Broken clock always right twice a day.

Quote:Filmmaker Michael Moore is no fan of Republicans. He’s been attacking Republican Governor Rick Snyder over the lead in the water of Flint, Michigan, since the crisis began and went so far as to call for the Governor’s arrest.

But on the day of the Democratic presidential debate in Flint, Moore directed his anger toward Democrats, reminding his 1.92 million followers: “Flint has voted for Dems for 84 straight” years and they “ignored pleas while Flint was poisoned.”

Moore, who has endorsed Bernie Sanders, didn’t stop there. He criticized Democrats for offering only bottled water and the Justice Department for not arresting Governor Snyder.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/03/07/michae...dium=Owned

Since Flint is his hometown, I am amazed he didn't go there during this crisis and advocate for people. Hell, he could have brought in some clean water.

I blame it on Moore.

Maybe he bathed in it and that's the problem. No, I take that back. I don't think he bathes much.

I worked with a guy named michael moore......I hated that fkr too....

what a pos tub-0-goo he is.....

I shake his hand, put him in a submissive hold, and take a slimy dump in his mouth....

michigan libs are a sight to be-in-that-hold.....

(03-07-2016 11:04 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  Broken clock always right twice a day.

Quote:Filmmaker Michael Moore is no fan of Republicans. He’s been attacking Republican Governor Rick Snyder over the lead in the water of Flint, Michigan, since the crisis began and went so far as to call for the Governor’s arrest.

But on the day of the Democratic presidential debate in Flint, Moore directed his anger toward Democrats, reminding his 1.92 million followers: “Flint has voted for Dems for 84 straight” years and they “ignored pleas while Flint was poisoned.”

Moore, who has endorsed Bernie Sanders, didn’t stop there. He criticized Democrats for offering only bottled water and the Justice Department for not arresting Governor Snyder.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/03/07/michae...dium=Owned

That was what was so amusing to hear the Democrats (especially Hillary and Bernie) blame it all on the Republicans when the reason the state was even involved was because the Democrats had run Flint into the ground.

(03-08-2016 08:07 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-07-2016 11:04 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  Broken clock always right twice a day.

Quote:Filmmaker Michael Moore is no fan of Republicans. He’s been attacking Republican Governor Rick Snyder over the lead in the water of Flint, Michigan, since the crisis began and went so far as to call for the Governor’s arrest.

But on the day of the Democratic presidential debate in Flint, Moore directed his anger toward Democrats, reminding his 1.92 million followers: “Flint has voted for Dems for 84 straight” years and they “ignored pleas while Flint was poisoned.”

Moore, who has endorsed Bernie Sanders, didn’t stop there. He criticized Democrats for offering only bottled water and the Justice Department for not arresting Governor Snyder.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/03/07/michae...dium=Owned

That was what was so amusing to hear the Democrats (especially Hillary and Bernie) blame it all on the Republicans when the reason the state was even involved was because the Democrats had run Flint into the ground.

this 'sum' calls that the irony of irony

(03-07-2016 11:13 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  Since Flint is his hometown, I am amazed he didn't go there during this crisis and advocate for people. Hell, he could have brought in some clean water.

Typical though isn't it? Lots of complaining without actually doing anything to help.

(03-07-2016 11:13 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  Since Flint is his hometown, I am amazed he didn't go there during this crisis and advocate for people. Hell, he could have brought in some clean water.

He's actually been pretty sick lately and was hospitalized for a time I believe, so that might have something to do with it. And if you read his tweets, you'll see that he's been complaining about people who ONLY bring water bottles...as that doesn't address the problem. So he's not going to be bringing in water while he's saying that.

(03-08-2016 08:07 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-07-2016 11:04 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  Broken clock always right twice a day.

Quote:Filmmaker Michael Moore is no fan of Republicans. He’s been attacking Republican Governor Rick Snyder over the lead in the water of Flint, Michigan, since the crisis began and went so far as to call for the Governor’s arrest.

But on the day of the Democratic presidential debate in Flint, Moore directed his anger toward Democrats, reminding his 1.92 million followers: “Flint has voted for Dems for 84 straight” years and they “ignored pleas while Flint was poisoned.”

Moore, who has endorsed Bernie Sanders, didn’t stop there. He criticized Democrats for offering only bottled water and the Justice Department for not arresting Governor Snyder.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/03/07/michae...dium=Owned

That was what was so amusing to hear the Democrats (especially Hillary and Bernie) blame it all on the Republicans when the reason the state was even involved was because the Democrats had run Flint into the ground.

