(02-03-2016 08:39 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  FYI- The class rankings on 247 aren't final. Over the next few days the 247 staff will be going through all lists and rating any player that doesn't have a 247 grade.

We have five guys not rated with two being three stars on other sites I know for sure. We might move up a few spots.

(02-04-2016 09:57 AM)GSUhooligan Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 09:27 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  That was an excellent article about this years recruiting,

As far as 247, IMO here is a better way of ranking a class based on the average player ranking:

Arkansas State-----------79.33
Georgia Southern--------78.74
Troy-----------------------78.57
South Alabama-----------78.39
Texas State--------------78.14
Louisiana-Lafayette------77.56
Appalachian State-------77.47
Louisiana-Monroe-------76.12
Georgia State-----------75.61
New Mexico State------75.57
Idaho--------------------75.33

The above rankings, and they will be changing over the next few weeks, do not include A-States high profile transfers, or another transfer who are already on campus, so I expect there would be a greater separation if they were included.

Another plus for A-State is almost all of their highly rated newbies are already on campus. That is not the case with several of these classes, and we will have to wait and just see how real they are.

One other plus for A-State is based on rankings, they have their best group of red-shirts ever to throw into the mix. Not a bad situation when they return most of the players who contributed to their championship run this past year.

We've got five unrated guys dragging our average down, two or three of which will be .80+ 3 stars. If you just take the average of the guys currently rated, our average is 80.72.

We also have a very highly rated transfer that doesn't count for our class that would highly impact our average.

We also red-shirted a bunch of our guys from a great class last year.

No doubt that when all is said and done GaSo could have the best class, because of quantity and quality. Excellent class.

That does not change the fact that there is no chance any SBC school will match the talent A-State has gathered up for next year, but many are not a part of this class years rankings, and in fact a few should be part of the 2017 class.

(02-04-2016 09:55 AM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 09:27 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  The above rankings, and they will be changing over the next few weeks, do not include A-States high profile transfers, or another transfer who are already on campus, so I expect there would be a greater separation if they were included.

Transfers typically aren't added in these figures. You can't add players with values from different years because you are looking at different bell curves. We have a 4* LB being added to the roster this year, but added him to our current total is incorrect.

We will see if A-state can continue creating mutants. I think over the next few years you are going to see a lot the new teams keep pushing ULL and a-state for top dog. You already are seeing App and GS competing and winning. I also see Troy, USA, and TXST (if they get/have the right coach) getting better too.

(02-04-2016 09:27 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  That was an excellent article about this years recruiting,

As far as 247, IMO here is a better way of ranking a class based on the average player ranking:

Arkansas State-----------79.33
Georgia Southern--------78.74
Troy-----------------------78.57
South Alabama-----------78.39
Texas State--------------78.14
Louisiana-Lafayette------77.56
Appalachian State-------77.47
Louisiana-Monroe-------76.12
Georgia State-----------75.61
New Mexico State------75.57
Idaho--------------------75.33

The above rankings, and they will be changing over the next few weeks, do not include A-States high profile transfers, or another transfer who are already on campus, so I expect there would be a greater separation if they were included.

Another plus for A-State is almost all of their highly rated newbies are already on campus. That is not the case with several of these classes, and we will have to wait and just see how real they are.

One other plus for A-State is based on rankings, they have their best group of red-shirts ever to throw into the mix. Not a bad situation when they return most of the players who contributed to their championship run this past year.

We have five guys with no rating our recruit avg will go way up since two are three stars on other sites. Only one ArkSt player is not rated....lil soon seminole. We will be highest in in avg and points most likely. Either way I will take 14 three stars over 6 in any normal class.

ArkSt has been towards the top half in recruiting but has not finished first since 2012 I am sure the other teams that have been towards the top will compete just fine against ArkSt. Unless they redshirted a ton from the 2012 they are mostly gone. Since then they have been as low as five. ULL has done pretty well I would not be surprised to see them bounce back this year.

