(03-28-2016 05:22 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Oh I'm fully expecting Zimmerman and Werth to go down at some point this year. If we can get 120 games out of both, I'm thrilled. And won't be shocked if Ramos is hurt at some point as well- that's what happens to catchers as they approach 30. I think the big one for the nats is Rendon. Hopefully last year was just a one year type of thing.

we both know injury prone players will more than likely get hurt. Pagan, Span, Pence, Romo, Zimmerman, Werth, Strasburg, Rendon. That's 8 guys with injury histories or a combo of an injury + age, and I have to imagine at least half of them will end up on the DL at one point or another. But while those DL trips are merely theoretical at this point, the Dodgers have real injuries. Ethier, Anderson and Grandal will all be starting the season on the DL. Those 3 players aren't Pagan. I mean if the latter goes down I shrug my shoulders and forget about it. But Grandal and Ethier are two really good LH bats. Meanwhile, it sounds like Harvey will not make opening day. That's already one fewer start than the 10 guys on the Giants and Nats.

(03-28-2016 05:22 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I think the big one for the nats is Rendon.

I agree - and I'm worried about it. Rendon has an injury history that goes back to college. None of it looks like chronic types of injury, but still - he's been hurt a lot. I hope that MLB-level strength and conditioning will help him stay relatively healthy moving forward.

(03-28-2016 05:58 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(03-28-2016 05:22 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Oh I'm fully expecting Zimmerman and Werth to go down at some point this year. If we can get 120 games out of both, I'm thrilled. And won't be shocked if Ramos is hurt at some point as well- that's what happens to catchers as they approach 30. I think the big one for the nats is Rendon. Hopefully last year was just a one year type of thing.

But while those DL trips are merely theoretical at this point, the Dodgers have real injuries. Ethier, Anderson and Grandal will all be starting the season on the DL. Those 3 players aren't Pagan. I mean if the latter goes down I shrug my shoulders and forget about it. But Grandal and Ethier are two really good LH bats.

You left out Kendrick. Yeah, Dodgers Spring Training has been a real @#$% show. And that doesn't even count Ryu and McCarthy, who will be available some time, I guess...

(03-28-2016 06:12 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  

(03-28-2016 05:58 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(03-28-2016 05:22 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Oh I'm fully expecting Zimmerman and Werth to go down at some point this year. If we can get 120 games out of both, I'm thrilled. And won't be shocked if Ramos is hurt at some point as well- that's what happens to catchers as they approach 30. I think the big one for the nats is Rendon. Hopefully last year was just a one year type of thing.

But while those DL trips are merely theoretical at this point, the Dodgers have real injuries. Ethier, Anderson and Grandal will all be starting the season on the DL. Those 3 players aren't Pagan. I mean if the latter goes down I shrug my shoulders and forget about it. But Grandal and Ethier are two really good LH bats.

You left out Kendrick. Yeah, Dodgers Spring Training has been a real @#$% show. And that doesn't even count Ryu and McCarthy, who will be available some time, I guess...

i wondered what had happened to Kendrick. Hadn't heard his name in ages.

Meanwhile, when asked about Harvey, Travis D'arnaud said the team is praying for him. WTF is wrong with him?

yeah Harvey is really interesting. And the thing is, it's so late in Spring Training that it could really impact who they can start here to open the year. they have a funky start to the season with games on Sunday, Tuesday, and Friday. So if Harvey could start in game 3, he wouldn't really have missed a start.

one thing that is pretty interesting, was just looking at Yahoo about this..... he gave up 6 runs in 3 innings on Thursday.... but look at this advice:
Harvey came out throwing well, but his velocity dropped significantly during a long second inning and didn't bounce back in the third. Maybe it's a dead-arm issue or maybe he just decided to rein it it, but there would seem to be a little reason for concern headed into his final start of the spring.

I know they said it wasn't arm related, but who knows.

