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(03-20-2016 08:24 PM)ctipton Wrote:  
(03-20-2016 08:09 PM)OhioIsMySacredHome Wrote:  
(03-20-2016 06:51 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  
(03-15-2016 07:30 AM)Not Duane Wrote:  
(03-14-2016 11:27 PM)payday Wrote:  At least I had the Big Red Machine era.

Well, locally, within the last 4 decades, we have had:

The Big Red Machine
The 1990 Reds Miracle
Bengals 2 trips to the Super Bowl

Let's not forget the Cyclones

OSU success in FB

For Local MBB there has been quite a lot of winning on the court if you count (again, your loyalties will determine which of these schools you pull for):

UL
UK

UC
OSU
UD

XU

So the area is far from a sports wasteland as far as success is concerned.


really?!?!?! We don't care about ohio state success, uofl, uk, xu, or ud success...get a clue loser
Please refer to my earlier post. Many people have multiple, even synergistic, affiliations. I think it's kind of cute how some UC fans hate the rest of Ohio.

I don't think people on this forum hate the rest of Ohio, just Ohio State. You, as an OSU troll, believe it should always be unicorns and rainbows. But we have been slapped at and slapped down by Ohio State and the Ohio State backers in the Ohio legislature that we just don't buy that. Your school would not even play us in basketball from 1962 until Huggins was fired and our program was completely on the ropes. We, as UC fans, do not want to share our allegeance. We are completely happy the way we are and your and other troll presence really isn't called for.
Wow Chris. Extremely well said.
 
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How has UC been slapped at by the Ohio Legislature? OSU just gets the bulk of the attention because they're the flagship and count many alumni in Ohio Government. Plus, OSU is a bit larger. Since the statehouse is 10 miles away from campus that may help.
However, UC gets more attention than any other state school not named OSU. Santa Ono is the top leader appointed by Kasich.
Maybe Toledo or Kent State should be upset by all the UC love?
I'm just saying that the whole argument is a fallacy.
Calling me a troll might make you feel good but it also displays flawed logic.
Cincinnati is a vital part of Ohio and Ohioans have a right to be supporters of all their institutions.
 
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(03-21-2016 11:30 AM)OhioIsMySacredHome Wrote:  How has UC been slapped at by the Ohio Legislature? OSU just gets the bulk of the attention because they're the flagship and count many alumni in Ohio Government. Plus, OSU is a bit larger. Since the statehouse is 10 miles away from campus that may help.
However, UC gets more attention than any other state school not named OSU. Santa Ono is the top leader appointed by Kasich.
Maybe Toledo or Kent State should be upset by all the UC love?
I'm just saying that the whole argument is a fallacy.
Calling me a troll might make you feel good but it also displays flawed logic.
Cincinnati is a vital part of Ohio and Ohioans have a right to be supporters of all their institutions.

And we have the right to be supporters of only some of our institutions.
 
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(03-21-2016 11:30 AM)OhioIsMySacredHome Wrote:  How has UC been slapped at by the Ohio Legislature? OSU just gets the bulk of the attention because they're the flagship and count many alumni in Ohio Government. Plus, OSU is a bit larger. Since the statehouse is 10 miles away from campus that may help.
However, UC gets more attention than any other state school not named OSU. Santa Ono is the top leader appointed by Kasich.
Maybe Toledo or Kent State should be upset by all the UC love?
I'm just saying that the whole argument is a fallacy.
Calling me a troll might make you feel good but it also displays flawed logic.
Cincinnati is a vital part of Ohio and Ohioans have a right to be supporters of all their institutions.

OSU is a fine historic school. I have many friends that went there, roommates at UC that came from C-Bus, and one old room mate that is higher-up in the Office of Financial Services & Treasurer @ OSU. I have more patience than most here re: OSU, but even I wear thin at times.

The "bulk of the attention" is rightly due, and if it stopped at that, I think most could live with it, but there is a caustic relationship that goes a bit deeper. Keep in mind that there is a cumulative effect over the years. I'm sure more "seasoned" Bearcat fans can add to the list, but here are a few things that come to mind.

