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RE: Say no to Penny
(02-21-2016 09:03 PM)M_Tiger Wrote: (02-20-2016 09:27 PM)Easterwood Wrote: It will not end well
Agree 110%
Based on what? I'm open to reason...but why do we just assume Penny would suck? He might...but how are some of you so sure? Yet, fully confident that a first time D1 HC at the age of 50 with a 19-10 record is a "home run" by some accounts...
FWIW, I think Forbes would be a good hire. But he's still a relative gamble, IMO.
Penny would get players & they would respect him - play hard for him. There's more to it than that, but that's a start...
If I wasn't sold (as the AD) on his commitment, I'd go with Forbes, but I'm not sure that conversation has taken place yet. If so, please enlighten me...
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RE: Say no to Penny
(02-21-2016 02:06 PM)80sTiger Wrote: I'm really concerned that the mundane day-to-day will be a challenge for Penny
Thats 90% of a HC's responsibility/time...as limited practice time and games make up the other 10%.
That's some of the things college assistants learn over time and what HC's end up learning/improving on at all of their coaching stops...as its not easy "managing" a major college athletic program.
That was the main problem/mistake made when Univ of Houston brought back their "own", Clyde Drexler as Head Coach, who had zero college coaching experience and was totally clueless on how to run/manage a program...which lead to horrible on the court performance, which lead to his dismal after just 2 years (just 7-25 in conf play, 19-39 overall).
If Penny was ever serious of being a future major college program head coach...he would have fought hard to get on someone's college staff years ago.
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RE: Say no to Penny
(02-22-2016 12:12 AM)HometownTiger Wrote: (02-21-2016 09:03 PM)M_Tiger Wrote: (02-20-2016 09:27 PM)Easterwood Wrote: It will not end well
Agree 110%
Based on what? I'm open to reason...but why do we just assume Penny would suck? He might...but how are some of you so sure? Yet, fully confident that a first time D1 HC at the age of 50 with a 19-10 record is a "home run" by some accounts...
FWIW, I think Forbes would be a good hire. But he's still a relative gamble, IMO.
Penny would get players & they would respect him - play hard for him. There's more to it than that, but that's a start...
If I wasn't sold (as the AD) on his commitment, I'd go with Forbes, but I'm not sure that conversation has taken place yet. If so, please enlighten me...
Cause da man on da radio who speaks into da can said it doe
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RE: Say no to Penny
(02-22-2016 06:05 AM)KnightLight Wrote: (02-21-2016 02:06 PM)80sTiger Wrote: I'm really concerned that the mundane day-to-day will be a challenge for Penny
Thats 90% of a HC's responsibility/time...as limited practice time and games make up the other 10%.
That's some of the things college assistants learn over time and what HC's end up learning/improving on at all of their coaching stops...as its not easy "managing" a major college athletic program.
That was the main problem/mistake made when Univ of Houston brought back their "own", Clyde Drexler as Head Coach, who had zero college coaching experience and was totally clueless on how to run/manage a program...which lead to horrible on the court performance, which lead to his dismal after just 2 years (just 7-25 in conf play, 19-39 overall).
If Penny was ever serious of being a future major college program head coach...he would have fought hard to get on someone's college staff years ago.
Go to the UCF board and talk about your own coaching problems. It's a sad state. You may be the only team we actually beat twice this year. Wait - is there a UCF board?
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RE: Say no to Penny
(02-22-2016 06:05 AM)KnightLight Wrote: (02-21-2016 02:06 PM)80sTiger Wrote: I'm really concerned that the mundane day-to-day will be a challenge for Penny
Thats 90% of a HC's responsibility/time...as limited practice time and games make up the other 10%.
That's some of the things college assistants learn over time and what HC's end up learning/improving on at all of their coaching stops...as its not easy "managing" a major college athletic program.
That was the main problem/mistake made when Univ of Houston brought back their "own", Clyde Drexler as Head Coach, who had zero college coaching experience and was totally clueless on how to run/manage a program...which lead to horrible on the court performance, which lead to his dismal after just 2 years (just 7-25 in conf play, 19-39 overall).
If Penny was ever serious of being a future major college program head coach...he would have fought hard to get on someone's college staff years ago.
I'm tired of the Clyde Drexler "example".
Drexler retired from the NBA and then took the Houston job - he hadn't coached at any level - not middle school, AAU, HS, college, NBA, etc. And no one since Guy Lewis has had any measure of real success at Houston either.
I'm not a staunch Penny advocate either, but to compare any former players with Drexler is a big stretch since most have at least done SOMETHING basketball related after their playing days - even Kerr was an announcer.
To make a Drexler-esque hire is to basically hire someone wearing a basketball uniform right now to be the head coach next year.