(03-28-2016 07:52 PM)stever20 Wrote:  yeah Harvey is really interesting. And the thing is, it's so late in Spring Training that it could really impact who they can start here to open the year. they have a funky start to the season with games on Sunday, Tuesday, and Friday. So if Harvey could start in game 3, he wouldn't really have missed a start.

one thing that is pretty interesting, was just looking at Yahoo about this..... he gave up 6 runs in 3 innings on Thursday.... but look at this advice:
Harvey came out throwing well, but his velocity dropped significantly during a long second inning and didn't bounce back in the third. Maybe it's a dead-arm issue or maybe he just decided to rein it it, but there would seem to be a little reason for concern headed into his final start of the spring.

I know they said it wasn't arm related, but who knows.

yeah you bring up a good point about what to believe. Like you said, he visited a non-orthopedic doctor, but we all know teams lie and engage in tons of misdirection, so who knows. Nobody seems to be willing to say anything, which is really weird. Typical Mets

(03-28-2016 08:11 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(03-28-2016 07:52 PM)stever20 Wrote:  yeah Harvey is really interesting. And the thing is, it's so late in Spring Training that it could really impact who they can start here to open the year. they have a funky start to the season with games on Sunday, Tuesday, and Friday. So if Harvey could start in game 3, he wouldn't really have missed a start.

one thing that is pretty interesting, was just looking at Yahoo about this..... he gave up 6 runs in 3 innings on Thursday.... but look at this advice:
Harvey came out throwing well, but his velocity dropped significantly during a long second inning and didn't bounce back in the third. Maybe it's a dead-arm issue or maybe he just decided to rein it it, but there would seem to be a little reason for concern headed into his final start of the spring.

I know they said it wasn't arm related, but who knows.

yeah you bring up a good point about what to believe. Like you said, he visited a non-orthopedic doctor, but we all know teams lie and engage in tons of misdirection, so who knows. Nobody seems to be willing to say anything, which is really weird. Typical Mets

Well and think about this. If Harvey did indeed have arm problems- the Mets after the way they handled him last year would get crucified.

(03-28-2016 08:17 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-28-2016 08:11 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(03-28-2016 07:52 PM)stever20 Wrote:  yeah Harvey is really interesting. And the thing is, it's so late in Spring Training that it could really impact who they can start here to open the year. they have a funky start to the season with games on Sunday, Tuesday, and Friday. So if Harvey could start in game 3, he wouldn't really have missed a start.

one thing that is pretty interesting, was just looking at Yahoo about this..... he gave up 6 runs in 3 innings on Thursday.... but look at this advice:
Harvey came out throwing well, but his velocity dropped significantly during a long second inning and didn't bounce back in the third. Maybe it's a dead-arm issue or maybe he just decided to rein it it, but there would seem to be a little reason for concern headed into his final start of the spring.

I know they said it wasn't arm related, but who knows.

yeah you bring up a good point about what to believe. Like you said, he visited a non-orthopedic doctor, but we all know teams lie and engage in tons of misdirection, so who knows. Nobody seems to be willing to say anything, which is really weird. Typical Mets

Well and think about this. If Harvey did indeed have arm problems- the Mets after the way they handled him last year would get crucified.

it would certainly be the end of teams pushing guys who are coming off TJ rehab

(03-28-2016 08:19 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(03-28-2016 08:17 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-28-2016 08:11 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(03-28-2016 07:52 PM)stever20 Wrote:  yeah Harvey is really interesting. And the thing is, it's so late in Spring Training that it could really impact who they can start here to open the year. they have a funky start to the season with games on Sunday, Tuesday, and Friday. So if Harvey could start in game 3, he wouldn't really have missed a start.

one thing that is pretty interesting, was just looking at Yahoo about this..... he gave up 6 runs in 3 innings on Thursday.... but look at this advice:
Harvey came out throwing well, but his velocity dropped significantly during a long second inning and didn't bounce back in the third. Maybe it's a dead-arm issue or maybe he just decided to rein it it, but there would seem to be a little reason for concern headed into his final start of the spring.

