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RE: IF I'm reading the NCAA bylaws right, a new conference can never EARN an autobid
(01-29-2016 04:45 PM)Wedge Wrote:  You're right. There's no way to "automatically" get NCAA autobids.

It's a way to keep the overall number of autobids in check, and no doubt that has a lot to do with March Madness, which right now has exactly the same number of autobids as at-large teams. If any group of schools could form a brand new conference and automatically be entitled to autobids, we might end up with 44 autobids instead of 34, which would mean either 10 fewer at-large teams in the tournament or an expansion of the tournament to preserve the balance between autobids and at-large teams.

The Atlantic 10, for example, has 14 members. If any new conference was automatically entitled to NCAA autobids, there would be nothing stopping the A-10 from dividing into two 7-team conferences for the sole purpose of getting two autobids. They could even have the same commissioner, same conference office, etc. to save on overhead, and have scheduling agreements with each other to make sure every school can easily fill its schedules. They could even have a shared TV deal, for that matter.

There would be nothing stopping any 12-team conference from splitting in half and each half adding one new member to get its own March Madness autobid and to meet the minimum 7 members required for a D-I conference.

This is really what matters. It's true that the by-laws are almost impossible to follow or interpret. But the by-laws aren't what matters. The end result is.

If conferences start gaming the system in ways that reduce the number of bids that the major basketball conferences get, then those major conferences are just going to change the rules. And if you think they don't have the power to do that, You didn't pay attention during the past year. They will get their rules changes, or they will leave, with the blessing of the media outlets that pay through the nose for the NCAAT.

The other minor conferences that now get an autobid will recognize the danger to them, and they will give the majors and the networks what they want, because they can't afford not to.
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RE: IF I'm reading the NCAA bylaws right, a new conference can never EARN an autobid
(01-29-2016 08:43 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(01-29-2016 04:45 PM)Wedge Wrote:  You're right. There's no way to "automatically" get NCAA autobids.

It's a way to keep the overall number of autobids in check, and no doubt that has a lot to do with March Madness, which right now has exactly the same number of autobids as at-large teams. If any group of schools could form a brand new conference and automatically be entitled to autobids, we might end up with 44 autobids instead of 34, which would mean either 10 fewer at-large teams in the tournament or an expansion of the tournament to preserve the balance between autobids and at-large teams.

The Atlantic 10, for example, has 14 members. If any new conference was automatically entitled to NCAA autobids, there would be nothing stopping the A-10 from dividing into two 7-team conferences for the sole purpose of getting two autobids. They could even have the same commissioner, same conference office, etc. to save on overhead, and have scheduling agreements with each other to make sure every school can easily fill its schedules. They could even have a shared TV deal, for that matter.

There would be nothing stopping any 12-team conference from splitting in half and each half adding one new member to get its own March Madness autobid and to meet the minimum 7 members required for a D-I conference.

This is really what matters. It's true that the by-laws are almost impossible to follow or interpret. But the by-laws aren't what matters. The end result is.

If conferences start gaming the system in ways that reduce the number of bids that the major basketball conferences get, then those major conferences are just going to change the rules. And if you think they don't have the power to do that, You didn't pay attention during the past year. They will get their rules changes, or they will leave, with the blessing of the media outlets that pay through the nose for the NCAAT.

The other minor conferences that now get an autobid will recognize the danger to them, and they will give the majors and the networks what they want, because they can't afford not to.

CUSA can't game the system now as they don't have sufficient continuity. The A10, MEAC, MAC, and a few others could, but it's difficult to negotiate the new teams, sports requirement, TV contracts etc. If the P5 senses that conference splits are imminent by lesser conferences, they will close the loophole, but they will protect themselves.
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(01-29-2016 08:51 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(01-29-2016 08:43 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(01-29-2016 04:45 PM)Wedge Wrote:  You're right. There's no way to "automatically" get NCAA autobids.

It's a way to keep the overall number of autobids in check, and no doubt that has a lot to do with March Madness, which right now has exactly the same number of autobids as at-large teams. If any group of schools could form a brand new conference and automatically be entitled to autobids, we might end up with 44 autobids instead of 34, which would mean either 10 fewer at-large teams in the tournament or an expansion of the tournament to preserve the balance between autobids and at-large teams.

The Atlantic 10, for example, has 14 members. If any new conference was automatically entitled to NCAA autobids, there would be nothing stopping the A-10 from dividing into two 7-team conferences for the sole purpose of getting two autobids. They could even have the same commissioner, same conference office, etc. to save on overhead, and have scheduling agreements with each other to make sure every school can easily fill its schedules. They could even have a shared TV deal, for that matter.