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RE: Say no to Penny
(02-22-2016 12:12 AM)HometownTiger Wrote: (02-21-2016 09:03 PM)M_Tiger Wrote: (02-20-2016 09:27 PM)Easterwood Wrote: It will not end well
Agree 110%
Based on what? I'm open to reason...but why do we just assume Penny would suck? He might...but how are some of you so sure? Yet, fully confident that a first time D1 HC at the age of 50 with a 19-10 record is a "home run" by some accounts...
FWIW, I think Forbes would be a good hire. But he's still a relative gamble, IMO.
Penny would get players & they would respect him - play hard for him. There's more to it than that, but that's a start...
If I wasn't sold (as the AD) on his commitment, I'd go with Forbes, but I'm not sure that conversation has taken place yet. If so, please enlighten me...
Based on?
If Penny had already spent time as an assistant on a major D1 coaching staff he might be a real candidate. At this point he hasn't, so he should not be a serious contender for the head coach at Memphis. If he wanted to be an assistant, that would be a great hire.
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RE: Say no to Penny
(02-22-2016 09:19 AM)HoopDreams Wrote: (02-22-2016 06:05 AM)KnightLight Wrote: (02-21-2016 02:06 PM)80sTiger Wrote: I'm really concerned that the mundane day-to-day will be a challenge for Penny
Thats 90% of a HC's responsibility/time...as limited practice time and games make up the other 10%.
That's some of the things college assistants learn over time and what HC's end up learning/improving on at all of their coaching stops...as its not easy "managing" a major college athletic program.
That was the main problem/mistake made when Univ of Houston brought back their "own", Clyde Drexler as Head Coach, who had zero college coaching experience and was totally clueless on how to run/manage a program...which lead to horrible on the court performance, which lead to his dismal after just 2 years (just 7-25 in conf play, 19-39 overall).
If Penny was ever serious of being a future major college program head coach...he would have fought hard to get on someone's college staff years ago.
I'm tired of the Clyde Drexler "example".
Drexler retired from the NBA and then took the Houston job - he hadn't coached at any level - not middle school, AAU, HS, college, NBA, etc. And no one since Guy Lewis has had any measure of real success at Houston either.
I'm not a staunch Penny advocate either, but to compare any former players with Drexler is a big stretch since most have at least done SOMETHING basketball related after their playing days - even Kerr was an announcer.
To make a Drexler-esque hire is to basically hire someone wearing a basketball uniform right now to be the head coach next year.
Pat Riley came out of the announcing booth.
So did Doc Rivers
The question of Penny is what Keith said: time management
Will he be prepared ? Will he be at practice on time?
You don't have to be like Pastner and never sleep, but it is still not an 8 to 5 job. Probably an 80 hour a week job instead. Is Penny up to that ? Not sure
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RE: Say no to Penny
My biggest concern is a selfish one, and it's gambling with Penny's legacy.
He's Memphis' golden child right now, loved by everyone. What happens when he gets into this job and struggles? (We may not think it's going to happen, but we're always rolling the dice when we hire a coach). If he isn't a good fit, what does the fanbase do? I'd rather remember him as the NBA player who came back to help the community than a disgraced coach who was fired and reviled by the fans at the end of his tenure.
He'd be replacing a coach with more college coaching experience and who has a harder work ethic, there is definitely no assurances that Penny works out. If he doesn't, what then?
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RE: Say no to Penny
(02-22-2016 09:54 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote: My biggest concern is a selfish one, and it's gambling with Penny's legacy.
He's Memphis' golden child right now, loved by everyone. What happens when he gets into this job and struggles? (We may not think it's going to happen, but we're always rolling the dice when we hire a coach). If he isn't a good fit, what does the fanbase do? I'd rather remember him as the NBA player who came back to help the community than a disgraced coach who was fired and reviled by the fans at the end of his tenure.
He'd be replacing a coach with more college coaching experience and who has a harder work ethic, there is definitely no assurances that Penny works out. If he doesn't, what then?
His legacy will be fine. Larry Finch is still revered.
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RE: Say no to Penny
(02-22-2016 09:54 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote: My biggest concern is a selfish one, and it's gambling with Penny's legacy.
He's Memphis' golden child right now, loved by everyone. What happens when he gets into this job and struggles? (We may not think it's going to happen, but we're always rolling the dice when we hire a coach). If he isn't a good fit, what does the fanbase do? I'd rather remember him as the NBA player who came back to help the community than a disgraced coach who was fired and reviled by the fans at the end of his tenure.
He'd be replacing a coach with more college coaching experience and who has a harder work ethic, there is definitely no assurances that Penny works out. If he doesn't, what then?
I agree, The risks outweigh the rewards.
