(02-20-2016 10:44 PM)TruthBomb Wrote:  Pastner was never a coach. He was a kid that had ocd and loved to text , call , email etc to show how much he could contact some one more than the other guy. He never studied game strategy, situations, game play. He 'knows' basketball but he doesn't understand it. He's about building relationships. Not attacking zones.


He should realize his place.

Spot on

(02-21-2016 12:55 AM)Smith Wrote:  I doubt that Penny is a serious candidate. I like Penny a lot, but I can't believe anybody would hire him as the head coach. What are Forbes' qualifications?

You know those big $ boosters that gave Pastner that redick contract, well there is plenty of big $$ wanting Penny.

Pseudo ADs galore.

Will this administration stand up to them this time? I hope so.

(02-21-2016 09:15 AM)poppaslaw Wrote:  

(02-21-2016 12:55 AM)Smith Wrote:  I doubt that Penny is a serious candidate. I like Penny a lot, but I can't believe anybody would hire him as the head coach. What are Forbes' qualifications?

You know those big $ boosters that gave Pastner that redick contract, well there is plenty of big $$ wanting Penny.

Pseudo ADs galore.

Will this administration stand up to them this time? I hope so.

Well we will find out just how many stones Rudd and Bowen have in the coming weeks.

I don't think Penny will be hired. Sooner or later, both he and the university would regret it. He is a beloved and respected icon of the Tiger family - I want to keep it that way.

My take on Penny is this. If it was a choice between Penny and Damon,, give me Penny all day eight days a week. Damon will not get me to renew my seats. Now if the choice is between Penny and Forbes, I want Forbes. If it's between Penny and B. Underwood, give me a Brad Underwood. Clearly I would prefer Archie Miller, Bruce Pearl, Gregg Marshall. Please tell me we are going to talk with and pursue more coaches than just Penny and Damon. I fully respect Keth Easterwood's thought on this issue. I have met Keith a few times and view him very knowledgeable about hoops. There are lots of great coaches out there that could be had and would do very well here. But again if the choice was just between Damon and Penny, and surly it wouldn't be,, give me Penny. Cause I don't want Damon. Damon won't excite the fans to come back. We have already done the hiring of the assistant. Let's get a proven head coach.

(02-21-2016 12:00 PM)Maybe_YesSir Wrote:  My take on Penny is this. If it was a choice between Penny and Damon,, give me Penny all day eight days a week. Damon will not get me to renew my seats. Now if the choice is between Penny and Forbes, I want Forbes. If it's between Penny and B. Underwood, give me a Brad Underwood. Clearly I would prefer Archie Miller, Bruce Pearl, Gregg Marshall. Please tell me we are going to talk with and pursue more coaches than just Penny and Damon. I fully respect Keth Easterwood's thought on this issue. I have met Keith a few times and view him very knowledgeable about hoops. There are lots of great coaches out there that could be had and would do very well here. But again if the choice was just between Damon and Penny, and surly it wouldn't be,, give me Penny. Cause I don't want Damon. Damon won't excite the fans to come back. We have already done the hiring of the assistant. Let's get a proven head coach.

Agree. Proven head coach is first option. I think Penny should be interviewed and considered. I think by nature of being one of the greatest to have ever donned a Tigers uniform--he deserves this. I wouldn't make this argument for Keith Lee. Not to dog out Keith. Because he needs a statue. But Penny is still a huge name nationally and would recruit. He is smart---articulate--he is Memphis. But after reading everyone's arguments I agree. If he truly wants to be a head coach...he really needs to spend a few years on the bench as as assistant. If nothing else to prove that this is a burning desire on his part to a head coach. Not just a passing "hey I could do that" moment.

(02-20-2016 09:46 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  Brad Underwood just keeps winning...he could do the same here...

Unfortunately he's a KSU alum and former assistant. Weber is likely gonzo and B-rad is on their radar.

(02-21-2016 12:23 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-20-2016 09:46 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  Brad Underwood just keeps winning...he could do the same here...

