(02-12-2016 05:59 PM)JSA Wrote:  UH has a brand new stadium, and they're opening at NRG .

True. Also its not like playing at home vs NRG is make or break for Rice. Turnout may be a little less at NRG, but we are all but guaranteed to lose big regardless.

I don't see any downside at this time.

(02-12-2016 05:59 PM)JSA Wrote:  UH has a brand new stadium, and they're opening at NRG .

Apples and oranges.

That's the Advocare Kickoff game, nationally televised in prime time vs. OU. There was never an option for that game to be at TDECU.

If Rice ever got invited to this game, we'd all be doing cartwheels.

(02-12-2016 06:51 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 05:59 PM)JSA Wrote:  UH has a brand new stadium, and they're opening at NRG .

Apples and oranges.

That's the Advocare Kickoff game, nationally televised in prime time vs. OU. There was never an option for that game to be at TDECU.

If Rice ever got invited to this game, we'd all be doing cartwheels.

It was just like us playing UT when they scheduled it...

EDIT: they were coming off of an 8-5 year when it was scheduled. And had another 8-5 year in 2014. They were scheduled to lose to OU and get paid.

The Advocare sponsors wouldn't intentionally schedule a body bag game. What possible benefit would it have for them?

I still think it's an apples to oranges comparison.

I'm a little surprised no one mentioned this, but JK quote from his latest podcast, regarding the game against UT at NRG:

Quote:We're gonna keep the lion's share of the gate for that game. We're gonna own the television rights for that game, which is really big for us.

(02-25-2016 11:55 AM)mrbig Wrote:  I'm a little surprised no one mentioned this, but JK quote from his latest podcast, regarding the game against UT at NRG:

Quote:We're gonna keep the lion's share of the gate for that game. We're gonna own the television rights for that game, which is really big for us.

This point was made by JK in his State of Athletics address. There is an increased effort to make our 4 OOC games each year with teams that have national or above average regional interest AND for Rice to own the TV rights to any of those games held at HRS or NRG (which apparently UT fought but finally agreed to). This money will help mitigate the coming CUSA TV revenue trainwreck plus if we carry a 3-5 year schedule of "quality" TV game rights it adds something to our desirability to other conferences. He emphasized games against UT, Baylor, Stanford, and the Service Academies as examples.

Someone remind me how we make money from selling the TV rights. I've never heard of us doing this before. It sounds like a very shrewd move. I like it. Do we sell the rights to whomever decides to televise the game? How much money could that bring in? I'm guessing a couple hundred thousand dollars for a Texas game? Would the network pay us directly? How does it affect our CUSA TV contract? Wouldn't the conference get a cut? It can't be simple. Thank God we hired Karlgaard.

My understanding is generally there is a three-tiered approach:

1. Conference package sold to highest bidder (i.e. ESPN, Fox, etc). All rights fees go to the conference to be split among the members;

2. Secondary conference games sold on a spot and/or regional basis (i.e. after ESPN chooses its game, for example, a regional carrier (Fox SW) can choose its game (generally early in the week preceding the week of the game). This game cannot conflict with time of the game for the main conference package and all rights fees are owned by the Conference (and split among the members).

3. Tertiary rights (read Longhorn Network and its equivalents) are available once the conference package and the regional selection are determined. These rights generally belong to the schools in question (and primarily to the home team). The proceeds go to the rights holder (i.e. home team or split between the teams as agreed in the game contract). Hence the ownership of the rights to non-conference games is of significant value (especially if the game is of national and/or significant regional interest).

I wonder if Netflix or Amazon Prime might be interested in a game? That would be pretty groundbreaking if we could be the first live game either of those networks ever broadcast?

(02-26-2016 06:37 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  I wonder if Netflix or Amazon Prime might be interested in a game? That would be pretty groundbreaking if we could be the first live game either of those networks ever broadcast?

Or HGTV.

Hell for that matter we were the first live game the Longhorn Network broadcast.

(02-12-2016 07:13 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 06:51 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 05:59 PM)JSA Wrote:  UH has a brand new stadium, and they're opening at NRG .

Apples and oranges.

That's the Advocare Kickoff game, nationally televised in prime time vs. OU. There was never an option for that game to be at TDECU.

If Rice ever got invited to this game, we'd all be doing cartwheels.

