If it gets built, Bernie McGlade will scoop it up for the A-10, before the CAA gets there (as usual).

Nawwww, I'm counting on Stoney running some JMU interference

You never know, the majority A-10 members may balk at bringing their tournament below DC.

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(11-09-2017 10:19 PM)Tribeheart Wrote:  Nawwww, I'm counting on Stoney running some JMU interference

You never know, the majority A-10 members may balk at bringing their tournament below DC.

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The A-10 wont want TWO potential teams to essentially have home games in their conference tournament.

Hopeful that the CAA tourney followed by regional NCAA game, ACC host.

Norfolk is also looking to renovate and expand the Scope. They have the MEAC tourney there, but could also work if they open to other conference bidding given a newly renovated arena.

(11-09-2017 09:11 PM)Tribeheart Wrote:  We'll see what comes out of this in reality, but if there is finally some tangible movement, then Richmond has to be back squarely in the picture for the CAA tournaments, both men and women.

Richmond Mayor Stoney announces major downtown redevelopment plan centered on new Coliseum

http://www.richmond.com/news/local/city-...4f1c2.html
The centerpiece – a new arena with at least 17,500 seats – would serve as a catalyst for further growth in the area, Stoney said, replacing the dilapidated, smaller Coliseum that costs city taxpayers $1 million a year to operate.

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17.5K is a lot of seats to fill. I don't know if a building that big would be appealing to the CAA

I think location impacts it a great deal (obviously, so do the teams making the final). According to Wiki, the following are the attendance numbers for the past several years (remember location and membership changed):

2012 (Richmond): 47,833
2013 (Richmond): unavailable
2014 (Baltimore): 19,065
2015 (Baltimore): 18,754
2016 (Baltimore): 16,198
2017 (Charleston): reported as ~35,000 but that includes people who attended multiple games per day, so apples:oranges.

My point being that I think a more central location in a newer arena (Richmond) would do well with a strong JMU, W&M, Elon, Towson, UNCW, Charleston, etc.

Would imagine that proposed 17,500 number is based on the economics of market studies, but it is, also, a large capacity for many Richmond events. I would hope, if the development becomes reality, that design plans would incorporate a building flexibility to scale up and down to fit a range of markets and capacities.

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(11-10-2017 01:49 PM)TribeNiner Wrote:  I think location impacts it a great deal (obviously, so do the teams making the final). According to Wiki, the following are the attendance numbers for the past several years (remember location and membership changed):

2012 (Richmond): 47,833
2013 (Richmond): unavailable
2014 (Baltimore): 19,065
2015 (Baltimore): 18,754
2016 (Baltimore): 16,198
2017 (Charleston): reported as ~35,000 but that includes people who attended multiple games per day, so apples:oranges.

My point being that I think a more central location in a newer arena (Richmond) would do well with a strong JMU, W&M, Elon, Towson, UNCW, Charleston, etc.

Not sure where you sourced your numbers - but they are way off.

Baltimore looks correct, the others do not.

The total gate in Charleston was around 18,000 for the full tourney, five sessions. They were saved by having a championship with the only two nearby schools, CoC and UNCW. That championship brought in about 7,000. The semis combined around 5,000.

2013 in Richmond was also around 15,000 tops. There were only 6 teams playing that year and the big draws of VCU and ODU had left.

Baltimore for my money is still the best location for the league, not Richmond.

It’s possible these numbers are less correlated to tournament location than to funky conference composition. No (sane) college administrators would design this iteration of the CAA from scratch. Would wager that a different location would only improve attendance numbers on the margins.

Remain uncertain as to the benefits of a Boston to Charleston (or Orono to Burlington for football) footprint. For leagues like the CAA there are no media revenues that result from this geography. Maybe there is data to indicate present league geography helps with recruiting or donations. Haven’t seen it.

What is obvious is that the present geography offers challenges for athlete and fan travel, and it appears that ten percent or thereabouts of the athletic budget goes to travel— not trivial for a college supporting 21 sports.

Am of the opinion that resistance to the data gathering, work and controversy associated with examining different conference alignments (meaning completely new configurations) will leave tournament attendance and other important numbers unchanged. And it will have been particularly negligent not to have data in hand in the event JMU and/or Deleware abandon ship.

(11-10-2017 08:41 PM)Sitting bull Wrote:  

(11-10-2017 01:49 PM)TribeNiner Wrote:  I think location impacts it a great deal (obviously, so do the teams making the final). According to Wiki, the following are the attendance numbers for the past several years (remember location and membership changed):

2012 (Richmond): 47,833
2013 (Richmond): unavailable
2014 (Baltimore): 19,065
2015 (Baltimore): 18,754
2016 (Baltimore): 16,198
2017 (Charleston): reported as ~35,000 but that includes people who attended multiple games per day, so apples:oranges.

My point being that I think a more central location in a newer arena (Richmond) would do well with a strong JMU, W&M, Elon, Towson, UNCW, Charleston, etc.

Not sure where you sourced your numbers - but they are way off.

Baltimore looks correct, the others do not.

The total gate in Charleston was around 18,000 for the full tourney, five sessions. They were saved by having a championship with the only two nearby schools, CoC and UNCW. That championship brought in about 7,000. The semis combined around 5,000.

2013 in Richmond was also around 15,000 tops. There were only 6 teams playing that year and the big draws of VCU and ODU had left.

Baltimore for my money is still the best location for the league, not Richmond.

They're from wiki- but Richmond must have been counted just as Charleston was (as noted in my post above), where they counted you for every game you stayed at. So if 4,000 came for all three games in a session one day, they counted thrice (as 12,000), even though there wasn't a changeover in people.

With Hampton out of the MEAC, there is likely to be downstream dwindling of interest for the MEAC bball tournament in Norfolk Scope. If they are to renovate the Scope, it could become a possibility for the CAA tourney.

(11-16-2017 12:49 PM)nogretheogre Wrote:  With Hampton out of the MEAC

What? Where are they going?
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Never mind -- I saw some posts about it in the Hampton basketball game thread.

(11-16-2017 12:49 PM)nogretheogre Wrote:  With Hampton out of the MEAC, there is likely to be downstream dwindling of interest for the MEAC bball tournament in Norfolk Scope. If they are to renovate the Scope, it could become a possibility for the CAA tourney.

On one hand, a lot closer than Charleston. On the other hand, trips to Norfolk feel like they take as long as trips to Charleston. I'd be happier with Richmond or Baltimore.