There would be nothing stopping any 12-team conference from splitting in half and each half adding one new member to get its own March Madness autobid and to meet the minimum 7 members required for a D-I conference.

This is really what matters. It's true that the by-laws are almost impossible to follow or interpret. But the by-laws aren't what matters. The end result is.

If conferences start gaming the system in ways that reduce the number of bids that the major basketball conferences get, then those major conferences are just going to change the rules. And if you think they don't have the power to do that, You didn't pay attention during the past year. They will get their rules changes, or they will leave, with the blessing of the media outlets that pay through the nose for the NCAAT.

The other minor conferences that now get an autobid will recognize the danger to them, and they will give the majors and the networks what they want, because they can't afford not to.

CUSA can't game the system now as they don't have sufficient continuity. The A10, MEAC, MAC, and a few others could, but it's difficult to negotiate the new teams, sports requirement, TV contracts etc. If the P5 senses that conference splits are imminent by lesser conferences, they will close the loophole, but they will protect themselves.

Once again, if you look through the bylaws, they already did.
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(01-29-2016 08:56 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(01-29-2016 08:51 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(01-29-2016 08:43 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(01-29-2016 04:45 PM)Wedge Wrote:  You're right. There's no way to "automatically" get NCAA autobids.

It's a way to keep the overall number of autobids in check, and no doubt that has a lot to do with March Madness, which right now has exactly the same number of autobids as at-large teams. If any group of schools could form a brand new conference and automatically be entitled to autobids, we might end up with 44 autobids instead of 34, which would mean either 10 fewer at-large teams in the tournament or an expansion of the tournament to preserve the balance between autobids and at-large teams.

The Atlantic 10, for example, has 14 members. If any new conference was automatically entitled to NCAA autobids, there would be nothing stopping the A-10 from dividing into two 7-team conferences for the sole purpose of getting two autobids. They could even have the same commissioner, same conference office, etc. to save on overhead, and have scheduling agreements with each other to make sure every school can easily fill its schedules. They could even have a shared TV deal, for that matter.

There would be nothing stopping any 12-team conference from splitting in half and each half adding one new member to get its own March Madness autobid and to meet the minimum 7 members required for a D-I conference.

This is really what matters. It's true that the by-laws are almost impossible to follow or interpret. But the by-laws aren't what matters. The end result is.

If conferences start gaming the system in ways that reduce the number of bids that the major basketball conferences get, then those major conferences are just going to change the rules. And if you think they don't have the power to do that, You didn't pay attention during the past year. They will get their rules changes, or they will leave, with the blessing of the media outlets that pay through the nose for the NCAAT.

The other minor conferences that now get an autobid will recognize the danger to them, and they will give the majors and the networks what they want, because they can't afford not to.

CUSA can't game the system now as they don't have sufficient continuity. The A10, MEAC, MAC, and a few others could, but it's difficult to negotiate the new teams, sports requirement, TV contracts etc. If the P5 senses that conference splits are imminent by lesser conferences, they will close the loophole, but they will protect themselves.

Once again, if you look through the bylaws, they already did.

The NCAA considered continuity was met by the NCHC before when six of its teams were in another conference. They didn't have to play two years to get official autobids and they weren't power schools with major media contracts like the Big East. Continuity can be established in a prior league, per the NCAA guidance and track record.
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It would be interesting to see if a new conference that had 7 schools with 8 years of continuity would get a new bid. The rules are vague about but the precident set up by the big east conference would indicate that they would qualify
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(01-29-2016 09:03 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(01-29-2016 08:56 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(01-29-2016 08:51 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(01-29-2016 08:43 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(01-29-2016 04:45 PM)Wedge Wrote:  You're right. There's no way to "automatically" get NCAA autobids.

It's a way to keep the overall number of autobids in check, and no doubt that has a lot to do with March Madness, which right now has exactly the same number of autobids as at-large teams. If any group of schools could form a brand new conference and automatically be entitled to autobids, we might end up with 44 autobids instead of 34, which would mean either 10 fewer at-large teams in the tournament or an expansion of the tournament to preserve the balance between autobids and at-large teams.