It was just like us playing UT when they scheduled it...

EDIT: they were coming off of an 8-5 year when it was scheduled. And had another 8-5 year in 2014. They were scheduled to lose to OU and get paid.

UH-OU has been the 2016 Advocare Kickoff game since it was scheduled. While neither team was expected to be as good as they looked last season, both had promising QBs (John O'Korn and Trevor Knight, both of whom left their respective teams) that would be going into their Senior year. While it looked to be a solid OU win, you wouldn't have been predicting the world's biggest upset if you said UH would win.

Also, a key difference between UH-OU and Rice-Texas is that UH-OU is a home-and-home.

(02-26-2016 09:58 PM)owl at the moon Wrote:  

(02-26-2016 06:37 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  I wonder if Netflix or Amazon Prime might be interested in a game? That would be pretty groundbreaking if we could be the first live game either of those networks ever broadcast?

Or HGTV.

Hell for that matter we were the first live game the Longhorn Network broadcast.

AND WE WON thefirstquarter

(02-27-2016 04:00 PM)T-Moar Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 07:13 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 06:51 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 05:59 PM)JSA Wrote:  UH has a brand new stadium, and they're opening at NRG .

Apples and oranges.

That's the Advocare Kickoff game, nationally televised in prime time vs. OU. There was never an option for that game to be at TDECU.

If Rice ever got invited to this game, we'd all be doing cartwheels.

It was just like us playing UT when they scheduled it...

EDIT: they were coming off of an 8-5 year when it was scheduled. And had another 8-5 year in 2014. They were scheduled to lose to OU and get paid.

UH-OU has been the 2016 Advocare Kickoff game since it was scheduled. While neither team was expected to be as good as they looked last season, both had promising QBs (John O'Korn and Trevor Knight, both of whom left their respective teams) that would be going into their Senior year. While it looked to be a solid OU win, you wouldn't have been predicting the world's biggest upset if you said UH would win.

Also, a key difference between UH-OU and Rice-Texas is that UH-OU is a home-and-home.

UH will be in the national playoff next year if they beat OU and run the table.

I have been saying since the playoff format was announced that we'll have at least one G5 sneak in. Cougars may have a shot.

(02-26-2016 05:30 PM)Houston Owl Wrote:  My understanding is generally there is a three-tiered approach:

1. Conference package sold to highest bidder (i.e. ESPN, Fox, etc). All rights fees go to the conference to be split among the members;

2. Secondary conference games sold on a spot and/or regional basis (i.e. after ESPN chooses its game, for example, a regional carrier (Fox SW) can choose its game (generally early in the week preceding the week of the game). This game cannot conflict with time of the game for the main conference package and all rights fees are owned by the Conference (and split among the members).

3. Tertiary rights (read Longhorn Network and its equivalents) are available once the conference package and the regional selection are determined. These rights generally belong to the schools in question (and primarily to the home team). The proceeds go to the rights holder (i.e. home team or split between the teams as agreed in the game contract). Hence the ownership of the rights to non-conference games is of significant value (especially if the game is of national and/or significant regional interest).

It sounds like a crap shoot. Are we hoping the game is Tier 3 so we can hold the rights?

They wil not beat OU. Everyone knows what to expect from UH now.

(02-27-2016 06:22 PM)owl at the moon Wrote:  

(02-27-2016 04:00 PM)T-Moar Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 07:13 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 06:51 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 05:59 PM)JSA Wrote:  UH has a brand new stadium, and they're opening at NRG .

Apples and oranges.

That's the Advocare Kickoff game, nationally televised in prime time vs. OU. There was never an option for that game to be at TDECU.

If Rice ever got invited to this game, we'd all be doing cartwheels.

It was just like us playing UT when they scheduled it...

EDIT: they were coming off of an 8-5 year when it was scheduled. And had another 8-5 year in 2014. They were scheduled to lose to OU and get paid.

UH-OU has been the 2016 Advocare Kickoff game since it was scheduled. While neither team was expected to be as good as they looked last season, both had promising QBs (John O'Korn and Trevor Knight, both of whom left their respective teams) that would be going into their Senior year. While it looked to be a solid OU win, you wouldn't have been predicting the world's biggest upset if you said UH would win.

Also, a key difference between UH-OU and Rice-Texas is that UH-OU is a home-and-home.

