I liked it. It was all rushed after season 4, but I'm ok with it. It was understandable once they ran out of GRRM material.

Arya and Jon are ready for their spinoff, if they want it. I'm thinking 5 years from now when Maisie's phone isn't ringing, she'll do it. Jon and Tormund ranging North of the wall would also be good.

Whoever called Jon killing Dany and going to the Night's Watch, was spot on! Good call! Like Jon said, "There's still a Night's Watch?"

(05-20-2019 01:31 PM)USM@FTL Wrote:  I liked it. It was all rushed after season 4, but I'm ok with it. It was understandable once they ran out of GRRM material.

Arya and Jon are ready for their spinoff, if they want it. I'm thinking 5 years from now when Maisie's phone isn't ringing, she'll do it. Jon and Tormund ranging North of the wall would also be good.

Whoever called Jon killing Dany and going to the Night's Watch, was spot on! Good call! Like Jon said, "There's still a Night's Watch?"

I think Jon's reaction of confusion on why it's needed for castaways or whatever and him getting there and just rolling out to me seems just a easy story for Grey Worm to tell the Unsullied something plausible and everyone to just part ways, knowing damn well it wasn't a sentence at all. Grey Worms facial expressions after demanding justice didn't seem all that full of convection. He knew what Danny did was insane but he's a soldier following orders, period - as we were led to believe the Unsullied would do unwaveringly all series.

The idea of a story they tell everyone really is about as neat a way to wrap that up as possible. It did seem to fizzle out greatly right at the dragon flying away scene. But I didn't expect much more. The first 20 minutes was pretty awesome though. Some great tension and suspense. Soon as Jon stabbed her you knew it was over but how did the story play out? Well, the story is just that. A story. So kind of cool to have them all just weave a new story to tell everyone. Some fun dialogue at the small council to end things there. It felt a little hokey at times, almost like that last scene of Star Wars where they're all looking at each other.

I liked it.

But then in echoing my statements earlier in the thread....

I can live in a world where I feel it is the best show I've ever seen and still feel like it could have been better at the end.

I liked the final episode. I've never understood all these whiners who complained about this season. They act as though having six hundred story lines running at one time would work as everything came together for the final battles. The entire series was about a multitude of layers, characters, and landscapes all coming together in the end for a final battle. As the field of characters and locations narrowed we were reduced to two sides fighting it out in the end. It was natural that the storylines would narrow accordingly. From my perspective, everything came together well.

Jon riding off north of the wall with the true northerners and a slight grin on his face left me with the feeling that he was not going back to the wall. He was free.

I would like to have seen Dany as the mad queen for a multiple-episode arc before she got got. But I also came in to the show very late so my emotional investments are wildly different from those of a plank owner's.

How does HBO keep people interested in the next GoT project?

(05-20-2019 06:40 PM)CameramanJ Wrote:  How does HBO keep people interested in the next GoT project?

Have game of thrones in the name.

(05-20-2019 06:23 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  I would like to have seen Dany as the mad queen for a multiple-episode arc before she got got. But I also came in to the show very late so my emotional investments are wildly different from those of a plank owner's.

Im curious about that as well. It seemed her vision of how the kingdom would be ruled would be far more attractive than the road she was willing to travel to get there. The US literally fire bombed cities (Dresden, Tokyo, etc) along with dropping a pair of nukes in order to end WWII (both were considered ways of shortening the war or preventing the need to an invasion that would have killed even more). I suspect children and innocents were burned alive in those US bombing raids. Were Truman and FDR "Mad Presidents"? I doubt anyone thinks that. To me, it was never really established that she couldnt rule in a way that would create a better world. Hell, she continued to state that was her intention right up until she was killed. Nobody ever bothered to ask what her vision would would look like. It just seems like maybe that was a question worth asking before killing her.

(05-20-2019 06:42 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(05-20-2019 06:23 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  I would like to have seen Dany as the mad queen for a multiple-episode arc before she got got. But I also came in to the show very late so my emotional investments are wildly different from those of a plank owner's.

Im curious about that as well. It seemed her vision of how the kingdom would be ruled would be far more attractive than the road she was willing to travel to get there. The US literally fire bombed cities (Dresden, Tokyo, etc) along with dropping a pair of nukes in order to end WWII (both were considered ways of shortening the war or preventing the need to an invasion that would have killed even more). I suspect children and innocents were burned alive in those US bombing raids. Were Truman and FDR "Mad Presidents"? I doubt anyone thinks that. To me, it was never really established that she couldnt rule in a way that would create a better world. Hell, she continued to state that was her intention right up until she was killed. Nobody ever bothered to ask what her vision would would look like. It just seems like maybe that was a question worth asking before killing her.

I think it was the "little mercies" line that fixed it for Jon. At the point where she'd won, do we really have to kill more people? Once he saw that she was never going to be satisfied or even take a break and people were going to die everywhere till she had undone everything, he knew that couldn't be. Once Japan surrendered we didn't keep killing and destroying it. That would have been a mad President. Same with Germany, though they did hunt down nasty war criminals.

I was satisfied with the ending. I feel like it's over and I got closure on what was important to me. I feel like it ended the way it did because it had to end that way. And that's ok with me.

I think it setup for spinoffs. I'm still having Dany withdrawals. Jon Snow and Tormund Giantsbane ranging North of the Wall forever. Arya sailing West. Sansa ruling the North. Bran ruling the 6 kingdoms. Tyrion surviving and running King's Landing. Just a really great story.

