(03-22-2016 08:25 AM)NC Tribe Wrote:  I appreciate all the responses to my questions and am glad the Mrs. Got Ribe and others are already working in the area I was suggesting. I am convinced that the position that Coach Shaver has the program in now coupled with the current make-up of the CAA and all the coaching changes puts the Tribe in a solid position to take the next step. I know some people on this board still want to talk about how many games Tony's teams have lost over the years, but even a Shaver critic has to accept that the program is in much better shape from a recruiting stand point than it was a decade ago and our competitive landscape in the league, while not easy, isn't quite as tough as it was before.

I've been going to Davidson games since 1998 and was a member of the Fast Break Club for Davidson hoops. I've seen the program grow and move to the A-10. Now the Fast Break club got swallowed up by the Davidson Athletic Fund and club dues went from $300 per season for an individual to $1,000. They don't need me anymore if everyone else is paying $1,000, so I am out.

McKillop didn't take the Cats dancing until year 10 and they didn't go back until years 14 & 18, and then Curry showed up and you know the rest.

I like the trajectory the Tribe is on. With everyone's help, the Tribe can do it.

There used to be a Fast Break Club for men's basketball. There would be a gathering in the Person room after some games and Coach would show up along with the players. Jay would introduce Coach and he would talk for a while and answer questions.Don't remember if there were any dues involved. It has been a while and I had almost forgotten about it. Can't remember if they have had it since we started having halftime gatherings in the Person room.

(03-22-2016 09:42 AM)WMTRIBE75 Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 08:25 AM)NC Tribe Wrote:  I appreciate all the responses to my questions and am glad the Mrs. Got Ribe and others are already working in the area I was suggesting. I am convinced that the position that Coach Shaver has the program in now coupled with the current make-up of the CAA and all the coaching changes puts the Tribe in a solid position to take the next step. I know some people on this board still want to talk about how many games Tony's teams have lost over the years, but even a Shaver critic has to accept that the program is in much better shape from a recruiting stand point than it was a decade ago and our competitive landscape in the league, while not easy, isn't quite as tough as it was before.

I've been going to Davidson games since 1998 and was a member of the Fast Break Club for Davidson hoops. I've seen the program grow and move to the A-10. Now the Fast Break club got swallowed up by the Davidson Athletic Fund and club dues went from $300 per season for an individual to $1,000. They don't need me anymore if everyone else is paying $1,000, so I am out.

McKillop didn't take the Cats dancing until year 10 and they didn't go back until years 14 & 18, and then Curry showed up and you know the rest.

I like the trajectory the Tribe is on. With everyone's help, the Tribe can do it.

There used to be a Fast Break Club for men's basketball. There would be a gathering in the Person room after some games and Coach would show up along with the players. Jay would introduce Coach and he would talk for a while and answer questions.Don't remember if there were any dues involved. It has been a while and I had almost forgotten about it. Can't remember if they have had it since we started having halftime gatherings in the Person room.

The key is not letting the athletic department take control of the funds. When the Davidson club was separate from the DAF, the money went to pay for the pep band, buses to away games and anything else the coaching staff thought would help boost interest in the program, and it was all additional discretionary money, not used to allow other funds to be shifted to water polo.

I have some questions, should I e-mail them to you or can you answer on the board? I want to know about how you keep the money going to the designated purpose and will contributions be tax deductible?

I just wanted to briefly add my perspective to this discussion.

When I was a student I was one of the executives for Tribal Fever and one of our biggest goals was to change the atmosphere at basketball games. We held many meetings with members of the AD in order to achieve this. Because we were college students and thought we could change the world we we're constantly frustrated by how conservative our department was when it came to change. Many very good, very practical ideas were left on the drawing board simply because "it's the way we've always done it." Even more frustrating was when we voiced our complaints we we're always told "this IS progress, you should have seen this department 15 years ago."