1) Refusal to schedule in men's hoops

2) The State of Ohio (who partially funded the construction) artificially capping Shoemaker capacity at 13,176 so as to not exceed St. Johns arena (13,276)

3) Trying to cancel, then buying back the last football game that should have been in Cincinnati (why sign the contract in the first place?)

4) These quotes:

Presidents said the process of securing funding in the past has been extremely contentious. “It was really hand-to-hand combat,” Gee said. “There were times when the University of Cincinnati would want something and I would try my hardest to make sure they didn’t get it, even if I wasn’t going to get it either. It was not one of my greater moments as a university president.”

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2013...p-governor

"You know Penn State just abhors Pitt. It would be the same way. Even though we love Cincinnati as a city, we want it to be an Ohio State city. They’d have to take Gene out and shoot him to let Cincinnati into the Big Ten. There are some things that we just would not to. And that’s the way that Penn State also feels about Pitt."

http://www.si.com/college-football/campu...l-comments

5) The disdain many T-Shirt fans on message boards etc. will throw UC's way. Typically you ignore that stuff since every base has them, but like I said there is a cumulative effect that makes many die-hard Bearcats boil over when some goof ball throws crap our way.

The University of Cincinnati has never treated any of the MAC schools or any other school for that matter in the same way. UC has never intentionally hindered the growth of another school, in such a way as OSU done everything to keep UC down. That, my friend is the root of a lot of the angst here.
 
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(03-21-2016 11:30 AM)OhioIsMySacredHome Wrote:  How has UC been slapped at by the Ohio Legislature?

Data: Money from 2014, Students from 2015:

Ohio State University:
State Funding for Student Instruction: $342,015,847
Students from Ohio: 41,590 (48,061 counting branches)
Money per Ohio Student: $8,224 ($7,116 counting branch students)

University of Cincinnati:
State Funding for Student Instruction: $160,294,129
Students from Ohio: 34,803
Money per Ohio Student: $4,606
 
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(03-21-2016 11:30 AM)OhioIsMySacredHome Wrote:  How has UC been slapped at by the Ohio Legislature? OSU just gets the bulk of the attention because they're the flagship and count many alumni in Ohio Government. Plus, OSU is a bit larger. Since the statehouse is 10 miles away from campus that may help.
However, UC gets more attention than any other state school not named OSU. Santa Ono is the top leader appointed by Kasich.
Maybe Toledo or Kent State should be upset by all the UC love?
I'm just saying that the whole argument is a fallacy.
Calling me a troll might make you feel good but it also displays flawed logic.
Cincinnati is a vital part of Ohio and Ohioans have a right to be supporters of all their institutions.

I dont give a rats about the rest of Ohio. I dont do that lame OH- IO bullcrap. I dint care what to$u, toledo, akron etc do in sports. I dont cheet for them because I dont care. When I lived in Cincy and travelled I told people I was from Cincy, not OH. When I come back to visit i visit Cincy, not OH. As far as Im concerned I wish Cincy could break off from OH and be its own city-state.
 
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(03-21-2016 02:05 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  
(03-21-2016 11:30 AM)OhioIsMySacredHome Wrote:  How has UC been slapped at by the Ohio Legislature? OSU just gets the bulk of the attention because they're the flagship and count many alumni in Ohio Government. Plus, OSU is a bit larger. Since the statehouse is 10 miles away from campus that may help.
However, UC gets more attention than any other state school not named OSU. Santa Ono is the top leader appointed by Kasich.
Maybe Toledo or Kent State should be upset by all the UC love?
I'm just saying that the whole argument is a fallacy.
Calling me a troll might make you feel good but it also displays flawed logic.
Cincinnati is a vital part of Ohio and Ohioans have a right to be supporters of all their institutions.

I dont give a rats about the rest of Ohio. I dont do that lame OH- IO bullcrap. I dint care what to$u, toledo, akron etc do in sports. I dont cheet for them because I dont care. When I lived in Cincy and travelled I told people I was from Cincy, not OH. When I come back to visit i visit Cincy, not OH. As far as Im concerned I wish Cincy could break off from OH and be its own city-state.
So you're saying that Cincinnati is to Ohio what Quebec is to Canada?

As an Ohio State educated, Columbus son of a Cleveland mother, married to a Toledo woman, raising Cincinnati children- I feel sorry for you. You have Ohio's pity.
 
