(03-09-2016 12:51 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(03-09-2016 12:30 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Well as miko so eloquently put it Ronald Reagan was a classless punk. How petty of him not to attend Bess Truman's funeral.

There is literally nothing Obama could do or not do where conservatives wouldn't get their panties in a punch. It's no win all the time. For fun I sometimes make up something he's done that is in line with more conservative leaders to my conservative friends and then they rip on it and tell me why that is another reason Obama is the worst.

You realize Reagan was meeting with the president of Lebanon (Amin Gemayel) when her funeral was held, right? There was a lot of tensions between the two nations at the time. In fact this meeting was just six months before the US Embassy in Beirut was bombed.

As I alluded to in my prior post, it is all about time and place.

Are you sure about that?

Quote:The new Lebanese president will confer with Reagan at the White House Oct. 19 during an 'official working visit,' officials in Beirut and Washington said. It will be their first meeting.

New Lebanese president to meet with Reagan
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=41883

Truman died on the 19th. Her funeral was 2 days later on the 21st.

BESS TRUMAN RITES HELD IN MISSOURI - INDEPENDENCE, Mo., Oct. 21

(03-09-2016 12:59 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(03-09-2016 12:51 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(03-09-2016 12:30 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Well as miko so eloquently put it Ronald Reagan was a classless punk. How petty of him not to attend Bess Truman's funeral.

There is literally nothing Obama could do or not do where conservatives wouldn't get their panties in a punch. It's no win all the time. For fun I sometimes make up something he's done that is in line with more conservative leaders to my conservative friends and then they rip on it and tell me why that is another reason Obama is the worst.

You realize Reagan was meeting with the president of Lebanon (Amin Gemayel) when her funeral was held, right? There was a lot of tensions between the two nations at the time. In fact this meeting was just six months before the US Embassy in Beirut was bombed.

As I alluded to in my prior post, it is all about time and place.

You realize I don't give a **** that Reagan skipped Bess Truman's funeral, or that Bush did not attend Lady Bird Johnson's? The president's job isn't to attend funerals. There is literally nothing President Obama could do in any situation where Conservatives wouldn't go nuts. The amount of animosity people have blows my mind, but I guess you gotta make someone an enemy.

I can agree it is not in the president's job description to attend a funeral, but I also do think it is not unreasonable for people to be critical as well. As I said before it just comes across as tacky.

(03-09-2016 01:06 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(03-09-2016 12:59 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(03-09-2016 12:51 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(03-09-2016 12:30 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Well as miko so eloquently put it Ronald Reagan was a classless punk. How petty of him not to attend Bess Truman's funeral.

There is literally nothing Obama could do or not do where conservatives wouldn't get their panties in a punch. It's no win all the time. For fun I sometimes make up something he's done that is in line with more conservative leaders to my conservative friends and then they rip on it and tell me why that is another reason Obama is the worst.

You realize Reagan was meeting with the president of Lebanon (Amin Gemayel) when her funeral was held, right? There was a lot of tensions between the two nations at the time. In fact this meeting was just six months before the US Embassy in Beirut was bombed.

As I alluded to in my prior post, it is all about time and place.

You realize I don't give a **** that Reagan skipped Bess Truman's funeral, or that Bush did not attend Lady Bird Johnson's? The president's job isn't to attend funerals. There is literally nothing President Obama could do in any situation where Conservatives wouldn't go nuts. The amount of animosity people have blows my mind, but I guess you gotta make someone an enemy.

I can agree it is not in the president's job description to attend a funeral, but I also do think it is not unreasonable for people to be critical as well. As I said before it just comes across as tacky.

And the usual criticism...when sitting presidents rarely attend these funerals...is petty.

To be honest, Obama has no place at Nancy's funeral.

(03-09-2016 12:59 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(03-09-2016 12:51 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(03-09-2016 12:30 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Well as miko so eloquently put it Ronald Reagan was a classless punk. How petty of him not to attend Bess Truman's funeral.

There is literally nothing Obama could do or not do where conservatives wouldn't get their panties in a punch. It's no win all the time. For fun I sometimes make up something he's done that is in line with more conservative leaders to my conservative friends and then they rip on it and tell me why that is another reason Obama is the worst.