But it's not my intention to be a wet blanket and discourage people from trying to better our basketball program. Instead I wanted to offer an anecdote highlighting our success. It used to be that the student section was split so that there was one by each basket. We had a lot of trouble filling both and most games had two sparsely populated sections. There was also an unstated rule that all our athletes would sit on one side and the non-athletes on the other. So during one of our meetings someone simply suggested merging the two sections and force everyone to sit together. There were a lot of empty stares and we we're all waiting to hear "well that's the way we've always done it." But instead Spencer Milne, our liaison at the time, spoke up and said "you know what, I'll be in charge of that. I can just change it myself." (Side note: Spencer is awesome and will definitely be one of the biggest proponents of change from within the AD.) And overnight we got our merged section. The very next game the one super-section was packed and extremely rowdy with all the football players in it. I have no idea if the changes we pushed for have lasted because it's rare that I'm able to make it back for a basketball game but it was fantastic that athletics took a chance and made something happen.

So my point is this: our athletic department can be extremely conservative when it comes to new ideas BUT the framework for success is there. What will help is having people from here and other members of the community that supports Tribe athletics constantly remind those within the AD that we want better things. Money certainly helps. Concrete ideas (because they won't come up with them on their own) help too. But I think more than anything else the department just needs to know that there is a (formerly silent) majority that supports these ideas.

Your anectdote is interesting, Zablenoise, since in the late 70's and early 80's there was only one primary student section. The same as it is now. So, two sections was not always the way it was, or, maybe it was just the way it was since 1995

So my point is this: our athletic department can be extremely conservative when it comes to new ideas BUT the framework for success is there. What will help is having people from here and other members of the community that supports Tribe athletics constantly remind those within the AD that we want better things. Money certainly helps. Concrete ideas (because they won't come up with them on their own) help too. But I think more than anything else the department just needs to know that there is a (formerly silent) majority that supports these ideas.
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It is a shame we have had to put up with this mismanaged system for so many years.

There is a light at the end of the tunnel. We get a new president in 2018 (no cut on Taylor who is wonderful) who will then select a new AD. There will be huge changes. A few like Spenser & Pete Clawson will remain (probably a few more) & then we will hopefully see a 21st century Athletic Department that does not live in the past.

(03-21-2016 09:13 PM)Mrs. Got Ribe Wrote:  In addition to the major goals set forth by the Committee on Competitive Excellence referenced by wanm65, the Athletic Department and coaches developed five-year goals for increased budgets for each sport. These one-sheets for each sport are well done and full of information. They show our budget compared to those of our peers in each sport. They highlight our successes. And they give a stated impact that the increased funding will have in each area. I know that they are being used to garner big donations, but I also think they are invaluable in communicating our goals, needs, and successes to all fans.

Men's basketball has a short-term goal of a $180,000 increase for this year: $20k for scholarships (summer school), $60k for operating equipment and team travel, $100k for coaches' salaries. This is then multiplied out over five years to show a $900k increase in the operating budget from 2015 to 2020.

Mark Boddy, Mark Batzel, and I are set to begin a fund raising campaign of our own to raise the $100k for summer school scholarships over the next five years. This is the kind of grass-roots, wide-net effort that can make a difference, exactly what NC Tribe was talking about. And if that is successful, we can move on to team travel or coaches' salaries. And then who knows, maybe we can raise the $25 million for the practice facility. I have seen the architect's drawings...and it is pretty damn sweet.

So, who is in? In addition to soliciting classmates, friends, and fans, I had planned on pitching it here too. My goal is to find 10 people who will give $1k a year for five years, 10 people who will give $500 a year for five years, and 50 people who can give $100 a year for five years. And if you can't do that, I'll take whatever you want to contribute for any length of time. Be a part of this. This may be the most important fund-raising we can do. It is what the coaches are asking for, what they feel we need to compete. [This has to be money above what you already donate to the Tribe Club so that it will actually result in an increase in the basketball budget.]

PM me or email me (kklitten@gmail.com) with any questions or if you are interested in contributing. We can do this and it will make a difference. And I like LeadBolt's idea about making the donations on OTOD. Imagine if we could fund summer school scholarships for the next five years with pledges given on one day.

GOT RIBE!

I am very interested in this. We have a long-tenured coach who has been successful (and as soon as Rocco teaches him how to use timeouts and coach defense I am sure he will become more successful) and he is apparently one of the lowest paid coaches in the league. How can we hope to hire a replacement? How can he retain staff?