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(03-21-2016 05:56 PM)OhioIsMySacredHome Wrote:  
(03-21-2016 02:05 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  
(03-21-2016 11:30 AM)OhioIsMySacredHome Wrote:  How has UC been slapped at by the Ohio Legislature? OSU just gets the bulk of the attention because they're the flagship and count many alumni in Ohio Government. Plus, OSU is a bit larger. Since the statehouse is 10 miles away from campus that may help.
However, UC gets more attention than any other state school not named OSU. Santa Ono is the top leader appointed by Kasich.
Maybe Toledo or Kent State should be upset by all the UC love?
I'm just saying that the whole argument is a fallacy.
Calling me a troll might make you feel good but it also displays flawed logic.
Cincinnati is a vital part of Ohio and Ohioans have a right to be supporters of all their institutions.

I dont give a rats about the rest of Ohio. I dont do that lame OH- IO bullcrap. I dint care what to$u, toledo, akron etc do in sports. I dont cheet for them because I dont care. When I lived in Cincy and travelled I told people I was from Cincy, not OH. When I come back to visit i visit Cincy, not OH. As far as Im concerned I wish Cincy could break off from OH and be its own city-state.
So you're saying that Cincinnati is to Ohio what Quebec is to Canada?

As an Ohio State educated, Columbus son of a Cleveland mother, married to a Toledo woman, raising Cincinnati children- I feel sorry for you. You have Ohio's pity.

OSU fans say the same thing about Greater Cincy. They say it is much different than the rest of Ohio. I have never thought of myself as an Ohioan. We don't need your pity.
 
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(03-21-2016 06:05 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(03-21-2016 05:56 PM)OhioIsMySacredHome Wrote:  
(03-21-2016 02:05 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  
(03-21-2016 11:30 AM)OhioIsMySacredHome Wrote:  How has UC been slapped at by the Ohio Legislature? OSU just gets the bulk of the attention because they're the flagship and count many alumni in Ohio Government. Plus, OSU is a bit larger. Since the statehouse is 10 miles away from campus that may help.
However, UC gets more attention than any other state school not named OSU. Santa Ono is the top leader appointed by Kasich.
Maybe Toledo or Kent State should be upset by all the UC love?
I'm just saying that the whole argument is a fallacy.
Calling me a troll might make you feel good but it also displays flawed logic.
Cincinnati is a vital part of Ohio and Ohioans have a right to be supporters of all their institutions.

I dont give a rats about the rest of Ohio. I dont do that lame OH- IO bullcrap. I dint care what to$u, toledo, akron etc do in sports. I dont cheet for them because I dont care. When I lived in Cincy and travelled I told people I was from Cincy, not OH. When I come back to visit i visit Cincy, not OH. As far as Im concerned I wish Cincy could break off from OH and be its own city-state.
So you're saying that Cincinnati is to Ohio what Quebec is to Canada?

As an Ohio State educated, Columbus son of a Cleveland mother, married to a Toledo woman, raising Cincinnati children- I feel sorry for you. You have Ohio's pity.

OSU fans say the same thing about Greater Cincy. They say it is much different than the rest of Ohio. I have never thought of myself as an Ohioan. We don't need your pity.

spot on superfy....spot on

I was proud to be a Cincinnatian when I lived there. I am proud to be a UC alumni. I love UC, I love Cincy. I love the hills, the chili, Graeter's ice cream, and LaRosas pizza. I love the big mac bridge, Mt Adams, and the Reds. I love the culture and charm of Cincy.

The rest of Ohio can fall off the map including that smug, classless university in Columbus. When Michigan plays an Ohio state u, i don't watch the game because I don't care but I do like seeing Michigan win in the box score. I get a chuckle out of it. I could care less about the ohio/michigan rivalry because I never thought of myself as an ohioan. I was from Cincy, not Ohio.
 
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Few random thoughts about Ohio and Cincinnati:
1. Plenty of people don't like OSU throughout the state. I know some of you guys hate OSU, but don't give up on the rest of the state. I'm not saying don't love Cincinnati first if that's where your heart is, but while not everything is good around the state, there is a lot to like about Ohio still. Even if not everyone is proud to be part of Ohio, I am proud that Cincinnati is part of Ohio.