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RE: Say no to Penny
(02-22-2016 09:55 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote: (02-22-2016 09:54 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote: My biggest concern is a selfish one, and it's gambling with Penny's legacy.
He's Memphis' golden child right now, loved by everyone. What happens when he gets into this job and struggles? (We may not think it's going to happen, but we're always rolling the dice when we hire a coach). If he isn't a good fit, what does the fanbase do? I'd rather remember him as the NBA player who came back to help the community than a disgraced coach who was fired and reviled by the fans at the end of his tenure.
He'd be replacing a coach with more college coaching experience and who has a harder work ethic, there is definitely no assurances that Penny works out. If he doesn't, what then?
His legacy will be fine. Larry Finch is still revered.
Larry Finch is one of the best coaches we've had. I'm worried about if Penny flops. I'd rather remember him as he is now as opposed to what happens if he Larry Porters his way out of here.
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RE: Say no to Penny
(02-22-2016 10:11 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote: (02-22-2016 09:55 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote: (02-22-2016 09:54 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote: My biggest concern is a selfish one, and it's gambling with Penny's legacy.
He's Memphis' golden child right now, loved by everyone. What happens when he gets into this job and struggles? (We may not think it's going to happen, but we're always rolling the dice when we hire a coach). If he isn't a good fit, what does the fanbase do? I'd rather remember him as the NBA player who came back to help the community than a disgraced coach who was fired and reviled by the fans at the end of his tenure.
He'd be replacing a coach with more college coaching experience and who has a harder work ethic, there is definitely no assurances that Penny works out. If he doesn't, what then?
His legacy will be fine. Larry Finch is still revered.
Larry Finch is one of the best coaches we've had. I'm worried about if Penny flops. I'd rather remember him as he is now as opposed to what happens if he Larry Porters his way out of here.
Larry was bashed on the radio more than Josh. Even by Lapides and Wolo. Wonder why?
And Larry had experience in the college ranks as a longtime assistant.
It would be different with Penny. We all know it's a gamble.
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RE: Say no to Penny
(02-22-2016 09:21 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote: (02-22-2016 12:12 AM)HometownTiger Wrote: (02-21-2016 09:03 PM)M_Tiger Wrote: (02-20-2016 09:27 PM)Easterwood Wrote: It will not end well
Agree 110%
Based on what? I'm open to reason...but why do we just assume Penny would suck? He might...but how are some of you so sure? Yet, fully confident that a first time D1 HC at the age of 50 with a 19-10 record is a "home run" by some accounts...
FWIW, I think Forbes would be a good hire. But he's still a relative gamble, IMO.
Penny would get players & they would respect him - play hard for him. There's more to it than that, but that's a start...
If I wasn't sold (as the AD) on his commitment, I'd go with Forbes, but I'm not sure that conversation has taken place yet. If so, please enlighten me...
Based on?
Based on the fact that he's Penny friggin' Hardaway.
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RE: Say no to Penny
(02-22-2016 11:01 AM)HometownTiger Wrote: (02-22-2016 09:21 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote: (02-22-2016 12:12 AM)HometownTiger Wrote: (02-21-2016 09:03 PM)M_Tiger Wrote: (02-20-2016 09:27 PM)Easterwood Wrote: It will not end well
Agree 110%
Based on what? I'm open to reason...but why do we just assume Penny would suck? He might...but how are some of you so sure? Yet, fully confident that a first time D1 HC at the age of 50 with a 19-10 record is a "home run" by some accounts...
FWIW, I think Forbes would be a good hire. But he's still a relative gamble, IMO.
Penny would get players & they would respect him - play hard for him. There's more to it than that, but that's a start...
If I wasn't sold (as the AD) on his commitment, I'd go with Forbes, but I'm not sure that conversation has taken place yet. If so, please enlighten me...
Based on?
Based on the fact that he's Penny friggin' Hardaway.
3 years of middle school coaching
4 years of AAU coaching
1 year of HS coaching
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RE: Say no to Penny
(02-22-2016 11:01 AM)HometownTiger Wrote: (02-22-2016 09:21 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote: (02-22-2016 12:12 AM)HometownTiger Wrote: (02-21-2016 09:03 PM)M_Tiger Wrote: (02-20-2016 09:27 PM)Easterwood Wrote: It will not end well
Agree 110%
Based on what? I'm open to reason...but why do we just assume Penny would suck? He might...but how are some of you so sure? Yet, fully confident that a first time D1 HC at the age of 50 with a 19-10 record is a "home run" by some accounts...
FWIW, I think Forbes would be a good hire. But he's still a relative gamble, IMO.
Penny would get players & they would respect him - play hard for him. There's more to it than that, but that's a start...