The Atlantic 10, for example, has 14 members. If any new conference was automatically entitled to NCAA autobids, there would be nothing stopping the A-10 from dividing into two 7-team conferences for the sole purpose of getting two autobids. They could even have the same commissioner, same conference office, etc. to save on overhead, and have scheduling agreements with each other to make sure every school can easily fill its schedules. They could even have a shared TV deal, for that matter.

There would be nothing stopping any 12-team conference from splitting in half and each half adding one new member to get its own March Madness autobid and to meet the minimum 7 members required for a D-I conference.

This is really what matters. It's true that the by-laws are almost impossible to follow or interpret. But the by-laws aren't what matters. The end result is.

If conferences start gaming the system in ways that reduce the number of bids that the major basketball conferences get, then those major conferences are just going to change the rules. And if you think they don't have the power to do that, You didn't pay attention during the past year. They will get their rules changes, or they will leave, with the blessing of the media outlets that pay through the nose for the NCAAT.

The other minor conferences that now get an autobid will recognize the danger to them, and they will give the majors and the networks what they want, because they can't afford not to.

CUSA can't game the system now as they don't have sufficient continuity. The A10, MEAC, MAC, and a few others could, but it's difficult to negotiate the new teams, sports requirement, TV contracts etc. If the P5 senses that conference splits are imminent by lesser conferences, they will close the loophole, but they will protect themselves.

Once again, if you look through the bylaws, they already did.

The NCAA considered continuity was met by the NCHC before when six of its teams were in another conference. They didn't have to play two years to get official autobids and they weren't power schools with major media contracts like the Big East. Continuity can be established in a prior league, per the NCAA guidance and track record.

The rules for multisport conferences and single-sport conferences are different. The rules for multisport conferences don't say anything anymore about schools "conducted conference competition together". The rules for single sport conferences do.
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(01-29-2016 09:15 PM)solohawks Wrote:  It would be interesting to see if a new conference that had 7 schools with 8 years of continuity would get a new bid. The rules are vague about but the precident set up by the big east conference would indicate that they would qualify

I've come to think they would. I may change the title of the thread.
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(01-29-2016 09:23 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(01-29-2016 09:15 PM)solohawks Wrote:  It would be interesting to see if a new conference that had 7 schools with 8 years of continuity would get a new bid. The rules are vague about but the precident set up by the big east conference would indicate that they would qualify

I've come to think they would. I may change the title of the thread.
The Big East got the autobid because after they were voted into the non-FB subdivision list, they met all the criteria.
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(01-29-2016 09:15 PM)solohawks Wrote:  It would be interesting to see if a new conference that had 7 schools with 8 years of continuity would get a new bid. The rules are vague about but the precident set up by the big east conference would indicate that they would qualify

I hadn't considered it but the Big East was just at that line of 7 schools but what if they were not?

I suppose their is always an exception if a conference petitions.
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(01-30-2016 12:31 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  The Big East got the autobid because after they were voted into the non-FB subdivision list, they met all the criteria.

You're correct, Bruce. Here is the report of the NCAA board meeting at which the new Big East was voted in. See item 5: "The Board voted to approve the Big East Conference as a Division I core conference to be added to the Division I governance and championships structure, effective for NCAA purposes on August 1, 2013. "
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My read of the by-laws is the same as johnbragg's in the OP. A new D-I conference has to sponsor basketball and meet the other minimum requirements for eight years to be granted an auto bid. It doesn't matter whether the members were in a different conference together before and it doesn't matter who comes and goes during the eight year waiting period, provided that the new conference maintains a membership count of at least seven D-I schools.

I don't know the particulars around the Big East-AAC split but one of them (I believe it was the AAC) got an exemption from the NCAA that allowed it to have an auto bid immediately.

I've pointed this out in many threads on this board suggesting the creation of a new D-I conference from scratch (e.g. a G5 "best of the rest" conference). It just isn't going to happen, unless there are seven D-I schools out there that are genuinely desperate to leave their current conference and aren't wanted by any other existing conference (or unless the conference founders can land an exemption from the rule).
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(01-30-2016 02:08 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  My read of the by-laws is the same as johnbragg's in the OP. A new D-I conference has to sponsor basketball and meet the other minimum requirements for eight years to be granted an auto bid. It doesn't matter whether the members were in a different conference together before and it doesn't matter who comes and goes during the eight year waiting period, provided that the new conference maintains a membership count of at least seven D-I schools.

I don't know the particulars around the Big East-AAC split but one of them (I believe it was the AAC) got an exemption from the NCAA that allowed it to have an auto bid immediately.