(02-04-2016 10:18 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 09:27 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  That was an excellent article about this years recruiting,

As far as 247, IMO here is a better way of ranking a class based on the average player ranking:

Arkansas State-----------79.33
Georgia Southern--------78.74
Troy-----------------------78.57
South Alabama-----------78.39
Texas State--------------78.14
Louisiana-Lafayette------77.56
Appalachian State-------77.47
Louisiana-Monroe-------76.12
Georgia State-----------75.61
New Mexico State------75.57
Idaho--------------------75.33

The above rankings, and they will be changing over the next few weeks, do not include A-States high profile transfers, or another transfer who are already on campus, so I expect there would be a greater separation if they were included.

Another plus for A-State is almost all of their highly rated newbies are already on campus. That is not the case with several of these classes, and we will have to wait and just see how real they are.

One other plus for A-State is based on rankings, they have their best group of red-shirts ever to throw into the mix. Not a bad situation when they return most of the players who contributed to their championship run this past year.

We have five guys with no rating our recruit avg will go way up...lil soon seminole.

He doesn't care, apparently he knows that the recruits being brought in at A-state are far beyond anything that other SBC can get or have. APP and GS (or whoever) could beat them the next 3 years and it would just be bad coaching or injuries. Couldn't possibly be that other schools can have equal or better talent.

(02-04-2016 10:18 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 09:27 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  That was an excellent article about this years recruiting,

As far as 247, IMO here is a better way of ranking a class based on the average player ranking:

Arkansas State-----------79.33
Georgia Southern--------78.74
Troy-----------------------78.57
South Alabama-----------78.39
Texas State--------------78.14
Louisiana-Lafayette------77.56
Appalachian State-------77.47
Louisiana-Monroe-------76.12
Georgia State-----------75.61
New Mexico State------75.57
Idaho--------------------75.33

The above rankings, and they will be changing over the next few weeks, do not include A-States high profile transfers, or another transfer who are already on campus, so I expect there would be a greater separation if they were included.

Another plus for A-State is almost all of their highly rated newbies are already on campus. That is not the case with several of these classes, and we will have to wait and just see how real they are.

One other plus for A-State is based on rankings, they have their best group of red-shirts ever to throw into the mix. Not a bad situation when they return most of the players who contributed to their championship run this past year.

We have five guys with no rating our recruit avg will go way up since two are three stars on other sites. Only one ArkSt player is not rated....lil soon seminole. We will be highest in in avg and points most likely. Either way I will take 14 three stars over 6 in any normal class.

I was hoping we could've pulled in 1 (or even 2) legit 4-stars this year.

(02-04-2016 10:13 AM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 09:55 AM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 09:27 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  The above rankings, and they will be changing over the next few weeks, do not include A-States high profile transfers, or another transfer who are already on campus, so I expect there would be a greater separation if they were included.

Transfers typically aren't added in these figures. You can't add players with values from different years because you are looking at different bell curves. We have a 4* LB being added to the roster this year, but added him to our current total is incorrect.

We will see if A-state can continue creating mutants. I think over the next few years you are going to see a lot the new teams keep pushing ULL and a-state for top dog. You already are seeing App and GS competing and winning. I also see Troy, USA, and TXST (if they get/have the right coach) getting better too.

I agree, and again the influx of talent at A-State next year is unprecedented, at least for as long as I have followed their recruiting, and may not happen again.

Even with the new talent, there are still some questions as to whether or not they have addresses the depth issues in their secondary, but fact is no college team is without questions.

(02-04-2016 10:23 AM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 10:18 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 09:27 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  That was an excellent article about this years recruiting,

As far as 247, IMO here is a better way of ranking a class based on the average player ranking:

Arkansas State-----------79.33
Georgia Southern--------78.74
Troy-----------------------78.57
South Alabama-----------78.39
Texas State--------------78.14
Louisiana-Lafayette------77.56
Appalachian State-------77.47
Louisiana-Monroe-------76.12
Georgia State-----------75.61
New Mexico State------75.57
Idaho--------------------75.33

The above rankings, and they will be changing over the next few weeks, do not include A-States high profile transfers, or another transfer who are already on campus, so I expect there would be a greater separation if they were included.

