(01-26-2016 05:25 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  

(01-26-2016 05:03 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(01-26-2016 03:54 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  

(01-26-2016 02:05 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  So, let me get this right. As far as you moonbats are concerned:

*might* = Settled Science

Copied from the other thread:

Quote:Q: Why, when the computer models do not take into account all of the variables, does the media continue to say that climate change is a settled issue?

—John Sullivan, Sloughhouse, Calif.

A: Rarely does one hear any working scientist say that science is “settled.” Science is never settled. It is, by definition, an ever-evolving body of human knowledge, and climate science is exactly like all the other sciences in that way. You do occasionally hear politicians or environmental advocacy groups say that “climate science is settled.” What they usually mean is that the science is settled enough to tell us that we need to cut emissions. That point has been clear for decades.

The “climate science is settled” mantra actually crops up most often in the writings of climate-change deniers. They like to claim that a lot of scientists go around making this case, so that they can then dispute it — a classic straw-man argument.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/proje...be-settled

So my question is: Which scientists are claiming that it's settled? Who are they and how many are there? Is it most, or even some of them? Or did one guy once say that it's settled? Or a few reporters and politicians?

Obama said it was settled. He's pushing the agenda regardless of the doubt in the science.
Senator Sheldon Whitehouse wants racketeering charges against the oil and coal industry, which over 20 scientists sent a letter to Obama to support.
An article in Gawker compared climate change skeptics to child-rapists and called for them to be jailed.
Robert Kennedy Jr supports laws to punish climate skeptics.
A professor at Rochester Institute of Technology published an essay on an accademic site calling for eth jailing of climate skeptic.
Al Gore says climate change deniers should "Pay a price"
A Rasmussen poll revealed 27% of democrats want Global Warming doubters prosecuted. Link
Germany passed a lay making it illegal to deny the reality of climate change.
John Kerry said "Global-Warming Apocalypse deniers must be silenced"
Bernie Sanders Global Warming plan promises to bring climate deniers to justice
Obama says climate change deniers threaten national security.
Greenpeace threatens global warming skeptic "We know where you live"
Ed Shultz promotes deniers take a 'reeducation' class
Senator Brian Schatz called for deniers to be publicly ridiculed and run out of town.
David Suzuki (progressive activist) wanted deniers thrown in jail

How many of these are climate scientists, or even scientists in at all? The RIT professor might be the only one, but who knows. He could be a PoliSci professor for all we know.

EDIT: Here we go:

Quote:Lawrence Torcello, a philosophy professor with a Ph.D. from the University at Buffalo, published the comments as part of an essay submitted to the academic website The Conversation.
http://www.infowars.com/college-professo...mprisoned/

Jesus Christ, you guys are scraping the bottom of the barrel to reinforce your worldview. I'm absolutely sure a few scientists agree with the views above, but they certainly don't represent the majority.

Let me quote you once again,

(01-26-2016 05:25 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  The “climate science is settled” mantra actually crops up most often in the writings of climate-change deniers. They like to claim that a lot of scientists go around making this case, so that they can then dispute it — a classic straw-man argument.
Which scientists are claiming that it's settled? Who are they and how many are there? Is it most, or even some of them? Or did one guy once say that it's settled? Or a few reporters and politicians?

Not long ago, many on the left were touting the "97%" claim as hard fact and proof that climate change was 'settled science' Through careful rewording and nuances in the vocabulary used, any number of the individuals can quickly claim "that's not what I said", when it is in fact what they were saying and implying all along. The short list I gave you above includes the following:
-An activist professor
-20 UN scientists
-A Nobel Prize winning environmentalist
-A Chief Prosecuting Attorney for enviromental groups and a Time Magazine's "Hero of the Planet"
-Two world leaders
-The US Secretary of State
-Three Senators
-Two former candidates for President
-One current candidate for President
-A former prime-time network host
-A poll of American citizens that shows 27% of Democrats want Global Warming doubters prosecuted.

That, my friend, is a list that demonstrates how politicized a topic this has become. It's also a list that clearly shows that your claim

(01-26-2016 05:25 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  The “climate science is settled” mantra actually crops up most often in the writings of climate-change deniers. They like to claim that a lot of scientists go around making this case, so that they can then dispute it — a classic straw-man argument.

is not true.

What that list does do, is prove a quote attributed to Joseph Goebbels:


The "settled science" claim has been repeated in one fashion or another so often that over 1 out of 4 American Democrats want those that don't think like they do prosecuted. In the end it no longer matters how many scientists make the claim. The snowball has been rolling down the hill long enough that it appears to be nearly unstoppable.

From Obama's 2014 State of the Union address:

Quote:The shift to a cleaner energy economy won't happen overnight, and it will require tough choices along the way.....But the debate is settled. Climate change is a fact.

Full SOTU

Apparently Obama fell for the straw man.

(01-27-2016 08:45 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  From Obama's 2014 State of the Union address:

Quote:The shift to a cleaner energy economy won't happen overnight, and it will require tough choices along the way.....But the debate is settled. Climate change is a fact.

Full SOTU

Apparently Obama fell for the straw man.

Yea. We all remember that, despite those that claim it's the "fringe" that try to set it up in order to knock it down.

That's a pretty big megaphone for the settled science crowd, especially considering his vast scientific background, in organizing and sich.

And for the resident "play-dumbs" around here, yes we all know the climate changes. That is clearly NOT what he was referring to here. Don't try to suggest otherwise.