Unfortunately he's a KSU alum and former assistant. Weber is likely gonzo and B-rad is on their radar.

Ive heard the same.

I'm really concerned that the mundane day-to-day will be a challenge for Penny

(02-21-2016 02:06 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  I'm really concerned that the mundane day-to-day will be a challenge for Penny

If Penny has "caught the coaching bug" as he states i don't think running practices is going to be that big of an issue.

Recruiting local talent probably will not be an issue at all either. Now do I see penny kissing players asses across the US to get national talent, NOPE, but who knows.

(02-20-2016 09:30 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  I agree. I cringe thinking of how it will go.

Same here. Penny was a great player but that does not always (usually, actually) translate into a great coach. We do not want to sour our ties to him.

(02-21-2016 09:10 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(02-20-2016 10:44 PM)TruthBomb Wrote:  Pastner was never a coach. He was a kid that had ocd and loved to text , call , email etc to show how much he could contact some one more than the other guy. He never studied game strategy, situations, game play. He 'knows' basketball but he doesn't understand it. He's about building relationships. Not attacking zones.


He should realize his place.

Spot on

Agree. Best synopsis I've seen regarding Pastner's coaching issues.

I refuse to discount Penny. As a Memphis legend, he merits a listen. Period. He's earned that and he is universally beloved.

Having said that, if he fails, I won't be able to handle it. I can't have the JP conversation about Penny. Nevermind the other issue of not being a coach at the NCAA level.

I like Damon, I respect Underwood, and the other candidates that we will interview.
But like and respect means you fire someone if it doesn't work.

Firing a legend is always a nightmare.

They can give it to Penny, and I'll line up behind.

But it sure better work.

If Penny is committed and has a plan, thats my guy. Assuming the big names say no

(02-21-2016 04:55 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  I refuse to discount Penny. As a Memphis legend, he merits a listen. Period. He's earned that and he is universally beloved.

Having said that, if he fails, I won't be able to handle it. I can't have the JP conversation about Penny. Nevermind the other issue of not being a coach at the NCAA level.

I like Damon, I respect Underwood, and the other candidates that we will interview.
But like and respect means you fire someone if it doesn't work.

Firing a legend is always a nightmare.

They can give it to Penny, and I'll line up behind.

But it sure better work.

He merits all of the love and admiration he has been given by Memphis fans for last 25 years. He has done nothing that merits him being taken seriously as a candidate for the head coaching job...

(02-20-2016 09:27 PM)Easterwood Wrote:  It will not end well

Agree 110%

(02-20-2016 09:39 PM)Easterwood Wrote:  Most proven head coaches came up through the ranks

Honed their craft

Understand being organized and on time

Understand how to lay out a recruiting plan

Where to be , who to watch

Media

Boosters

Fans

The office

He ain't ready for all that it entails

Not my call

Just my thoughts

His AAU team don't even ge the best in Memphis

No college coach thinks it's a good idea

Couldn't agree more

IF we get out from under the $10.6M budget anchor, then we have money to go after an experienced, solid, low-risk coach.

If our budget is constrained, I think Penny is a legit candidate. Not ready to slam his theoretical lack of work ethic quite yet.

(02-21-2016 09:46 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  IF we get out from under the $10.6M budget anchor, then we have money to go after an experienced, solid, low-risk coach.

If our budget is constrained, I think Penny is a legit candidate. Not ready to slam his theoretical lack of work ethic quite yet.

Work ethic is far from one my biggest concerns about Penny. By all accounts, JP has great work ethic...

(02-21-2016 10:27 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(02-21-2016 09:46 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  IF we get out from under the $10.6M budget anchor, then we have money to go after an experienced, solid, low-risk coach.

If our budget is constrained, I think Penny is a legit candidate. Not ready to slam his theoretical lack of work ethic quite yet.

Work ethic is far from one my biggest concerns about Penny. By all accounts, JP has great work ethic...

I guess you weren't here for the last 3 tommy west years and his secret recruiting strategy then.

It takes all facets to be successful, not just 1 or 2.