I have been a donor to W&M athletics for over 30 years and have always given unrestricted donations. However, it is clear that the current policy does not support basketball the way I would have hoped. I also know that designating my current contributions to basketball wouldn't do any good because money is fungible.

The idea of making targeting donations that go directly to the basketball program is very appealing. There are obvious questions about accounting controls and NCAA compliance that I am sure the organizers of this push have considered. The only question is how much they want to communicate via this forum or through other means.

(03-22-2016 03:29 PM)Tribeheart Wrote:  Your anectdote is interesting, Zablenoise, since in the late 70's and early 80's there was only one primary student section. The same as it is now. So, two sections was not always the way it was, or, maybe it was just the way it was since 1995

I want to bring back the football players in painter's clothes with their pipes that they hit on the rails. One of my favorite memories from decades ago came right after one of those excruciating (for me) losses to that school in Norfolk. Some fat student manager on their bench decided to go over and heckle the guys in the painter's outfits when the game ended. The stupid kid had no idea that the guys were football players. I had no idea that football players could hurdle a railing so fast. That kid barely escaped.

(03-21-2016 09:13 PM)Mrs. Got Ribe Wrote:  In addition to the major goals set forth by the Committee on Competitive Excellence referenced by wanm65, the Athletic Department and coaches developed five-year goals for increased budgets for each sport. These one-sheets for each sport are well done and full of information. They show our budget compared to those of our peers in each sport. They highlight our successes. And they give a stated impact that the increased funding will have in each area. I know that they are being used to garner big donations, but I also think they are invaluable in communicating our goals, needs, and successes to all fans.

Men's basketball has a short-term goal of a $180,000 increase for this year: $20k for scholarships (summer school), $60k for operating equipment and team travel, $100k for coaches' salaries. This is then multiplied out over five years to show a $900k increase in the operating budget from 2015 to 2020.

Mark Boddy, Mark Batzel, and I are set to begin a fund raising campaign of our own to raise the $100k for summer school scholarships over the next five years. This is the kind of grass-roots, wide-net effort that can make a difference, exactly what NC Tribe was talking about. And if that is successful, we can move on to team travel or coaches' salaries. And then who knows, maybe we can raise the $25 million for the practice facility. I have seen the architect's drawings...and it is pretty damn sweet.

So, who is in? In addition to soliciting classmates, friends, and fans, I had planned on pitching it here too. My goal is to find 10 people who will give $1k a year for five years, 10 people who will give $500 a year for five years, and 50 people who can give $100 a year for five years. And if you can't do that, I'll take whatever you want to contribute for any length of time. Be a part of this. This may be the most important fund-raising we can do. It is what the coaches are asking for, what they feel we need to compete. [This has to be money above what you already donate to the Tribe Club so that it will actually result in an increase in the basketball budget.]

PM me or email me (kklitten@gmail.com) with any questions or if you are interested in contributing. We can do this and it will make a difference. And I like LeadBolt's idea about making the donations on OTOD. Imagine if we could fund summer school scholarships for the next five years with pledges given on one day.

GOT RIBE!

This looks like a really positive effort... I don't have a lot but I would contribute $100 x 5 years in addition to the fairly small amount of money I donate towards the Pep Band each year.

UNCW recently returned to sports specific giving. It had been removed for many years, with all donations going to a general fund. There are also cash awards allocated to the specific clubs for participation/giving/etc. It makes giving a competition, which we can all agree is good for everyone. Good luck. The CAA is coming back baby!

Word of caution. The Yeager Cup is housed at UNCW...and we have the intention of permanently affixing it to our trophy case(see what I did there?). :-)

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There is a light at the end of the tunnel. We get a new president in 2018 (no cut on Taylor who is wonderful) who will then select a new AD.
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Maybe I'm missing something but what does a new President have to do with a new AD? I believe the current AD has worked under Sullivan, Nichol, and Reveley.

There is a light at the end of the tunnel. We get a new president in 2018 (no cut on Taylor who is wonderful) who will then select a new AD.
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Maybe I'm missing something but what does a new President have to do with a new AD? I believe the current AD has worked under Sullivan, Nichol, and Reveley.
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Way past time for a change-it will happen

(03-23-2016 01:22 PM)Tribe1693 Wrote:  Maybe I'm missing something but what does a new President have to do with a new AD? I believe the current AD has worked under Sullivan, Nichol, and Reveley.