2. I have only ever heard OSU fans talk about Cincinnati like a different state on sports message boards and only when UC is the topic (a very limited sample size and in spots were people are trying to make a topic us vs. them). In real life, most people I know don't think of Cleveland and Cincinnati all that differently (although Cincinnati is viewed as nicer by those I know).

3. Columbus is very mixed as far as allegiances go. There are more Reds fans than Indians fans I think, but it is closer than it used to be (to which I attribute more people moving south from Cleveland than north from Cincinnati). Bengals fans are outnumbered by Browns fans, but we have our share of both and a number of fair weather ones like me who would root for either if the stakes were big enough. As far as colleges go, while the vast majority root for Ohio State, I've never sensed any animosity here toward UC and the people I know who care are happy to see them do well (I imagine this might be different for OSU fans closer to Cincinnati).
 
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(03-21-2016 01:11 PM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  
(03-21-2016 11:30 AM)OhioIsMySacredHome Wrote:  How has UC been slapped at by the Ohio Legislature?

Data: Money from 2014, Students from 2015:

Ohio State University:
State Funding for Student Instruction: $342,015,847
Students from Ohio: 41,590 (48,061 counting branches)
Money per Ohio Student: $8,224 ($7,116 counting branch students)

University of Cincinnati:
State Funding for Student Instruction: $160,294,129
Students from Ohio: 34,803
Money per Ohio Student: $4,606

I saw no responses to this very legitimate point.

Successful states recognize and support the success of the schools which are educating their future. Ono has pushed for the Ohio system to be more like Florida, Michigan, Oklahoma, Colorado, South Carolina, North Carolina, etc, etc. All have more than 1 flagship. Ohio is big enough for that, it has enough smart kids, and it should want to bring in more smart kids.
At the end of the day should OSU get twice as much financial support as UC? HELL NO.
 
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(03-21-2016 10:01 PM)nati streets Wrote:  
(03-21-2016 01:11 PM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  
(03-21-2016 11:30 AM)OhioIsMySacredHome Wrote:  How has UC been slapped at by the Ohio Legislature?

Data: Money from 2014, Students from 2015:

Ohio State University:
State Funding for Student Instruction: $342,015,847
Students from Ohio: 41,590 (48,061 counting branches)
Money per Ohio Student: $8,224 ($7,116 counting branch students)

University of Cincinnati:
State Funding for Student Instruction: $160,294,129
Students from Ohio: 34,803
Money per Ohio Student: $4,606

I saw no responses to this very legitimate point.

Successful states recognize and support the success of the schools which are educating their future. Ono has pushed for the Ohio system to be more like Florida, Michigan, Oklahoma, Colorado, South Carolina, North Carolina, etc, etc. All have more than 1 flagship. Ohio is big enough for that, it has enough smart kids, and it should want to bring in more smart kids.
At the end of the day should OSU get twice as much financial support as UC? HELL NO.

These are all great points and there really isn't a good response to it. The state of Ohio has made the choice to prioritize OSU above everyone else and it's a shame.
 
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(03-21-2016 10:01 PM)nati streets Wrote:  
(03-21-2016 01:11 PM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  
(03-21-2016 11:30 AM)OhioIsMySacredHome Wrote:  How has UC been slapped at by the Ohio Legislature?

Data: Money from 2014, Students from 2015:

Ohio State University:
State Funding for Student Instruction: $342,015,847
Students from Ohio: 41,590 (48,061 counting branches)
Money per Ohio Student: $8,224 ($7,116 counting branch students)

University of Cincinnati:
State Funding for Student Instruction: $160,294,129
Students from Ohio: 34,803
Money per Ohio Student: $4,606

I saw no responses to this very legitimate point.

Successful states recognize and support the success of the schools which are educating their future. Ono has pushed for the Ohio system to be more like Florida, Michigan, Oklahoma, Colorado, South Carolina, North Carolina, etc, etc. All have more than 1 flagship. Ohio is big enough for that, it has enough smart kids, and it should want to bring in more smart kids.
At the end of the day should OSU get twice as much financial support as UC? HELL NO.
Bruce, that is indeed very good data. Thank you for sharing it. I would be interested to see where Kent shakes out along with the others. I think there is some consolidation coming in NEO.
I think the fact that OSU Alumni dominate the legislature helps them.
 
