(02-29-2016 07:29 PM)miko33 Wrote:  If this was the private sector, the Dems and the GOP would be found guilty of using monopolistic practices to maintain a structural advantage. Seriously, if Microsoft went to these lengths it would have been prosecuted. However, these "gov't entities" are free to engage in these repugnant practices.

Funny you mention that. Because Gary Johnson is suing the Presidential Debate Commission under the Sherman Anti-Trust Act. Which is hilarious all around.

(02-29-2016 07:29 PM)miko33 Wrote:  I've argued that the GOP needs to sever the strong link with the religious right. That doesn't mean that you actively push them away, it means that you stop letting them drive the political narrative for the party.

i.e. expect conservative Christians to sit down, shut up, and be fine with abortion...

I'd give you some drugs but I gave GTS all I could carry.

(02-29-2016 07:43 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(02-29-2016 07:29 PM)miko33 Wrote:  I've argued that the GOP needs to sever the strong link with the religious right. That doesn't mean that you actively push them away, it means that you stop letting them drive the political narrative for the party.

i.e. expect conservative Christians to sit down, shut up, and be fine with abortion...

I'd give you some drugs but I gave GTS all I could carry.

I am pro life, and I supported efforts to ban abortion in the past. That said, you will never stamp it out. The best thing you can do to minimize it is to do so on the grassroots level on the community level. The efforts that need to be taken will be to provide support to young mothers plus figure out a way to make keeping a baby and giving it up for adoption an attractive alternative to killing it in the womb. These along with many other activities (homeless shelters, food kitchens, etc) should take up the lions share of people who take their faith seriously. You can make significantly more progress in making the option unnecessary than to fight it primarily as a political battle. JMHO.

(02-29-2016 07:43 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(02-29-2016 07:29 PM)miko33 Wrote:  I've argued that the GOP needs to sever the strong link with the religious right. That doesn't mean that you actively push them away, it means that you stop letting them drive the political narrative for the party.

i.e. expect conservative Christians to sit down, shut up, and be fine with abortion...
I'd give you some drugs but I gave GTS all I could carry.

You might as well, because you're not going to change it. At least, you're not going to overturn Roe v. Wade. If you focus on what you can do without overturning Roe v. Wade, you might accomplish something.

(02-29-2016 07:52 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(02-29-2016 07:43 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(02-29-2016 07:29 PM)miko33 Wrote:  I've argued that the GOP needs to sever the strong link with the religious right. That doesn't mean that you actively push them away, it means that you stop letting them drive the political narrative for the party.

i.e. expect conservative Christians to sit down, shut up, and be fine with abortion...

I'd give you some drugs but I gave GTS all I could carry.

I am pro life, and I supported efforts to ban abortion in the past. That said, you will never stamp it out. The best thing you can do to minimize it is to do so on the grassroots level on the community level. The efforts that need to be taken will be to provide support to young mothers plus figure out a way to make keeping a baby and giving it up for adoption an attractive alternative to killing it in the womb. These along with many other activities (homeless shelters, food kitchens, etc) should take up the lions share of people who take their faith seriously. You can make significantly more progress in making the option unnecessary than to fight it primarily as a political battle. JMHO.

But the # of voices saying that in the GOP will be tiny once those dang value voters are pushed into the back seat.

(02-29-2016 07:57 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-29-2016 07:43 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(02-29-2016 07:29 PM)miko33 Wrote:  I've argued that the GOP needs to sever the strong link with the religious right. That doesn't mean that you actively push them away, it means that you stop letting them drive the political narrative for the party.

i.e. expect conservative Christians to sit down, shut up, and be fine with abortion...
I'd give you some drugs but I gave GTS all I could carry.

You might as well, because you're not going to change it. At least, you're not going to overturn Roe v. Wade. If you focus on what you can do without overturning Roe v. Wade, you might accomplish something.

"accomplishing small things" and overturning RvW are not mutually exclusive.

The religious right once wanted to legislate their beliefs. Now they want their right to practice their beliefs protected. It's a different view, and it could easily fit under the Libertarian umbrella.

If it's between the wicked witch of New York and the fascist that wants to conquer the world, I'll take the libertarian. I'm not in sync with the libertarians, but that is the best being offered this time.

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(02-29-2016 08:29 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  If it's between the wicked witch of New York and the fascist that wants to conquer the world, I'll take the libertarian. I'm not in sync with the libertarians, but that is the best being offered this time.