I know they said it wasn't arm related, but who knows.

yeah you bring up a good point about what to believe. Like you said, he visited a non-orthopedic doctor, but we all know teams lie and engage in tons of misdirection, so who knows. Nobody seems to be willing to say anything, which is really weird. Typical Mets

Well and think about this. If Harvey did indeed have arm problems- the Mets after the way they handled him last year would get crucified.

it would certainly be the end of teams pushing guys who are coming off TJ rehab

oh yeah. Especially if just in the Mets division Strasburg and Fernandez had dominant seasons. Will be something extremely interesting to watch here in the next few days.....

can't wait to watch Fernandez again. He's probably my favorite pitcher to watch

A few glimmers of hope: Puig and Kiké Hernandez played today, Ryu is throwing bullpens, Grandal is being allowed to throw the ball back to the pitcher during bullpens, Seager has played a couple of minor league games. And Ginger Jesus is hitting .600/.652/1.200.

(03-29-2016 02:01 AM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  A few glimmers of hope: Puig and Kiké Hernandez played today, Ryu is throwing bullpens, Grandal is being allowed to throw the ball back to the pitcher during bullpens, Seager has played a couple of minor league games. And Ginger Jesus is hitting .600/.652/1.200.

that freakin Turner is like a fungus. He was nothing, totally inconsequential, and now he's a monster at the plate and he won't go away. Thank god he's finally gonna be a free agent

Matt Harvey's Wee-Wee Hurts Because He Didn't Do Enough Tinkles

snicker

(03-29-2016 10:21 AM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(03-29-2016 02:01 AM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  A few glimmers of hope: Puig and Kiké Hernandez played today, Ryu is throwing bullpens, Grandal is being allowed to throw the ball back to the pitcher during bullpens, Seager has played a couple of minor league games. And Ginger Jesus is hitting .600/.652/1.200.

that freakin Turner is like a fungus. He was nothing, totally inconsequential, and now he's a monster at the plate and he won't go away. Thank god he's finally gonna be a free agent

Yeah, he's pretty remarkable. There was a "no doubt about it - he's gonna regress" thing with him after 2014. Everyone, including Dodgers writers/bloggers, agreed. Now, after 2015, a lot of folks are starting to pile expectations, but ZiPS, Steamer and other projections are looking for some regression (but still significantly above 2013 levels). Small sample size this spring but he's just crushing everything. We'll see but he's a good guy - easy to root for.

Expect the Dodgers to make at least a qualifying offer. Friedman loves his draft picks.

(03-29-2016 11:16 AM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  

(03-29-2016 10:21 AM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(03-29-2016 02:01 AM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  A few glimmers of hope: Puig and Kiké Hernandez played today, Ryu is throwing bullpens, Grandal is being allowed to throw the ball back to the pitcher during bullpens, Seager has played a couple of minor league games. And Ginger Jesus is hitting .600/.652/1.200.

that freakin Turner is like a fungus. He was nothing, totally inconsequential, and now he's a monster at the plate and he won't go away. Thank god he's finally gonna be a free agent

Yeah, he's pretty remarkable. There was a "no doubt about it - he's gonna regress" thing with him after 2014. Everyone, including Dodgers writers/bloggers, agreed. Now, after 2015, a lot of folks are starting to pile expectations, but ZiPS, Steamer and other projections are looking for some regression (but still significantly above 2013 levels). Small sample size this spring but he's just crushing everything. We'll see but he's a good guy - easy to root for.

Expect the Dodgers to make at least a qualifying offer. Friedman loves his draft picks.

Coming off seasons with 155 and 138 OPS+ respectively. Assuming his health remains the same, I have to expect somewhere around 135-140. I'm sure the Dodgers would take that. If he puts up those numbers, while remaining healthy and playing a solid 3B, he'll be looking at something like 5/100

(03-29-2016 11:33 AM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(03-29-2016 11:16 AM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  

(03-29-2016 10:21 AM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(03-29-2016 02:01 AM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  A few glimmers of hope: Puig and Kiké Hernandez played today, Ryu is throwing bullpens, Grandal is being allowed to throw the ball back to the pitcher during bullpens, Seager has played a couple of minor league games. And Ginger Jesus is hitting .600/.652/1.200.

that freakin Turner is like a fungus. He was nothing, totally inconsequential, and now he's a monster at the plate and he won't go away. Thank god he's finally gonna be a free agent

Yeah, he's pretty remarkable. There was a "no doubt about it - he's gonna regress" thing with him after 2014. Everyone, including Dodgers writers/bloggers, agreed. Now, after 2015, a lot of folks are starting to pile expectations, but ZiPS, Steamer and other projections are looking for some regression (but still significantly above 2013 levels). Small sample size this spring but he's just crushing everything. We'll see but he's a good guy - easy to root for.