I don't think it's the change in presidents per se, but the impression that Terry Driscoll may be nearing retirement. He's 68 or so.

A change in administration, or AD, or coach is not a solution in itself. I think all of the above have done a good job in recent years. I hope we are not turning into our purplehazed friends to the west where anything less than an undefeated season in the ACC and final four berths with a 200 million dollar convo center with 50,000 seats is cause to rage on the administration and fire the coach.

That being said, it is the way of the college world and of college sports in general to need revenue for the program. With the Commonwealth continuing to cut funding to the state schools at every level, the College is feeling the crunch more than ever. Of course, as we all know, no money is coming for Tribeathletics except through donations and sales. The ideas expressed regarding fundraising are good. My hope is that the majority of my dollars in the near future to W&M will be going for tuition for my daughter who will decide her college choice next year. However, I will see if I can give some money during One Tribe One Day to basketball, football or both. Great information on this thread. Already trying to send information on One Tribe One Day to other classmates. While doing that, I will try and emphasize the opportunities for football and basketball. Many of my friends want to support the college as a whole, but would be happy to split their gift among several causes if it does not make things worse for applying them.

(03-21-2016 09:13 PM)Mrs. Got Ribe Wrote:  In addition to the major goals set forth by the Committee on Competitive Excellence referenced by wanm65, the Athletic Department and coaches developed five-year goals for increased budgets for each sport. These one-sheets for each sport are well done and full of information. They show our budget compared to those of our peers in each sport. They highlight our successes. And they give a stated impact that the increased funding will have in each area. I know that they are being used to garner big donations, but I also think they are invaluable in communicating our goals, needs, and successes to all fans.

Men's basketball has a short-term goal of a $180,000 increase for this year: $20k for scholarships (summer school), $60k for operating equipment and team travel, $100k for coaches' salaries. This is then multiplied out over five years to show a $900k increase in the operating budget from 2015 to 2020.

Mark Boddy, Mark Batzel, and I are set to begin a fund raising campaign of our own to raise the $100k for summer school scholarships over the next five years. This is the kind of grass-roots, wide-net effort that can make a difference, exactly what NC Tribe was talking about. And if that is successful, we can move on to team travel or coaches' salaries. And then who knows, maybe we can raise the $25 million for the practice facility. I have seen the architect's drawings...and it is pretty damn sweet.

So, who is in? In addition to soliciting classmates, friends, and fans, I had planned on pitching it here too. My goal is to find 10 people who will give $1k a year for five years, 10 people who will give $500 a year for five years, and 50 people who can give $100 a year for five years. And if you can't do that, I'll take whatever you want to contribute for any length of time. Be a part of this. This may be the most important fund-raising we can do. It is what the coaches are asking for, what they feel we need to compete. [This has to be money above what you already donate to the Tribe Club so that it will actually result in an increase in the basketball budget.]

PM me or email me (kklitten@gmail.com) with any questions or if you are interested in contributing. We can do this and it will make a difference. And I like LeadBolt's idea about making the donations on OTOD. Imagine if we could fund summer school scholarships for the next five years with pledges given on one day.

GOT RIBE!

Mrs. Got Ribe,

Reading your post above, along with that of your groom, am I correct in understanding that donating money to summer scholarships for MBB would be a way to increase spending on MBB and not having money funneled elsewhere by adding something new, would help to give the coach what he most needs first, and be an acceptable to the athletic department?

Thanks,
LB

(03-23-2016 04:08 PM)TribePride91 Wrote:  Of course, as we all know, no money is coming for Tribeathletics except through donations and sales. The ideas expressed regarding fundraising are good. My hope is that the majority of my dollars in the near future to W&M will be going for tuition for my daughter who will decide her college choice next year.