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I'm not sure I don't end up there too if that's what we end up with. Beats voting for the Greens.

(02-29-2016 06:45 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(02-29-2016 06:43 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-29-2016 06:07 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  Hillary won't be as bad as a lot of folks think. A good chunk of her is owned by Wall Street so she's probably not going to do something stupid like start a devastating trade war. Furthermore, she will likely adjust our middle east policy that aligns with Israel, which will be a positive. She might even get back to Billy's new democratic agenda. She is certainly better than Bernie or Pocohontos.

Right now. I'm wishing that Joe Biden did run.

She will shred the constitution and use the government to curtail rights and attack enemies in a way that would make Nixon blush. She will create an even bigger mess overseas. And she will get Americans killed. There's nothing in her history that suggests the slightest degree of competence in running anything.

They'll need a new room in the White House to hold the FBI files.

Probably one with a lock on it this time.

Maybe Bill and Monica can hookup again in the White House. You know, for old time's sake.

Trump just said he wants US leaders to treat the American people the way Chinese leaders treat the Chinese people. This is scary.

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(02-29-2016 08:51 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  Trump just said he wants US leaders to treat the American people the way Chinese leaders treat the Chinese people. This is scary.

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actually it's not....population control.....yep.....building thingys.....yep......infrastucture support......yep....

they got two of three sustainables......the support thingy is their newest problem...

(02-29-2016 08:29 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  If it's between the wicked witch of New York and the fascist that wants to conquer the world, I'll take the libertarian. I'm not in sync with the libertarians, but that is the best being offered this time.

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ummmmmmmmmkay....if you say so....

if one can't win the war, then why fight it.....

you fk'n idiots that think your ideology matters.....

it doesn't mean dick.....whether it's porn length or not.....nobody gives two shites.....

that's the irony of this stupid fk'n board....

or haven't you realized that yet?

one day your fkrs are gonna wake the fk up and figure it out.....there are only a few here that get it.....

(02-29-2016 05:35 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  The Republican base has been forced to choke down Bush, Dole, Romney, McCain for years.

Now that it comes time for the establishment to get their plateful...they're going to threaten to run underneath Hillary's skirts.

Hahaha.

Should be fun to watch.

Yep... the GOP powerbrokers will take their ball and go home... just like spoiled kids.

(02-29-2016 08:51 PM)PlainTiger Wrote:  

(02-29-2016 06:45 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(02-29-2016 06:43 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-29-2016 06:07 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  Hillary won't be as bad as a lot of folks think. A good chunk of her is owned by Wall Street so she's probably not going to do something stupid like start a devastating trade war. Furthermore, she will likely adjust our middle east policy that aligns with Israel, which will be a positive. She might even get back to Billy's new democratic agenda. She is certainly better than Bernie or Pocohontos.

Right now. I'm wishing that Joe Biden did run.

She will shred the constitution and use the government to curtail rights and attack enemies in a way that would make Nixon blush. She will create an even bigger mess overseas. And she will get Americans killed. There's nothing in her history that suggests the slightest degree of competence in running anything.

They'll need a new room in the White House to hold the FBI files.

Probably one with a lock on it this time.

Maybe Bill and Monica can hookup again in the White House. You know, for old time's sake.

No, Bill likes them young.

If these Rinos don't support Trump after we supported all of their Rino candidates, then I'm done with the GOP.

There is clearly a concerted effort to hammer Trump right before the end here.

To use the words of Ali G., "if video games have taught me anything it's that if you are running into enemies you are going the right way."

I take this nasty effort to smear him for what it is, proof positive of the back-alley snake pit that is American politics. I'll take Trump to break it up.

(02-29-2016 08:51 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  Trump just said he wants US leaders to treat the American people the way Chinese leaders treat the Chinese people. This is scary.

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Context?

(02-29-2016 08:14 PM)Claw Wrote:  The religious right once wanted to legislate their beliefs. Now they want their right to practice their beliefs protected. It's a different view, and it could easily fit under the Libertarian umbrella.

This.

I bet most Christian voters at this point just want their beliefs to be protected. Sure, the fringe groups will die extremist but the majority of Christians are rightly concerned about extremist secularism.

(02-29-2016 08:14 PM)Claw Wrote:  The religious right once wanted to legislate their beliefs. Now they want their right to practice their beliefs protected. It's a different view, and it could easily fit under the Libertarian umbrella.

The sooner they'll admit the mistake of the former, the sooner I'll bury the hatchet and join their cause.