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(03-22-2016 08:17 PM)OhioIsMySacredHome Wrote:  
(03-21-2016 10:01 PM)nati streets Wrote:  
(03-21-2016 01:11 PM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  
(03-21-2016 11:30 AM)OhioIsMySacredHome Wrote:  How has UC been slapped at by the Ohio Legislature?

Data: Money from 2014, Students from 2015:

Ohio State University:
State Funding for Student Instruction: $342,015,847
Students from Ohio: 41,590 (48,061 counting branches)
Money per Ohio Student: $8,224 ($7,116 counting branch students)

University of Cincinnati:
State Funding for Student Instruction: $160,294,129
Students from Ohio: 34,803
Money per Ohio Student: $4,606

I saw no responses to this very legitimate point.

Successful states recognize and support the success of the schools which are educating their future. Ono has pushed for the Ohio system to be more like Florida, Michigan, Oklahoma, Colorado, South Carolina, North Carolina, etc, etc. All have more than 1 flagship. Ohio is big enough for that, it has enough smart kids, and it should want to bring in more smart kids.
At the end of the day should OSU get twice as much financial support as UC? HELL NO.
Bruce, that is indeed very good data. Thank you for sharing it. I would be interested to see where Kent shakes out along with the others. I think there is some consolidation coming in NEO.
I think the fact that OSU Alumni dominate the legislature helps them.

Well no sh!t. What have we said?
 
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Some of the disparity is the result of UC not becoming a full fledged state university until the 1970's. The physical plant infrastructure was woefully outdated and the rebuild of campus completed in the past decade represented a much needed infusion of state capital improvement funds. Of course that has proven to be a competitive advantage as UC's campus is now widely recognized-- not just as best in state but one of the finest in the nation and the world.

Academic funding is a separate bucket. The statistics Bruce Monnin provided are consistent with what I've seen through the years too. It's said that UC is one of the state's two comprehensive public research universities--a tier above the others. Financially, that has pretty much been the case relative to all others. The problem has been the disparity between UC and OSU on that top tier.

I can't blame OSU for fighting to hog resources. They're deeply entrenched with the legislature and had uncontested alpha dog status for more than a century. Pretty sad though in the 7th most populous state to have just one. Seems to me that UC has made remarkable progress and delivered great ROI for Ohio taxpayers. It's time for the state to direct more money this way. It only helps Ohio to have two great public institutions. Look what it's meant to Michigan having UM and MSU both respected? Or Cal-Berkeley and UCLA? Ohio is big enough for two powerhouse schools and the legislature needs to recognize that as a win/win.
 
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I still don't know why the state gives money directly to the schools and instead doesn't provide a voucher/coupon/whatever that an Ohio student could take to any Ohio public university. Bet it would save the state money.
 
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(03-22-2016 10:37 PM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  I still don't know why the state gives money directly to the schools and instead doesn't provide a voucher/coupon/whatever that an Ohio student could take to any Ohio public university. Bet it would save the state money.

Going to a per student voucher would not allow the state legislature to favor one university over the others which they are want to do.

The unholy alliance between the legislature and tOSU exists because of the proximity. tOSU gives tickets and access to state legislators and gets "payback" in return.

The USO is set up to keep tOSU at the top and lists tOSU all by iteself as the "The Land Grant and National Research University", BGSU, Kent, Miami and OU as the "Historic Four Corners" and UC in the third group "The Urban Research Universities" with Shawnee State (p 33 of report linked below — No I am not kidding.) The report was generated out of Columbus (Fingerhut was chancellor/Strickland appointee) and the findings, with regard to UC, were so biased and sought to downplay UC's profile that it was laughable.

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Though it did say (as of 2006)"

"University of Cincinnati is the largest employer in
the Cincinnati region, with an annual economic
impact of more than $3 billion, and an endow-
ment of more than $1.1 billion."
 
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There has been considerable discussion about President Gordon Gee’s comments made during a December meeting with the Ohio State University Athletic Council. Although his comments about UC and other institutions were unfortunate, he did call me to apologize and I accepted his apology. Gordon and I have had a strong working relationship and I have deep respect for both him and for OSU.