What they're mostly blaming Republicans for is the ridiculous emergency manager law in Michigan and Snyder's lack of leadership once the crisis was uncovered.

(03-08-2016 09:00 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(03-07-2016 11:13 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  Since Flint is his hometown, I am amazed he didn't go there during this crisis and advocate for people. Hell, he could have brought in some clean water.

Typical though isn't it? Lots of complaining without actually doing anything to help.

a biatch is only a biatch....and when you're a fat-tub-0-goo, you're still a whiny biatch....

(03-08-2016 09:07 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-07-2016 11:13 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  Since Flint is his hometown, I am amazed he didn't go there during this crisis and advocate for people. Hell, he could have brought in some clean water.

He's actually been pretty sick lately and was hospitalized for a time I believe, so that might have something to do with it. And if you read his tweets, you'll see that he's been complaining about people who ONLY bring water bottles...as that doesn't address the problem. So he's not going to be bringing in water while he's saying that.

And what does he expect people will drink while they wait for government to "address the problem". Someone else had pointed it out and it is a good point, that the problem probably isn't just the water source, but all of the pipes in Flint. That place is a dump and has more problems than just water.

Vote Michael Moore for Mayor in 2018!

(Seriously. DO IT FLINT!)

Moore's complaint is that the Governor has not been put in irons. He's not addressing the shaw hole democratic leadership has turned Flint into.

(03-08-2016 11:30 AM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  

(03-08-2016 09:07 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-07-2016 11:13 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  Since Flint is his hometown, I am amazed he didn't go there during this crisis and advocate for people. Hell, he could have brought in some clean water.

He's actually been pretty sick lately and was hospitalized for a time I believe, so that might have something to do with it. And if you read his tweets, you'll see that he's been complaining about people who ONLY bring water bottles...as that doesn't address the problem. So he's not going to be bringing in water while he's saying that.

And what does he expect people will drink while they wait for government to "address the problem". Someone else had pointed it out and it is a good point, that the problem probably isn't just the water source, but all of the pipes in Flint. That place is a dump and has more problems than just water.

It's nice of you to just take a dump on Flint, but as I'm sure you're aware, pretty much every city in America that's been around for sometime has the exact same type of water pipes. They just haven't been ruined by water pumped through them without the proper additives to prevent corrosion of the pipes. You are aware of that, yes?

Quote:The Environmental Protection Agency, which is tasked with protecting drinking water, estimates there are 10 million lead “service lines” that link water mains in streets to buildings.

The American Water Works Association, which represents about 4,000 water utilities, estimates a lower number of about 6.5 million. The average cost for each replacement line is about $5,000, for a total of $32.5 billion, according to G. Tracy Mehan III, executive director of government affairs for the trade group, who believes all such pipes eventually need to be replaced.

“We are probably facing a new era of creative financing,” Mr. Mehan said, with municipalities likely raising the funds through a blend of local, state, federal and private sources.

Lead Water Pipes Vex Many Cities

(03-08-2016 11:30 AM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  

(03-08-2016 09:07 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-07-2016 11:13 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  Since Flint is his hometown, I am amazed he didn't go there during this crisis and advocate for people. Hell, he could have brought in some clean water.

He's actually been pretty sick lately and was hospitalized for a time I believe, so that might have something to do with it. And if you read his tweets, you'll see that he's been complaining about people who ONLY bring water bottles...as that doesn't address the problem. So he's not going to be bringing in water while he's saying that.

And what does he expect people will drink while they wait for government to "address the problem". Someone else had pointed it out and it is a good point, that the problem probably isn't just the water source, but all of the pipes in Flint. That place is a dump and has more problems than just water.

But water is a basic need. Can't live without it.

(03-08-2016 11:38 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-08-2016 11:30 AM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  

(03-08-2016 09:07 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-07-2016 11:13 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  Since Flint is his hometown, I am amazed he didn't go there during this crisis and advocate for people. Hell, he could have brought in some clean water.

He's actually been pretty sick lately and was hospitalized for a time I believe, so that might have something to do with it. And if you read his tweets, you'll see that he's been complaining about people who ONLY bring water bottles...as that doesn't address the problem. So he's not going to be bringing in water while he's saying that.

