: Providence, *UConn*, St. John's, Seton Hall
EAST DIVISION: Villanova, Georgetown, Xavier, *Cincinnati*
MIDWEST DIVISION: Depaul, Marquette, Butler, Creighton
WEST DIVISION: *Gonzaga*, *BYU*, *St. Mary's*, *San Diego St.*

18-game conference schedule. 6 games (H-H) against the 3 schools in your division; 12 games against the rest of the conference (1 game per year, rotating home-away).

To limit travel costs and concerns, structure schedules so that there are only THREE 2-game road trips outside of your division. So, current Big East schools only have one 2-game West Coast road trip per season.

Division winners get automatic bye to BE tournament quarterfinals.

UConn, Cincinnati, San Diego St., and BYU = independent in football, but with some collaboration for media deals, late-season scheduling and bowl affiliations.
I'm not gonna say this is a pipe dream, but I will say this is a very long shot.

The B12 drama is whats making this feasible. Add to that the cord cutting revenue loss projections and all conferences could be in for a major shake up. The BE has the brand that will draw eyes weather its on cable tv or internet streams.
As of right now the NBE can have any non-football school it wants.

I will go a little farther then what has been suggested and give a wink to Notre Dame and Boston College as part of a Big East 4.0 - If the B12 dissolves and only 4 all new Super conferences that follow a NFL scheduling model, The ACC has teams that will be coveted and teams that are left behind. I see all pubic university's getting preferential spots over sub par teams like Boston College. Notre Dame would be perfectly at home with indy football and parked sports in other conferences.

NBE (less likely but possible)
Providence | Boston | UCONN | St. Johns | VCU
Creighton | Notre Dame | DePaul | Marquette | Butler
Villanova | Georgetown | Xavier | Seton Hall | Temple

because the old format of content is not the idea of future, but quality over quantity is, you don't need the West Coast counterpart.
Teams to also consider are : Memphis | Cincinnati | Wichita St. | and any other A10
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