I've pointed this out in many threads on this board suggesting the creation of a new D-I conference from scratch (e.g. a G5 "best of the rest" conference). It just isn't going to happen, unless there are seven D-I schools out there that are genuinely desperate to leave their current conference and aren't wanted by any other existing conference (or unless the conference founders can land an exemption from the rule).

Agreed. That's why I have said, the closest one can get to a "best of the rest" G5 would have to use the AAC or MW as the base vehicle. So, you could create a nationwide conference that would be pretty close to a best of the rest---but it wouldn't be perfect because you cant just start from scratch. Any version would have a few teams that wouldn't be in a best of the rest built from scratch.
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(01-30-2016 02:20 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(01-30-2016 02:08 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  My read of the by-laws is the same as johnbragg's in the OP. A new D-I conference has to sponsor basketball and meet the other minimum requirements for eight years to be granted an auto bid. It doesn't matter whether the members were in a different conference together before and it doesn't matter who comes and goes during the eight year waiting period, provided that the new conference maintains a membership count of at least seven D-I schools.

I don't know the particulars around the Big East-AAC split but one of them (I believe it was the AAC) got an exemption from the NCAA that allowed it to have an auto bid immediately.

I've pointed this out in many threads on this board suggesting the creation of a new D-I conference from scratch (e.g. a G5 "best of the rest" conference). It just isn't going to happen, unless there are seven D-I schools out there that are genuinely desperate to leave their current conference and aren't wanted by any other existing conference (or unless the conference founders can land an exemption from the rule).

Agreed. That's why I have said, the closest one can get to a "best of the rest" G5 would have to use the AAC or MW as the base vehicle. So, you could create a nationwide conference that would be pretty close to a best of the rest---but it wouldn't be perfect because you cant just start from scratch. Any version would have a few teams that wouldn't be in a best of the rest built from scratch.

Yep, exactly.
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The AAC can thank the WAC for being able to keep the original Big East's automatic bid:

http://www.ncaa.com/news/ncaa/2011-01-19...-auto-bids

When the Big East expanded to 16 in 2005 with the "get out of jail free" provision after five years, each side would have had to stay together. Only Notre Dame left from the non-football members, so the C7 met the 6/5 provision even without the WAC's changes. Since the AAC remnant incurred further losses for the 2013 season, it no longer met the 6/5 requirement, and then had to get new members to meet the "7 active Division I members" requirement, and then of course, meet the higher requirement to remain an FBS conference (8 full members who play FBS football). Theoretically any conference with at least 8 members can meet the 6/5 requirement within in the next five years, but of course it doesn't really accomplish much for a conference with 8 or 9 members - at that point a league might as well find a way to rid itself of the unwanted member(s).

The real hangup at the FBS level is the CFP contract. If the SEC announced it was splitting in 2019, there is no guarantee either side would keep the SEC's contract with the NY6 bowls, and it may require complete re-working of the revenue distributions. There would also be a limited pool of members from which to draw for each side to get back up to 8 or more members - while any G5 school would leap at the opportunity, the GORs for other power conferences may be too expensive to crack. If it is not a balanced split, i.e., 10 schools left the SEC, the other four may find themselves effectively merging with the Big 12.
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(01-30-2016 12:49 AM)Wedge Wrote:  
(01-30-2016 12:31 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  The Big East got the autobid because after they were voted into the non-FB subdivision list, they met all the criteria.

You're correct, Bruce. Here is the report of the NCAA board meeting at which the new Big East was voted in. See item 5: "The Board voted to approve the Big East Conference as a Division I core conference to be added to the Division I governance and championships structure, effective for NCAA purposes on August 1, 2013. "

Great find wedge. This does lead me to believe that if a conference split a la the big east and met the new 7 schools for 8 years rule a la the big east then they would be voted in via precedent
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(01-30-2016 10:18 AM)solohawks Wrote:  
(01-30-2016 12:49 AM)Wedge Wrote:  
(01-30-2016 12:31 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  The Big East got the autobid because after they were voted into the non-FB subdivision list, they met all the criteria.