And what does he expect people will drink while they wait for government to "address the problem". Someone else had pointed it out and it is a good point, that the problem probably isn't just the water source, but all of the pipes in Flint. That place is a dump and has more problems than just water.

It's nice of you to just take a dump on Flint, but as I'm sure you're aware, pretty much every city in America that's been around for sometime has the exact same type of water pipes. They just haven't been ruined by water pumped through them without the proper additives to prevent corrosion of the pipes. You are aware of that, yes?

Quote:The Environmental Protection Agency, which is tasked with protecting drinking water, estimates there are 10 million lead “service lines” that link water mains in streets to buildings.

The American Water Works Association, which represents about 4,000 water utilities, estimates a lower number of about 6.5 million. The average cost for each replacement line is about $5,000, for a total of $32.5 billion, according to G. Tracy Mehan III, executive director of government affairs for the trade group, who believes all such pipes eventually need to be replaced.

“We are probably facing a new era of creative financing,” Mr. Mehan said, with municipalities likely raising the funds through a blend of local, state, federal and private sources.

Lead Water Pipes Vex Many Cities

Yep. Infrastructure is something everybody needs, and nobody wants to pay for.

One of the small but fast-growing cities I covered years back for almost a decade has been run by pro-biz conservatives since it was chartered in 1972. They've long done things without a big budget because they don't have the tax base and they don't believe in high taxes.

I never heard that they had a problem with lead water pipes per say, but providing sewer services has been a headache. For a while, they were paying monthly fines to state EPD over spills, state finally stepped in said they had to build new one, they built it and then found out if they don't do something they'll be tens of millions in the hole budgetwise in a few years.

So, they hiked rates, will eventually double them and more. This pisses people off, but what else can you do?

This city is in an affluent area where most of those who work there (police, fire, etc) can't afford to live there.

Their water problem is more about whether they can get more from the ground to handle booming population growth. State's got them in an area where they're restricted from withdrawing more than what they're already permitted for.

But I wouldn't be surprised if this city, and others in this area, find out they face similar problems with pipes.

(03-08-2016 11:38 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-08-2016 11:30 AM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  

(03-08-2016 09:07 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-07-2016 11:13 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  Since Flint is his hometown, I am amazed he didn't go there during this crisis and advocate for people. Hell, he could have brought in some clean water.

He's actually been pretty sick lately and was hospitalized for a time I believe, so that might have something to do with it. And if you read his tweets, you'll see that he's been complaining about people who ONLY bring water bottles...as that doesn't address the problem. So he's not going to be bringing in water while he's saying that.

And what does he expect people will drink while they wait for government to "address the problem". Someone else had pointed it out and it is a good point, that the problem probably isn't just the water source, but all of the pipes in Flint. That place is a dump and has more problems than just water.

It's nice of you to just take a dump on Flint, but as I'm sure you're aware, pretty much every city in America that's been around for sometime has the exact same type of water pipes. They just haven't been ruined by water pumped through them without the proper additives to prevent corrosion of the pipes. You are aware of that, yes?

Quote:The Environmental Protection Agency, which is tasked with protecting drinking water, estimates there are 10 million lead “service lines” that link water mains in streets to buildings.

The American Water Works Association, which represents about 4,000 water utilities, estimates a lower number of about 6.5 million. The average cost for each replacement line is about $5,000, for a total of $32.5 billion, according to G. Tracy Mehan III, executive director of government affairs for the trade group, who believes all such pipes eventually need to be replaced.

“We are probably facing a new era of creative financing,” Mr. Mehan said, with municipalities likely raising the funds through a blend of local, state, federal and private sources.

Lead Water Pipes Vex Many Cities

First of all, the phosphate additive is band-aid. It doesn't make the water less "corrosive." It simply adheres to the pipe, lessening the actual interaction of the lead with the water. The pipes are not "ruined" if the phosphate isn't used. The water just picks up trace amounts of lead, which is bad for those who drink that water.

Secondly, Chicago is facing scrutiny right now due to their careful (as in selective) testing of water in ways to *not* find lead issues. And, they no longer offer guidance to people in areas of the city that may have lead issues.

The solution is to replace those pipes. Big cities aren't doing it because they and their tax payers are broke. I suggest you read the below story about how Madison replaced all their lead pipes.

http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/e...28240.html

The article correctly points out that adding phosphate to the drinking water increases the loading on the sewer plant at the back end because you have to remove phosphates from wasterwater. If you don't, you get tremendous amounts of biotic growth downstream of the sewer plant, causing fish kills, for example. It can even affect the next community downstream if they are trying to pull that water into their drinking water plant.