You realize Reagan was meeting with the president of Lebanon (Amin Gemayel) when her funeral was held, right? There was a lot of tensions between the two nations at the time. In fact this meeting was just six months before the US Embassy in Beirut was bombed.

As I alluded to in my prior post, it is all about time and place.

You realize I don't give a **** that Reagan skipped Bess Truman's funeral, or that Bush did not attend Lady Bird Johnson's? The president's job isn't to attend funerals. There is literally nothing President Obama could do in any situation where Conservatives wouldn't go nuts. The amount of animosity people have blows my mind, but I guess you gotta make someone an enemy.

Skipping one funeral does not make one classless. However, when you look at Obama's body of work then it's but one part of a larger case against his abilities as a competent president as well as someone who has tact to handle the office professionally.

It's not just Nancy Reagan's funeral. Add in Scalia's funeral. Add in the caustic rhetoric Obama has used regarding the garbage he spewed that led to the "beer summit", his unhelpful discourse on Trey Martin, Ferguson, etc. Add in the gross misfires on his foreign policy "wins" - see Iran nuclear treaty - and it all adds up to an incompetent ass sitting in the oval office.

Before you get your panties in a bunch, let's reminisce about people routinely roasted GWB through his entire 8 year presidency. A lot of progs thought he could never do any right. Let's not be hypocrites please.

(03-09-2016 12:59 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(03-09-2016 12:51 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(03-09-2016 12:30 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Well as miko so eloquently put it Ronald Reagan was a classless punk. How petty of him not to attend Bess Truman's funeral.

There is literally nothing Obama could do or not do where conservatives wouldn't get their panties in a punch. It's no win all the time. For fun I sometimes make up something he's done that is in line with more conservative leaders to my conservative friends and then they rip on it and tell me why that is another reason Obama is the worst.

You realize Reagan was meeting with the president of Lebanon (Amin Gemayel) when her funeral was held, right? There was a lot of tensions between the two nations at the time. In fact this meeting was just six months before the US Embassy in Beirut was bombed.

As I alluded to in my prior post, it is all about time and place.

You realize I don't give a **** that Reagan skipped Bess Truman's funeral, or that Bush did not attend Lady Bird Johnson's? The president's job isn't to attend funerals. There is literally nothing President Obama could do in any situation where Conservatives wouldn't go nuts. The amount of animosity people have blows my mind, but I guess you gotta make someone an enemy.

Um, the animosity is well deserved. He's a classless fuckwad. Read a comma in there.

(03-08-2016 09:18 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  as much as I disliked ronnie's policies (especially the residual impact of the war on drugs and trade negotiations), she promoted education and paying attention......

that's a good woman in my book.....ronnie can suck my raw steak....a chimp could've beaten carter.....

I am no Reagan fan either, but he is a former President. His name should be treated with a little more respect.

(03-09-2016 01:28 PM)miko33 Wrote:  Before you get your panties in a bunch, let's reminisce about people routinely roasted GWB through his entire 8 year presidency. A lot of progs thought he could never do any right. Let's not be hypocrites please.

And IIRC at that time, the standard republican response was that it was unpatriotic to criticize the President in such a manner. So if you are talking hypocrites....

And exactly how many GOP presidents attended former first ladies funerals whil ein office?

(03-09-2016 01:28 PM)miko33 Wrote:  ...let's reminisce about people routinely roasted GWB through his entire 8 year presidency. A lot of progs thought he could never do any right. Let's not be hypocrites please.

Good idea. Remind us of all the petty things Bush was criticized for. And then we'll compare them to what Obama is criticized for.

I guessing you're not going to like the totals.

And that doesn't even take into account the conspiratorial nonsense!


Almost Every Obama Conspiracy Theory Ever

(03-09-2016 02:54 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-09-2016 01:28 PM)miko33 Wrote:  ...let's reminisce about people routinely roasted GWB through his entire 8 year presidency. A lot of progs thought he could never do any right. Let's not be hypocrites please.

Good idea. Remind us of all the petty things Bush was criticized for. And then we'll compare them to what Obama is criticized for.

I guessing you're not going to like the totals.

