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William & Mary Basketball Update!
SIX teams atop the CAA?! Wow. We knew this season would be hard, but not like this. We have our work cut out for us as we go deeper into conference play, but this team is more than good enough.

In our article below, we take a look at W&M's statistical rankings in the CAA and analyze what it means for the team. And we do a quick look ahead to the next few games. Check it out!

LET'S GO TRIBE

Article: http://wmsportsblog.com/2016/01/18/wm-tr...ll-update/
01-18-2016 08:10 PM
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RE: William & Mary Basketball Update!
I think there are a few reasons for the offensive rebounding stat.

1) Shaver appears to emphasize getting back in transition defense over crashing the boards. I think he's making a conscious decision to trade a few extra offensive possessions in order to not give up fast break points because we were crashing the boards.
2) When you lead the league in shooting percentage there are fewer opportunities for offensive rebounds.
3) Personnel. We are athletic, but we're not a team full of leapers and bruisers (see Towson). Defensive rebounding is about position and box-out. So, success at defensive rebounding does not automatically translate to success with offensive rebounding.
01-19-2016 10:19 AM
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RE: William & Mary Basketball Update!
(01-19-2016 10:19 AM)WMTribe90 Wrote:  I think there are a few reasons for the offensive rebounding stat.

1) Shaver appears to emphasize getting back in transition defense over crashing the boards. I think he's making a conscious decision to trade a few extra offensive possessions in order to not give up fast break points because we were crashing the boards.
2) When you lead the league in shooting percentage there are fewer opportunities for offensive rebounds.
3) Personnel. We are athletic, but we're not a team full of leapers and bruisers (see Towson). Defensive rebounding is about position and box-out. So, success at defensive rebounding does not automatically translate to success with offensive rebounding.

You are correct, but many times after we miss a shot, the only person in possible position for an offensive rebound is the point guard.

Positioning is also a large factor in offensive rebounding. While we don't want the whole team crashing the offensive boards, having 2 players in position consistently and 3 occasionally could probably be done without giving up on getting back.

I would also like to consistently see 2 rebounders on the block when we are shooting free throws. Two guards back should be able to slow down a fast break sufficiently, if they stop/slow down the ball a little farther out.
01-19-2016 10:53 AM
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RE: William & Mary Basketball Update!
Two comments:

We have some of the best athletes in the CAA. Period. Towson has a bunch of thugs. Don't confuse athletic ability with a bruiser mentality.

Our center playing high post puts him out of position for offensive rebounds every play unless he's the one that takes the shot down low. Take note of how many times Sheldon tries to tip the ball back to the guards. He's doing that because he can't get position.
01-19-2016 11:04 AM
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RE: William & Mary Basketball Update!
One plus about the lack of offensive rebounding is that it avoids fouls, and the Tribe seem to have been able to avoid foul trouble this year which allows the rotations to be consistent, etc., etc., etc.
01-19-2016 11:49 AM
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(01-19-2016 11:04 AM)Tribe32 Wrote:  Two comments:

We have some of the best athletes in the CAA. Period. Towson has a bunch of thugs. Don't confuse athletic ability with a bruiser mentality.

Our center playing high post puts him out of position for offensive rebounds every play unless he's the one that takes the shot down low. Take note of how many times Sheldon tries to tip the ball back to the guards. He's doing that because he can't get position.

I agree that top to bottom we are as athletic as anyone in the CAA. I said as much in my post. However, we do not possess the combination of muscle, height, length and leaping ability as some teams, including Towson. Athleticism can take different forms. Towson is not a "bunch of thugs" IMO. They play an ugly physical style of ball, where they compensate for their overall lack of shooting finesse by crashing the boards hard. They are not dirty or cheap. Its up to our guys to match their intensity and physical play, which in turn will result in more foul calls for pushing off and over the back.
01-19-2016 12:26 PM
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I'm not using Thug in that context. My definition is a bruiser or brawler. Not a cheap shot artist. Either way I think Towson is using their muscle to hide their lack of skill/athleticism. Just my thoughts having watched them play a couple times.
01-19-2016 02:25 PM
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(01-19-2016 02:25 PM)Tribe32 Wrote:  I'm not using Thug in that context. My definition is a bruiser or brawler. Not a cheap shot artist. Either way I think Towson is using their muscle to hide their lack of skill/athleticism. Just my thoughts having watched them play a couple times.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/thug


Simple Definition of thug

: a violent criminal
01-19-2016 03:22 PM
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(01-19-2016 02:25 PM)Tribe32 Wrote:  I'm not using Thug in that context. My definition is a bruiser or brawler. Not a cheap shot artist. Either way I think Towson is using their muscle to hide their lack of skill/athleticism. Just my thoughts having watched them play a couple times.

Gotcha. IMO, thug is more negative in connotation than being a bruiser or overly-aggressive.

Definitely agree that Towson is compensating for lack of offensive finesse by pounding the boards and physical play.
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01-19-2016 04:06 PM
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yeah, I don't agree with the characterization of Towson as a bunch of thugs, either. I think they are coached well and play well with what they've got, which is not the most skilled players in the world. I saw them live in Williamsburg, and I've caught a piece of another of their games on an internet feed. In the Burg, Skeery outcoached Shaver; he made some adjustments before the first half and we had no answer to it, and if my memory serves, they made their free throws down the stretch. I don't recall Towson hacking and fouling our scorers, which is what I would consider the play of a bunch of "thugs".
01-19-2016 04:40 PM
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So maybe I shouldn't have used "thug". I think I made my point though. I should know better to get involved in a grammar fight. For goodness sakes, I majored in biology.
01-19-2016 06:42 PM
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(01-19-2016 04:40 PM)WM Beancounter Wrote:  yeah, I don't agree with the characterization of Towson as a bunch of thugs, either. I think they are coached well and play well with what they've got, which is not the most skilled players in the world. I saw them live in Williamsburg, and I've caught a piece of another of their games on an internet feed. In the Burg, Skeery outcoached Shaver; he made some adjustments before the first half and we had no answer to it, and if my memory serves, they made their free throws down the stretch. I don't recall Towson hacking and fouling our scorers, which is what I would consider the play of a bunch of "thugs".

Towson was on our backs all night on the boards, and Omar in particular got mugged every trip to the basket. Refs swallowed the whistles. We should have won the game anyway, but that doesn't excuse the officiating.
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(01-19-2016 06:42 PM)Tribe32 Wrote:  So maybe I shouldn't have used "thug". I think I made my point though. I should know better to get involved in a grammar fight. For goodness sakes, I majored in biology.

Hey be careful there also got my BS in biology 03-nutkick
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(01-22-2016 12:27 PM)wanm65 Wrote:  
(01-19-2016 06:42 PM)Tribe32 Wrote:  So maybe I shouldn't have used "thug". I think I made my point though. I should know better to get involved in a grammar fight. For goodness sakes, I majored in biology.

Hey be careful there I laso got my BS in biology 03-nutkick

So did I and now I write for a living, go figure?
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For teams that can rebound, offensive rebounds are important, real important. Our athletes look good until they run into a group who can push them around, get in their heads, and have their way. We are built for the perimeter, finesse, and teamwork. Not that we are one dimensional, but we are in that neighborhood.
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