Phosphates are not the answer.

(03-08-2016 11:38 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-08-2016 11:30 AM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  

(03-08-2016 09:07 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-07-2016 11:13 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  Since Flint is his hometown, I am amazed he didn't go there during this crisis and advocate for people. Hell, he could have brought in some clean water.

He's actually been pretty sick lately and was hospitalized for a time I believe, so that might have something to do with it. And if you read his tweets, you'll see that he's been complaining about people who ONLY bring water bottles...as that doesn't address the problem. So he's not going to be bringing in water while he's saying that.

And what does he expect people will drink while they wait for government to "address the problem". Someone else had pointed it out and it is a good point, that the problem probably isn't just the water source, but all of the pipes in Flint. That place is a dump and has more problems than just water.

It's nice of you to just take a dump on Flint, but as I'm sure you're aware, pretty much every city in America that's been around for sometime has the exact same type of water pipes. They just haven't been ruined by water pumped through them without the proper additives to prevent corrosion of the pipes. You are aware of that, yes?

Quote:The Environmental Protection Agency, which is tasked with protecting drinking water, estimates there are 10 million lead “service lines” that link water mains in streets to buildings.

The American Water Works Association, which represents about 4,000 water utilities, estimates a lower number of about 6.5 million. The average cost for each replacement line is about $5,000, for a total of $32.5 billion, according to G. Tracy Mehan III, executive director of government affairs for the trade group, who believes all such pipes eventually need to be replaced.

“We are probably facing a new era of creative financing,” Mr. Mehan said, with municipalities likely raising the funds through a blend of local, state, federal and private sources.

Lead Water Pipes Vex Many Cities

Why is the Water in the Flint River any different than the Water from Detroit or from the Great Lakes north & east of there. Wouldn't the same treatment plants be used to purify the water supply? Or was there contaminated products dumped in the Flint river from Manufacturing plants and such. If so They should be charged with the cleanup like Oil Companies are after a spill. Seems an even bigger crime the Federal government hasn't fully taken over. They have the Billions of dollars to give away to foreign countries, surely They can unpollute a river in America.

(03-08-2016 02:03 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  

(03-08-2016 11:38 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-08-2016 11:30 AM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  

(03-08-2016 09:07 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-07-2016 11:13 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  Since Flint is his hometown, I am amazed he didn't go there during this crisis and advocate for people. Hell, he could have brought in some clean water.

He's actually been pretty sick lately and was hospitalized for a time I believe, so that might have something to do with it. And if you read his tweets, you'll see that he's been complaining about people who ONLY bring water bottles...as that doesn't address the problem. So he's not going to be bringing in water while he's saying that.

And what does he expect people will drink while they wait for government to "address the problem". Someone else had pointed it out and it is a good point, that the problem probably isn't just the water source, but all of the pipes in Flint. That place is a dump and has more problems than just water.

It's nice of you to just take a dump on Flint, but as I'm sure you're aware, pretty much every city in America that's been around for sometime has the exact same type of water pipes. They just haven't been ruined by water pumped through them without the proper additives to prevent corrosion of the pipes. You are aware of that, yes?

Quote:The Environmental Protection Agency, which is tasked with protecting drinking water, estimates there are 10 million lead “service lines” that link water mains in streets to buildings.

The American Water Works Association, which represents about 4,000 water utilities, estimates a lower number of about 6.5 million. The average cost for each replacement line is about $5,000, for a total of $32.5 billion, according to G. Tracy Mehan III, executive director of government affairs for the trade group, who believes all such pipes eventually need to be replaced.

“We are probably facing a new era of creative financing,” Mr. Mehan said, with municipalities likely raising the funds through a blend of local, state, federal and private sources.

Lead Water Pipes Vex Many Cities

Why is the Water in the Flint River any different than the Water from Detroit or from the Great Lakes north & east of there. Wouldn't the same treatment plants be used to purify the water supply? Or was there contaminated products dumped in the Flint river from Manufacturing plants and such. If so They should be charged with the cleanup like Oil Companies are after a spill. Seems an even bigger crime the Federal government hasn't fully taken over. They have the Billions of dollars to give away to foreign countries, surely They can unpollute a river in America.

I believe they aren't allowed to take over. It's not a natural disaster. It's a state issue.