Another plus for A-State is almost all of their highly rated newbies are already on campus. That is not the case with several of these classes, and we will have to wait and just see how real they are.

One other plus for A-State is based on rankings, they have their best group of red-shirts ever to throw into the mix. Not a bad situation when they return most of the players who contributed to their championship run this past year.

We have five guys with no rating our recruit avg will go way up...lil soon seminole.

He doesn't care, apparently he knows that the recruits being brought in at A-state are far beyond anything that other SBC can get or have. APP and GS (or whoever) could beat them the next 3 years and it would just be bad coaching or injuries. Couldn't possibly be that other schools can have equal or better talent.

Think the readers here can read what I'm posting, and see where I'm getting my data, which is available for everyone.

(02-04-2016 10:27 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 10:13 AM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 09:55 AM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 09:27 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  The above rankings, and they will be changing over the next few weeks, do not include A-States high profile transfers, or another transfer who are already on campus, so I expect there would be a greater separation if they were included.

Transfers typically aren't added in these figures. You can't add players with values from different years because you are looking at different bell curves. We have a 4* LB being added to the roster this year, but added him to our current total is incorrect.

We will see if A-state can continue creating mutants. I think over the next few years you are going to see a lot the new teams keep pushing ULL and a-state for top dog. You already are seeing App and GS competing and winning. I also see Troy, USA, and TXST (if they get/have the right coach) getting better too.

I agree, and again the influx of talent at A-State next year is unprecedented, at least for as long as I have followed their recruiting, and may not happen again.

Even with the new talent, there are still some questions as to whether or not they have addresses the depth issues in their secondary, but fact is no college team is without questions.

Hyperbole is in the dictionary for a reason.

Class rankings mean so little. I believe we finished in the top 3 until this year in our recruiting, and look what it got us last year.

(02-04-2016 10:13 AM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 09:55 AM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 09:27 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  The above rankings, and they will be changing over the next few weeks, do not include A-States high profile transfers, or another transfer who are already on campus, so I expect there would be a greater separation if they were included.

Transfers typically aren't added in these figures. You can't add players with values from different years because you are looking at different bell curves. We have a 4* LB being added to the roster this year, but added him to our current total is incorrect.

We will see if A-state can continue creating mutants. I think over the next few years you are going to see a lot the new teams keep pushing ULL and a-state for top dog. You already are seeing App and GS competing and winning. I also see Troy, USA, and TXST (if they get/have the right coach) getting better too.

Proof's in the Pudding, but I believe we have the right Coach. . . . a lot of excitement on The Hill right now . . . .

(02-04-2016 10:39 AM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  Class rankings mean so little. I believe we finished in the top 3 until this year in our recruiting, and look what it got us last year.

When you are all bunched together they matter little and when your coach sucks it matter even less but there is a reason ULM, Idaho and NMSU will not and has not contended for a title. When there is significant separation it shows on the field. There is significant separation from the teams that usually finish in the top three and those that finish in the bottom three. Barring you go the mercenary transfer route. If you look at the team talent composite TXST typically finishing about where they should be. I think your coach lost the team.

http://247sports.com/Season/2015-Footbal...erence=SBC

App went young last year and it is paying off. Only ULL last year is the big head scratcher.

(02-04-2016 10:27 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 10:13 AM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 09:55 AM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 09:27 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  The above rankings, and they will be changing over the next few weeks, do not include A-States high profile transfers, or another transfer who are already on campus, so I expect there would be a greater separation if they were included.

Transfers typically aren't added in these figures. You can't add players with values from different years because you are looking at different bell curves. We have a 4* LB being added to the roster this year, but added him to our current total is incorrect.