You're correct, Bruce. Here is the report of the NCAA board meeting at which the new Big East was voted in. See item 5: "The Board voted to approve the Big East Conference as a Division I core conference to be added to the Division I governance and championships structure, effective for NCAA purposes on August 1, 2013. "

Great find wedge. This does lead me to believe that if a conference split a la the big east and met the new 7 schools for 8 years rule a la the big east then they would be voted in via precedent

Unless the NCAA Board decides that the precedent is that they will do this for any conference that doesn't play football and includes three NCAA Tournament Champions and three others who reached the Final Four. I wouldn't bank on precedent, unless you are UConn, Cincy, Temple, Houston and Memphis and want to break away from the AAC with a few partners.
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(01-30-2016 10:18 AM)solohawks Wrote:  
(01-30-2016 12:49 AM)Wedge Wrote:  
(01-30-2016 12:31 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  The Big East got the autobid because after they were voted into the non-FB subdivision list, they met all the criteria.

You're correct, Bruce. Here is the report of the NCAA board meeting at which the new Big East was voted in. See item 5: "The Board voted to approve the Big East Conference as a Division I core conference to be added to the Division I governance and championships structure, effective for NCAA purposes on August 1, 2013. "

Great find wedge. This does lead me to believe that if a conference split a la the big east and met the new 7 schools for 8 years rule a la the big east then they would be voted in via precedent

A conference can make that argument when asking the NCAA board to vote them in, but there is no rule requiring the board to give a new conference an autobid. The biggest factor favoring the Big East is that its members excel at men's hoops and thus their champ will almost always be deserving of an at large bid even if they had no autobid. Also, this split was a legitimate "divorce" of two groups with vastly different interests who did not want to be together anymore; it wasn't some attempt to pull shenanigans or find a loophole or just get extra autobids. And, the core of that new BE group had been together for 30 years, not just 8. It would be a big mistake to just assume that an autobid would be given to a new league that didn't have all these factors going for them. The top basketball conferences absolutely do not want to create new autobids that would effectively push at-large teams out of March Madness, and the NCAA board will act accordingly.
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(01-30-2016 11:35 AM)Wedge Wrote:  
(01-30-2016 10:18 AM)solohawks Wrote:  
(01-30-2016 12:49 AM)Wedge Wrote:  
(01-30-2016 12:31 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  The Big East got the autobid because after they were voted into the non-FB subdivision list, they met all the criteria.

You're correct, Bruce. Here is the report of the NCAA board meeting at which the new Big East was voted in. See item 5: "The Board voted to approve the Big East Conference as a Division I core conference to be added to the Division I governance and championships structure, effective for NCAA purposes on August 1, 2013. "

Great find wedge. This does lead me to believe that if a conference split a la the big east and met the new 7 schools for 8 years rule a la the big east then they would be voted in via precedent

A conference can make that argument when asking the NCAA board to vote them in, but there is no rule requiring the board to give a new conference an autobid. The biggest factor favoring the Big East is that its members excel at men's hoops and thus their champ will almost always be deserving of an at large bid even if they had no autobid. Also, this split was a legitimate "divorce" of two groups with vastly different interests who did not want to be together anymore; it wasn't some attempt to pull shenanigans or find a loophole or just get extra autobids. And, the core of that new BE group had been together for 30 years, not just 8. It would be a big mistake to just assume that an autobid would be given to a new league that didn't have all these factors going for them. The top basketball conferences absolutely do not want to create new autobids that would effectively push at-large teams out of March Madness, and the NCAA board will act accordingly.

If any seven grouping has been together eight years, wants to form another conference, and would meet the definition of a conference with the needed sports for an autobid, the court would find in their favor. The NCAA would have to pay big time damages if it didnt, unless the NCAA again change the rules before hand.
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RE: IF I'm reading the NCAA bylaws right, new conference takes 8 yrs to earn autobid
(01-30-2016 02:41 PM)NoDak Wrote:  If any seven grouping has been together eight years, wants to form another conference, and would meet the definition of a conference with the needed sports for an autobid, the court would find in their favor. The NCAA would have to pay big time damages if it didnt, unless the NCAA again change the rules before hand.

They changed the rules already. In 2011. I'm pretty sure you're just trolling at this point.
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RE: IF I'm reading the NCAA bylaws right, new conference takes 8 yrs to earn autobid
(01-30-2016 02:59 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(01-30-2016 02:41 PM)NoDak Wrote:  If any seven grouping has been together eight years, wants to form another conference, and would meet the definition of a conference with the needed sports for an autobid, the court would find in their favor. The NCAA would have to pay big time damages if it didnt, unless the NCAA again change the rules before hand.

They changed the rules already. In 2011. I'm pretty sure you're just trolling at this point.

Not trolling. You and others just don't get it. The Big East didn't have any favors done to them to get an autobid, no matter what you think.
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