Expect the Dodgers to make at least a qualifying offer. Friedman loves his draft picks.

Coming off seasons with 155 and 138 OPS+ respectively. Assuming his health remains the same, I have to expect somewhere around 135-140. I'm sure the Dodgers would take that. If he puts up those numbers, while remaining healthy and playing a solid 3B, he'll be looking at something like 5/100

I think you're right but ZiPS has him at 128 and Steamer at 112; both of them have him playing only 112 games.

(03-29-2016 11:54 AM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  

(03-29-2016 11:33 AM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(03-29-2016 11:16 AM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  

(03-29-2016 10:21 AM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(03-29-2016 02:01 AM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  A few glimmers of hope: Puig and Kiké Hernandez played today, Ryu is throwing bullpens, Grandal is being allowed to throw the ball back to the pitcher during bullpens, Seager has played a couple of minor league games. And Ginger Jesus is hitting .600/.652/1.200.

that freakin Turner is like a fungus. He was nothing, totally inconsequential, and now he's a monster at the plate and he won't go away. Thank god he's finally gonna be a free agent

Yeah, he's pretty remarkable. There was a "no doubt about it - he's gonna regress" thing with him after 2014. Everyone, including Dodgers writers/bloggers, agreed. Now, after 2015, a lot of folks are starting to pile expectations, but ZiPS, Steamer and other projections are looking for some regression (but still significantly above 2013 levels). Small sample size this spring but he's just crushing everything. We'll see but he's a good guy - easy to root for.

Expect the Dodgers to make at least a qualifying offer. Friedman loves his draft picks.

Coming off seasons with 155 and 138 OPS+ respectively. Assuming his health remains the same, I have to expect somewhere around 135-140. I'm sure the Dodgers would take that. If he puts up those numbers, while remaining healthy and playing a solid 3B, he'll be looking at something like 5/100

I think you're right but ZiPS has him at 128 and Steamer at 112; both of them have him playing only 112 games.

they're also notoriously negative. I mean how can you predict a guy to play 112 games? If he plays 145 games and puts up ZIPS projection of a 128 wRC+, then he's gonna get big money. Panda got 5/95, at a younger age, but with worse numbers. Either way, Turner will get paid.

One thing I don't love about the Giants lineup is Bochy's insistence on continuing to bat Duffy 3rd. He might be my favorite player, but he's not as good a hitter as Posey, Pence or Belt. I understand batting Span leadoff and I guess Panik 2nd makes some sense (although I'd rather see Posey in that spot), but Duffy should not be 3rd. I'd go with something like Span, Panik, Posey, Pence, Belt, Duffy, Crawford, Pitcher, Pagan/Blanco

(03-29-2016 01:42 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  One thing I don't love about the Giants lineup is Bochy's insistence on continuing to bat Duffy 3rd. He might be my favorite player, but he's not as good a hitter as Posey, Pence or Belt. I understand batting Span leadoff and I guess Panik 2nd makes some sense (although I'd rather see Posey in that spot), but Duffy should not be 3rd. I'd go with something like Span, Panik, Posey, Pence, Belt, Duffy, Crawford, Pitcher, Pagan/Blanco

Old school says your best hitter for average should be in the 3 slot but the optimized lineup says your three best hitters should be in the 1, 2, and 4 slots (not necessarily in that order). And your 5th best hitter for average should be hitting third. Maybe Bochy's been reading up...

Nats with another rain out today. That's like 3 here in a week for the Nats.