Don't worry, if your daughter chooses W&M, you'll be helping Tribe Athletics. About half of our athletics budget is from student fees. :)

(03-22-2016 03:40 PM)tribeinexile Wrote:  

(03-21-2016 09:13 PM)Mrs. Got Ribe Wrote:  In addition to the major goals set forth by the Committee on Competitive Excellence referenced by wanm65, the Athletic Department and coaches developed five-year goals for increased budgets for each sport. These one-sheets for each sport are well done and full of information. They show our budget compared to those of our peers in each sport. They highlight our successes. And they give a stated impact that the increased funding will have in each area. I know that they are being used to garner big donations, but I also think they are invaluable in communicating our goals, needs, and successes to all fans.

Men's basketball has a short-term goal of a $180,000 increase for this year: $20k for scholarships (summer school), $60k for operating equipment and team travel, $100k for coaches' salaries. This is then multiplied out over five years to show a $900k increase in the operating budget from 2015 to 2020.

Mark Boddy, Mark Batzel, and I are set to begin a fund raising campaign of our own to raise the $100k for summer school scholarships over the next five years. This is the kind of grass-roots, wide-net effort that can make a difference, exactly what NC Tribe was talking about. And if that is successful, we can move on to team travel or coaches' salaries. And then who knows, maybe we can raise the $25 million for the practice facility. I have seen the architect's drawings...and it is pretty damn sweet.

So, who is in? In addition to soliciting classmates, friends, and fans, I had planned on pitching it here too. My goal is to find 10 people who will give $1k a year for five years, 10 people who will give $500 a year for five years, and 50 people who can give $100 a year for five years. And if you can't do that, I'll take whatever you want to contribute for any length of time. Be a part of this. This may be the most important fund-raising we can do. It is what the coaches are asking for, what they feel we need to compete. [This has to be money above what you already donate to the Tribe Club so that it will actually result in an increase in the basketball budget.]

PM me or email me (kklitten@gmail.com) with any questions or if you are interested in contributing. We can do this and it will make a difference. And I like LeadBolt's idea about making the donations on OTOD. Imagine if we could fund summer school scholarships for the next five years with pledges given on one day.

GOT RIBE!

I am very interested in this. We have a long-tenured coach who has been successful (and as soon as Rocco teaches him how to use timeouts and coach defense I am sure he will become more successful) and he is apparently one of the lowest paid coaches in the league. How can we hope to hire a replacement? How can he retain staff?

I have been a donor to W&M athletics for over 30 years and have always given unrestricted donations. However, it is clear that the current policy does not support basketball the way I would have hoped. I also know that designating my current contributions to basketball wouldn't do any good because money is fungible.

The idea of making targeting donations that go directly to the basketball program is very appealing. There are obvious questions about accounting controls and NCAA compliance that I am sure the organizers of this push have considered. The only question is how much they want to communicate via this forum or through other means.

Point of order- I don't want to teach him defense. I want Tony Bennett to teach him defense. Shaver should learn from the best.

Sorry for the lack of response. We are on the west coast visiting our kids and I've had little spare time. I have some information about donations and answers to some of your questions. I will start a new thread here and get this info out to you soon.

Thanks to everyone who has shown interest.

Tony had 11 NCAA D-III appearances @ Hamden-Sydney and 13, 20+win seasons.

He has led the Tribe to 3 consecutive 20 win seasons @ William and Mary (counting non-D1 wins) and has the team performing well at a mid-major level. I hear what Mrs. Got Ribe has said about the resources needed for future success and making the NCAA's once each player cycle, which sounds like a good goal for our school.

I am eagerly awaiting the new thread on what we can practically do to help facilitate reaching this goal and the discussion that follows. Tony is a good coach, although he has flaws as all of (except Rocco) do.

We are aware that support for athletics @ William and Mary is less than most of our opponents, and probably always will be so, but we can improve those resources by working together. I am distressed by Mr. Got Ribe's disclosure on the potential that earmarked resources for a sport may potentially displace resources for that sport to be distributed to others.

My favorite sport @ William & Mary is Men's Basketball and it should be the one with the most favorable cost/benefit ratio at a school such as W&M. There is no reason that the talent level of the players and coach can't break the door down.

We need to ban together to get them the resources to do so on a sustained basis as outlined in our athletic goals for student athletes and hold the athletic department stakeholders from AD to team managers and everyone between accountable. there is an energy that has grown and we need to sustain and increase it. Kudos to those who have led the way. It is time for more of us to get on the bus.