If I wasn't sold (as the AD) on his commitment, I'd go with Forbes, but I'm not sure that conversation has taken place yet. If so, please enlighten me...
Based on?
Based on the fact that he's Penny friggin' Hardaway.
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RE: Say no to Penny
(02-22-2016 11:03 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote: (02-22-2016 11:01 AM)HometownTiger Wrote: (02-22-2016 09:21 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote: (02-22-2016 12:12 AM)HometownTiger Wrote: (02-21-2016 09:03 PM)M_Tiger Wrote: Agree 110%
Based on what? I'm open to reason...but why do we just assume Penny would suck? He might...but how are some of you so sure? Yet, fully confident that a first time D1 HC at the age of 50 with a 19-10 record is a "home run" by some accounts...
FWIW, I think Forbes would be a good hire. But he's still a relative gamble, IMO.
Penny would get players & they would respect him - play hard for him. There's more to it than that, but that's a start...
If I wasn't sold (as the AD) on his commitment, I'd go with Forbes, but I'm not sure that conversation has taken place yet. If so, please enlighten me...
Based on?
Based on the fact that he's Penny friggin' Hardaway.
Have you ever spent time around memphis high school/middle school basketball players? Or their parents?
Penny would get players. 100% sure of that.
IMO, those players would play harder for him & respect him - certainly more than they have CJP. Pastner's players were/are not "Pastner guys" outside of a handful...
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RE: Say no to Penny
(02-22-2016 11:03 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote: (02-22-2016 11:01 AM)HometownTiger Wrote: (02-22-2016 09:21 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote: (02-22-2016 12:12 AM)HometownTiger Wrote: (02-21-2016 09:03 PM)M_Tiger Wrote: Agree 110%
Based on what? I'm open to reason...but why do we just assume Penny would suck? He might...but how are some of you so sure? Yet, fully confident that a first time D1 HC at the age of 50 with a 19-10 record is a "home run" by some accounts...
FWIW, I think Forbes would be a good hire. But he's still a relative gamble, IMO.
Penny would get players & they would respect him - play hard for him. There's more to it than that, but that's a start...
If I wasn't sold (as the AD) on his commitment, I'd go with Forbes, but I'm not sure that conversation has taken place yet. If so, please enlighten me...
Based on?
Based on the fact that he's Penny friggin' Hardaway.
Ya, I am not sure some realize that kids coming into college were not even born yet for the majority of Penny's prominent years in the NBA. He is name carries much more weight in the Memphis area than it does nationally to high school kids...
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RE: Say no to Penny
(02-22-2016 11:06 AM)HometownTiger Wrote: (02-22-2016 11:03 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote: (02-22-2016 11:01 AM)HometownTiger Wrote: (02-22-2016 09:21 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote: (02-22-2016 12:12 AM)HometownTiger Wrote: Based on what? I'm open to reason...but why do we just assume Penny would suck? He might...but how are some of you so sure? Yet, fully confident that a first time D1 HC at the age of 50 with a 19-10 record is a "home run" by some accounts...
FWIW, I think Forbes would be a good hire. But he's still a relative gamble, IMO.
Penny would get players & they would respect him - play hard for him. There's more to it than that, but that's a start...
If I wasn't sold (as the AD) on his commitment, I'd go with Forbes, but I'm not sure that conversation has taken place yet. If so, please enlighten me...
Based on?
Based on the fact that he's Penny friggin' Hardaway.
Have you ever spent time around memphis high school/middle school basketball players? Or their parents?
Penny would get players. 100% sure of that.
IMO, those players would play harder for him & respect him - certainly more than they have CJP. Pastner's players were/are not "Pastner guys" outside of a handful...
We need a national recruiting base, not just a team made up of local kids.
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RE: Say no to Penny
(02-22-2016 11:12 AM)Tygrys Wrote: (02-22-2016 11:06 AM)HometownTiger Wrote: (02-22-2016 11:03 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote: (02-22-2016 11:01 AM)HometownTiger Wrote: (02-22-2016 09:21 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote: Based on?
Based on the fact that he's Penny friggin' Hardaway.
Have you ever spent time around memphis high school/middle school basketball players? Or their parents?
Penny would get players. 100% sure of that.
IMO, those players would play harder for him & respect him - certainly more than they have CJP. Pastner's players were/are not "Pastner guys" outside of a handful...
We need a national recruiting base, not just a team made up of local kids.
I don't disagree, necessarily. Kids across the country know Penny too though.
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RE: Say no to Penny
As conjecture, why not Penny? If the school wants to interview him, he shows his interest and is willing to commit 110% to bringing the basketball team back to the prominence it became in the early 70's, fine. At the end of the day, it's up to Rudd and Bowen.
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