(05-20-2019 06:20 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  I liked the final episode. I've never understood all these whiners who complained about this season. They act as though having six hundred story lines running at one time would work as everything came together for the final battles. The entire series was about a multitude of layers, characters, and landscapes all coming together in the end for a final battle. As the field of characters and locations narrowed we were reduced to two sides fighting it out in the end. It was natural that the storylines would narrow accordingly. From my perspective, everything came together well.

Jon riding off north of the wall with the true northerners and a slight grin on his face left me with the feeling that he was not going back to the wall. He was free.

The major plot points were fine, though there was some really stupid writing in spots (Euron fighting Jaime, Rhaegal dying how he did, the unsullied and dothraki multiplying every episode since episode 3, etc etc.) Much of this dumb inconsistent writing could've easily been avoided.

It's really the fact they heavily rushed the final two seasons and it showed. There's a reason a ton of people are complaining. It simply didn't feel organic because the writers were over it years ago and wanted it done.

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(05-20-2019 06:20 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  I liked the final episode. I've never understood all these whiners who complained about this season. They act as though having six hundred story lines running at one time would work as everything came together for the final battles. The entire series was about a multitude of layers, characters, and landscapes all coming together in the end for a final battle. As the field of characters and locations narrowed we were reduced to two sides fighting it out in the end. It was natural that the storylines would narrow accordingly. From my perspective, everything came together well.

Jon riding off north of the wall with the true northerners and a slight grin on his face left me with the feeling that he was not going back to the wall. He was free.

This is good analysis. As the story comes to a close the field has to narrow. Even as much as it did the epilogue of the final episode was still like 45 minutes lol.

Yep. It wasn't terrible. It was just way too rushed. Dany losing her advisors and feeling like everyone was turning on her was ample motivation for her descent into madness, but the way it played out was not great. Her flipping out on the innocent people wasn't well done. Her lack of remorse afterwards wasn't well done.
Choosing a king wasn't well done. Bran is kind of a dick head if he knew what was going to happen and did nothing to stop it. Also if Sansa can just peace out of the 7 kingdoms, why wouldn't the others just say yeah I want that deal. Fuckface that wanted to be king certainly would jump at the chance to rule his own land. Yara wouldn't just jump in either. By that point they would all decide to be independent.
Grey Worm basically ruling in stead of Dany after she was gone made no sense. Drogon flying off after burning the throne was weird.
Tyrions speech about a good story seemed out of place and poorly executed (not by the actor, but the writing)
The small council had some strange choices, but it was at least a fun moment. Seemed like too much of a happy ending for the show and particularly after the last few episodes.

I was fine with the finale. The season seemed to stumble its way there but it ended in a way I thought was fine.

Originally, hearing Jon's "life sentence" I felt bad for him, but once I saw the unsullied sail off to Naath, I realized they spared his life. How will Grey Worm regulate this? Send an unsullied spy up North to keep tabs on him? It seemed that Grey Worm was tired of all the bs and wanted to leave, not really caring for much of anything anymore. Jon also seems like he would much rather live North of the wall rather than anywhere else, especially at King's landing.

Sansa's ending felt very organic, the people of the North love her and she gave them independence so outside influence wouldn't affect them (for now). She got what she always wanted, to be a Queen.

Arya's ending felt a little off the deep end, but after some thought there really wasn't much for her in the North. She is not the type to sit and do nothing up there, she is an assassin and adventurer. It makes sense, and totally calls for a spin-off if they were so inclined to do so.

Bran's coronation felt a little strange to me, and in reality the council should've have taken time to figure out, not a few minutes, but I know it happened because the show. I was half expecting Tyrion to call out Jon Snow but after Yara and other voiced their displeasure, there was no way they would have come to that decision.

Tyrion ended up winning the most in the end. Bran may be king, but Tyrion is running the place. I liked the banter with the council at the end of the show, it was a nice touch. I did however, feel like Varys would've fit in perfectly there, and got sad for him when Bran mentioned he was missing a few masters, including a Master of Whispers.

When the final credits rolled, I didn't feel upset like the rest of the internet did, I felt closure and was bummed out that after all these years it was finally over. It made me think back to all the years and all the episodes I watched, and made me want to watch them all again. I'm very happy I got to experience the show in real time, and that I got in relatively early on. Was this season rushed? Sure. Did it seem like D&D were done and wanted the show to end? Of course. But I love the show as a whole and will miss it and the discussions I had throughout the years. On to the next one!

https://www.facebook.com/callum.martin.1...276307791/

Solid Homestar Runner reference.

Rotten Tomatoes lists a dismal 36% audience score for the final GOT season.

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/game-of-thrones/s08

Agree with others that the last couple of seasons felt rushed.

But overall I liked the finale.

Loved the shot of Tyrian walking past the cracked bell in the beginning. Loved the shot of of Dany with the dragon wings unfolding behind her. Just iconic. Love the melting of the iron throne.

I think it will be debated for decades whether Bran was actually manipulating all of this to put himself into the crown. How many chances did he have to intervene in a way that would have changed the course of events?

Happiest ending possible for Jon Snow. He will live in the north and settle down with a wildling woman and have children.

(05-21-2019 04:30 PM)bit_9 Wrote:  https://www.facebook.com/callum.martin.1...276307791/

Solid Homestar Runner reference.

The Mountain tried to warn Cersei of what was to come:

We all have our own interpretations. When has a show ever captivated us like this? The fact that the "hangover" is so large is impressive!

Those who were disappointed should really read the books. They'll give you the detail you seek. GRRM hinted recently about Winds of Winter possibly due by 2020. Also, ya'll know about quartermaester.info, right? Whoever did that is nuts.

Episode 3, The Long Night was perhaps the greatest episode of television ever produced.

That documentary about the making of the last season coming up this weekend should be neat.

I just now saw the finale.

I liked it.