Nonetheless, I think there is an important point that arises from the dialogue that has followed the release of Gordon’s comments. In short, that point focuses on the benefits of moving away from a single flagship model for our university system toward one where there is strategic support for multiple flagships. This goes well beyond distributing funding for state support of instruction. It would involve a commitment to strategically grow a subset of our universities to be “best of class” in defined fields.

The rationale behind the multiple flagship model is simple. Strong universities are economic engines for the state and especially the regions where they are located. From a state perspective, it makes sense for there to be strong economic engines located within each of its cities rather than in a single location. Economic development is needed in Cleveland and Cincinnati just as much as it is needed in Columbus. And from a practical standpoint it is important to remember that a majority of taxpayer resources supporting public higher education are raised outside of Columbus. It is therefore only fair that these funds be used strategically to strengthen multiple universities rather than a single flagship.

The University System of Ohio (USO) has played a significant role in strengthening all of its members over the years. UC would not be what it is today without that investment. But I submit that now is the time for Ohio to move beyond a single flagship model to one where there is genuine strategic support for multiple universities. Ohioans deserve this and will only prosper if we develop multiple flagships, as has already occurred in California and Texas.

Moving to this next level for Ohio requires the commitment of our politicians and civic leaders as well as our citizens. And as university presidents, we must set the tone. We must celebrate each others successes. We must collaborate, not compete; we must place the welfare of the state first.

If Indiana, Michigan, North Carolina, Illinois and Texas can support the development of multiple world-class campuses within their systems, there is no reason Ohio cannot do the same.

And the development of multiple strong universities within a state system transcends academics and research, it also includes intercollegiate sports. Consider the situations in North Carolina and Michigan.

Strategic investment in North Carolina State as well as University of North Carolina was pivotal to the success of the Research Triangle Park economic engine for the state of North Carolina. North Carolina is an excellent example of how strategic investment in multiple campuses has a more profound impact on the state than the antiquated flagship model. The third anchor for North Carolina’s Research Triangle Park is, of course, Duke University, a private institution. So strategic investment and cooperation transcends the public/private line.

One need only consider the examples of California, Texas, Michigan and North Carolina to quickly realize how parochial and myopic the single flagship model is and how beneficial it would be for Ohio to have multiple flagships across the state.

In Ohio we have taken baby steps toward strategic support of our 14 universities through the University System of Ohio. And we have made significant progress toward our own triangle model with OSU, UC and Case Western Reserve as anchors. Governor Kasich has championed more cooperation between our universities and has turned to UC and others to lead various initiatives. We would do well to build upon the stage he has set.

To move Ohio to the forefront of university systems, baby steps will not suffice. We will need to develop multiple flagship campuses across the state and create programs and processes that will create real synergy. And as leaders we must rise above the parochial view and support each other – in whatever arena (academics, research, health care and intercollegiate sports) – for the good of the citizens of Ohio. ■

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(03-23-2016 08:45 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  
(03-22-2016 10:37 PM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  I still don't know why the state gives money directly to the schools and instead doesn't provide a voucher/coupon/whatever that an Ohio student could take to any Ohio public university. Bet it would save the state money.

Going to a per student voucher would not allow the state legislature to favor one university over the others which they are want to do.

The unholy alliance between the legislature and tOSU exists because of the proximity. tOSU gives tickets and access to state legislators and gets "payback" in return.

The USO is set up to keep tOSU at the top and lists tOSU all by iteself as the "The Land Grant and National Research University", BGSU, Kent, Miami and OU as the "Historic Four Corners" and UC in the third group "The Urban Research Universities" with Shawnee State (p 33 of report linked below — No I am not kidding.) The report was generated out of Columbus (Fingerhut was chancellor/Strickland appointee) and the findings, with regard to UC, were so biased and sought to downplay UC's profile that it was laughable.

http://www.shawnee.edu/offices/president...icPlan.pdf

Yes, I remember when that came out and it would have been laughable if not so damaging. Thankfully, we have tons of objective data suggesting UC is a top tier public research university in spite of the attempts of some fellow Ohioans to turn their guns inside the fort and fire.
 
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