We will see if A-state can continue creating mutants. I think over the next few years you are going to see a lot the new teams keep pushing ULL and a-state for top dog. You already are seeing App and GS competing and winning. I also see Troy, USA, and TXST (if they get/have the right coach) getting better too.

I agree, and again the influx of talent at A-State next year is unprecedented, at least for as long as I have followed their recruiting, and may not happen again.

Even with the new talent, there are still some questions as to whether or not they have addresses the depth issues in their secondary, but fact is no college team is without questions.

That is truly amazing considering the already existing talent gap between Arky State and the rest of the SBC.

We were 3rd in ESPN but 7th on 247? What a joke! Like throwing darts. Who the hell knows.

(02-04-2016 10:18 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 09:27 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  That was an excellent article about this years recruiting,

As far as 247, IMO here is a better way of ranking a class based on the average player ranking:

Arkansas State-----------79.33
Georgia Southern--------78.74
Troy-----------------------78.57
South Alabama-----------78.39
Texas State--------------78.14
Louisiana-Lafayette------77.56
Appalachian State-------77.47
Louisiana-Monroe-------76.12
Georgia State-----------75.61
New Mexico State------75.57
Idaho--------------------75.33

The above rankings, and they will be changing over the next few weeks, do not include A-States high profile transfers, or another transfer who are already on campus, so I expect there would be a greater separation if they were included.

Another plus for A-State is almost all of their highly rated newbies are already on campus. That is not the case with several of these classes, and we will have to wait and just see how real they are.

One other plus for A-State is based on rankings, they have their best group of red-shirts ever to throw into the mix. Not a bad situation when they return most of the players who contributed to their championship run this past year.

We have five guys with no rating our recruit avg will go way up since two are three stars on other sites. Only one ArkSt player is not rated....lil soon seminole. We will be highest in in avg and points most likely. Either way I will take 14 three stars over 6 in any normal class.

ArkSt has been towards the top half in recruiting but has not finished first since 2012 I am sure the other teams that have been towards the top will compete just fine against ArkSt. Unless they redshirted a ton from the 2012 they are mostly gone. Since then they have been as low as five. ULL has done pretty well I would not be surprised to see them bounce back this year.

That 2012 class gets cited a lot, and it did produce Fredi Knighten, Michael Gordon, Darian Griswald, and Tres Houston, but a large percentage of that class never even made it to campus. If anything, that class is a cautionary tale here about how top ranked recruiting classes can mean very little.

Some of our best recruiting class historically have been middle of the pack in the SBC or worse. Recruiting rankings in general are a fools game, we all want to be declared "best class in the league" but the best rankings for a recruiting class are rerankings three years later, when we've had a chance to see the impact of those players overall.

This is pretty fun to watch. Every year, those who do well in the rankings love it, and those who don't scream about what a sham it is.

One of the previous posters is right. It's not an exact science, but it's clear that there is a pretty big correlation between the 247 recruiting rankings and what happens on the field. You can't tell me the teams on the bottom aren't perrenial bottom feeders. You can go back through the last few classes and see the same story with only a few "yeah, but see..." type exceptions.

They correlate well with most teams, even Texas State. They've traditionally had middle of the pack recruiting (not great recruiting like what's being said), and it showed on the field in 6-6 and 7-5 seasons. Texas State's last season was bad, but no one has ever said recruiting was all there is. Your coach has to, you know, show up and stuff.

(02-04-2016 10:55 AM)APPrising Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 10:27 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 10:13 AM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 09:55 AM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 09:27 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  The above rankings, and they will be changing over the next few weeks, do not include A-States high profile transfers, or another transfer who are already on campus, so I expect there would be a greater separation if they were included.

Transfers typically aren't added in these figures. You can't add players with values from different years because you are looking at different bell curves. We have a 4* LB being added to the roster this year, but added him to our current total is incorrect.

We will see if A-state can continue creating mutants. I think over the next few years you are going to see a lot the new teams keep pushing ULL and a-state for top dog. You already are seeing App and GS competing and winning. I also see Troy, USA, and TXST (if they get/have the right coach) getting better too.