And that doesn't even take into account the conspiratorial nonsense!


Almost Every Obama Conspiracy Theory Ever

Nice try, but no. The quantity of conspiracies generated by a diverse group of people from a variety of backgrounds is not the major determinant on whether party members have it out for an elected official. It's the intensity of the attacks and the relentless frequency of making those attacks. No doubt Obama was grilled by the right. Bush was treated with a flamethrower.

Bottom line, BOTH sides went scorched earth against a sitting president for virtually each presidents entire time in office. That is practically a generation of hyper-political smear and sludge thrown around by political elites on both sides of the aisle that has ultimately created the situation where guys like Trump and Sanders have shots at winning the party nominations within our political duopoly. This was my point and this is why someone railing against how Obama was mistreated is falling on deaf ears in my case. We saw this game for 8 years, and the other side simply did the same thing to the guy of the other party. Sixteen ******* years this went on.

Totally agree that both parties are complicit in this, but if you think the Democrats (elected or in the general populous) treated W the same as Republicans are treating Obama, you're delirious.

Just look at the unprecedented number of filibusters and the treatment Obama nominees got for starters. It's not even close.

I would point out, going off memory, I think George W Bush spent most of his Presidency with the House controlled by Republicans and about half the time the Senate was, whereas Obama only had about two years with a Democratically controlled House, and also about half of the time with the Senate.

I point that out because that is as much a product of party politics as anything. However I do believe that had a Democratic Senator public proclaimed his job was to make George W Bush a one term president, I just don't believe the GOP would take that very well.

I attend SXSW on a regular basis.

But not this year. Large crowds, overcrowded venues and transportation gridlock in Downtown Austin are an annual pain. Add in the Security restrictions inherent in a Presidential visit and its just too much.

(03-09-2016 04:01 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  I attend SXSW on a regular basis.

But not this year. Large crowds, overcrowded venues and transportation gridlock in Downtown Austin are an annual pain. Add in the Security restrictions inherent in a Presidential visit and its just too much.

That is actually no minor thing. A sitting president cannot just show up to an event, and not make it about them. To use another example, it probably seems like it would be awesome to have the POTUS at your wedding. Until you see the security precautions that occur and all of a sudden it is not about the bride anymore. Now granted with other high security people, such as Michelle Obama, the Bush's, and for that matter the deceased herself, who are all under Secret Service protection, that may be a moot point. But that is a lot of drama for someone who likely never even knew Mrs. Reagan, to disrupt her family in mourning.

(03-09-2016 04:08 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(03-09-2016 04:01 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  I attend SXSW on a regular basis.

But not this year. Large crowds, overcrowded venues and transportation gridlock in Downtown Austin are an annual pain. Add in the Security restrictions inherent in a Presidential visit and its just too much.

That is actually no minor thing. A sitting president cannot just show up to an event, and not make it about them. To use another example, it probably seems like it would be awesome to have the POTUS at your wedding. Until you see the security precautions that occur and all of a sudden it is not about the bride anymore. Now granted with other high security people, such as Michelle Obama, the Bush's, and for that matter the deceased herself, who are all under Secret Service protection, that may be a moot point. But that is a lot of drama for someone who likely never even knew Mrs. Reagan, to disrupt her family in mourning.

wait, did you just use security as an excuse for obummer to not attend the funeral?

I didn't use anything as any excuse. Because I don't care. I said it is no minor thing. Are you telling me it is no minor detail? Because that would be much more worth of ground slapping laughter.

I'm so outraged. LMFAO

(03-09-2016 04:15 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  I didn't use anything as any excuse. Because I don't care. I said it is no minor thing. Are you telling me it is no minor detail? Because that would be much more worth of ground slapping laughter.

If you dont care, then why even bring it up?

And where did I say anything about being a minor detail? I know its not a minor detail, Ive experienced it first hand.

(03-09-2016 04:18 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I'm so outraged. LMFAO

Don't think anyone is outraged. Just seems like it would be a nice thing for Obama to do. However, I do understand his calendar is packed.

(03-09-2016 04:18 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I'm so outraged. LMFAO

Hillary's campaign is on fire... shouldnt you be carrying some... water?