UH will be in the national playoff next year if they beat OU and run the table.

I have been saying since the playoff format was announced that we'll have at least one G5 sneak in. Cougars may have a shot.

(02-27-2016 07:36 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  

(02-26-2016 05:30 PM)Houston Owl Wrote:  My understanding is generally there is a three-tiered approach:

1. Conference package sold to highest bidder (i.e. ESPN, Fox, etc). All rights fees go to the conference to be split among the members;

2. Secondary conference games sold on a spot and/or regional basis (i.e. after ESPN chooses its game, for example, a regional carrier (Fox SW) can choose its game (generally early in the week preceding the week of the game). This game cannot conflict with time of the game for the main conference package and all rights fees are owned by the Conference (and split among the members).

3. Tertiary rights (read Longhorn Network and its equivalents) are available once the conference package and the regional selection are determined. These rights generally belong to the schools in question (and primarily to the home team). The proceeds go to the rights holder (i.e. home team or split between the teams as agreed in the game contract). Hence the ownership of the rights to non-conference games is of significant value (especially if the game is of national and/or significant regional interest).

It sounds like a crap shoot. Are we hoping the game is Tier 3 so we can hold the rights?

Tier 1 and Tier 2 are conference games.
So if it remains an OOC game, then it will be Tier 3.

(02-27-2016 09:44 PM)owl at the moon Wrote:  

(02-27-2016 07:36 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  

(02-26-2016 05:30 PM)Houston Owl Wrote:  My understanding is generally there is a three-tiered approach:

1. Conference package sold to highest bidder (i.e. ESPN, Fox, etc). All rights fees go to the conference to be split among the members;

2. Secondary conference games sold on a spot and/or regional basis (i.e. after ESPN chooses its game, for example, a regional carrier (Fox SW) can choose its game (generally early in the week preceding the week of the game). This game cannot conflict with time of the game for the main conference package and all rights fees are owned by the Conference (and split among the members).

3. Tertiary rights (read Longhorn Network and its equivalents) are available once the conference package and the regional selection are determined. These rights generally belong to the schools in question (and primarily to the home team). The proceeds go to the rights holder (i.e. home team or split between the teams as agreed in the game contract). Hence the ownership of the rights to non-conference games is of significant value (especially if the game is of national and/or significant regional interest).

It sounds like a crap shoot. Are we hoping the game is Tier 3 so we can hold the rights?

Tier 1 and Tier 2 are conference games.
So if it remains an OOC game, then it will be Tier 3.

Then I hope it's not Tier 3.

(02-28-2016 11:15 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(02-27-2016 09:44 PM)owl at the moon Wrote:  

(02-27-2016 07:36 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  

(02-26-2016 05:30 PM)Houston Owl Wrote:  My understanding is generally there is a three-tiered approach:

1. Conference package sold to highest bidder (i.e. ESPN, Fox, etc). All rights fees go to the conference to be split among the members;

2. Secondary conference games sold on a spot and/or regional basis (i.e. after ESPN chooses its game, for example, a regional carrier (Fox SW) can choose its game (generally early in the week preceding the week of the game). This game cannot conflict with time of the game for the main conference package and all rights fees are owned by the Conference (and split among the members).

3. Tertiary rights (read Longhorn Network and its equivalents) are available once the conference package and the regional selection are determined. These rights generally belong to the schools in question (and primarily to the home team). The proceeds go to the rights holder (i.e. home team or split between the teams as agreed in the game contract). Hence the ownership of the rights to non-conference games is of significant value (especially if the game is of national and/or significant regional interest).

It sounds like a crap shoot. Are we hoping the game is Tier 3 so we can hold the rights?

Tier 1 and Tier 2 are conference games.
So if it remains an OOC game, then it will be Tier 3.

Then I hope it's not Tier 3.

Me too!
Top 5 scenarios for that to occur:

I. Rice & UT (along with KU and OU) to the B1G
II. Rice & UT to PAC
III. Rice To B12 (along with 1-5 others)
IV. 16-24 like minded top academic institutions form new conference (possibly splitting from NCAA or at least going separate ways from SEC)
V. UT, Rice, BYU, and Washington State to the MWC (ok maybe UTEP/Rice/BYU/Idaho is more likely there..)