I agree, and again the influx of talent at A-State next year is unprecedented, at least for as long as I have followed their recruiting, and may not happen again.

Even with the new talent, there are still some questions as to whether or not they have addresses the depth issues in their secondary, but fact is no college team is without questions.

That is truly amazing considering the already existing talent gap between Arky State and the rest of the SBC.

Yes it is. They had a small senior class last year, and return most of the players that contributed to their 9-4 record.

Heck, if we were just talking about adding the best red-shirt class in their programs history we would be talking about a serious upgrade in talent next year, over last year.

Here are those red-shirts and the 247 composite star ranking.

***DT, Javier Carbonell
***RB, Jamal Jones
**LB, Kirk Louis
***LB, Avery Johnson
***OL, Dalton Ford
***OL, Cam Davis
**DE, TJ Harris
***QB, D.J. Pearson
***WR, Omar Bayless
**WR, Jaylon Marshall
*** OL, Ben Benton

That is a very impressive group, and no one is really factoring them in.

(02-04-2016 10:24 AM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 10:18 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 09:27 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  That was an excellent article about this years recruiting,

As far as 247, IMO here is a better way of ranking a class based on the average player ranking:

Arkansas State-----------79.33
Georgia Southern--------78.74
Troy-----------------------78.57
South Alabama-----------78.39
Texas State--------------78.14
Louisiana-Lafayette------77.56
Appalachian State-------77.47
Louisiana-Monroe-------76.12
Georgia State-----------75.61
New Mexico State------75.57
Idaho--------------------75.33

The above rankings, and they will be changing over the next few weeks, do not include A-States high profile transfers, or another transfer who are already on campus, so I expect there would be a greater separation if they were included.

Another plus for A-State is almost all of their highly rated newbies are already on campus. That is not the case with several of these classes, and we will have to wait and just see how real they are.

One other plus for A-State is based on rankings, they have their best group of red-shirts ever to throw into the mix. Not a bad situation when they return most of the players who contributed to their championship run this past year.

We have five guys with no rating our recruit avg will go way up since two are three stars on other sites. Only one ArkSt player is not rated....lil soon seminole. We will be highest in in avg and points most likely. Either way I will take 14 three stars over 6 in any normal class.

I was hoping we could've pulled in 1 (or even 2) legit 4-stars this year.

Wouldn't have mattered. Once they signed with an SBC team they would have been dropped to a 3*. It's happened before.

App's 2013 class fell in 8th place in the SunBelt with 64.12 total points and an average of 74.25.

That class included Lamb, Cox, Gilchrist and Upshaw, as well as most of our offensive line.

If our current class is rated higher than that one, then I'm good.

(02-04-2016 11:27 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  This is pretty fun to watch. Every year, those who do well in the rankings love it, and those who don't scream about what a sham it is.

One of the previous posters is right. It's not an exact science, but it's clear that there is a pretty big correlation between the 247 recruiting rankings and what happens on the field. You can't tell me the teams on the bottom aren't perrenial bottom feeders. You can go back through the last few classes and see the same story with only a few "yeah, but see..." type exceptions.

They correlate well with most teams, even Texas State. They've traditionally had middle of the pack recruiting (not great recruiting like what's being said), and it showed on the field in 6-6 and 7-5 seasons. Texas State's last season was bad, but no one has ever said recruiting was all there is. Your coach has to, you know, show up and stuff.

Not really.

First, you can't measure a class by how a team does the next year because many freshman get redshirted at this level. You really can't start ranking until the following year.

So on that note:

Georgia State: Bottom of the barrel recruiting for a few years, finished 4th in the league last year

Arkansas State: Only one recruiting title in 7 years, and that was a class that actually didn't produce very well, 4 conference championships in the last 5 years

Texas State: Generally top 3 or 4 recruiting in league the last few years, they finished last in the conference last season

App State: Never gets highly rated on 247, finished 10-2 last season