(01-15-2016 09:51 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 09:32 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 09:18 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 08:35 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  But a "Boise run" didn't even get Boise to the P5.

The real question is who is most likely to follow TCU and Utah.

If the PAC 12 can't get the Texhoma 4, Boise State is on their backup plans, plus they have been reclassified by Carnegie now.

I just don't see Boise being picked up. Despite having good football programs and being in the region geographically, BYU and Boise don't qualify for the PAC due to what the PAC requires. I don't think Boise has a medical school do they? What kind of research are they doing to get reclassified? I look at the research numbers and don't see them doing much. As far as non-P5's the schools that are getting the most research dollars are: UCONN, USF, Colorado St and New Mexico. Rice and Tulane are in the AAU already. I know you don't have to be a research school to be considered a good school. For example BYU does no research and is considered a good school academically. What's the news on Boise David St?
Cheers!

They have a research project on predatory birds, NASA, and the likes.
http://research.boisestate.edu/areas-of-...niversity/

They have a long list that includes materials and Geo-science or Earth science. That includes DNA and some health research.

http://hs.boisestate.edu/preprof/programs/medical/

I think Idaho's medical school is located in Boise.

http://hs.boisestate.edu/preprof/programs/

They do have a Medical Center.

http://boise.suntimes.com/boi-news/7/105...cal-school

Could be a share medical school for all the colleges and universities to use in Idaho.


http://healthservices.boisestate.edu/ That is on Boise State's campus.

They also have the lucrative Boise TV market that is pushing 30 million people

(01-15-2016 09:59 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 09:51 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 09:32 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 09:18 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 08:35 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  But a "Boise run" didn't even get Boise to the P5.

The real question is who is most likely to follow TCU and Utah.

If the PAC 12 can't get the Texhoma 4, Boise State is on their backup plans, plus they have been reclassified by Carnegie now.

I just don't see Boise being picked up. Despite having good football programs and being in the region geographically, BYU and Boise don't qualify for the PAC due to what the PAC requires. I don't think Boise has a medical school do they? What kind of research are they doing to get reclassified? I look at the research numbers and don't see them doing much. As far as non-P5's the schools that are getting the most research dollars are: UCONN, USF, Colorado St and New Mexico. Rice and Tulane are in the AAU already. I know you don't have to be a research school to be considered a good school. For example BYU does no research and is considered a good school academically. What's the news on Boise David St?
Cheers!

They have a research project on predatory birds, NASA, and the likes.
http://research.boisestate.edu/areas-of-...niversity/

They have a long list that includes materials and Geo-science or Earth science. That includes DNA and some health research.

http://hs.boisestate.edu/preprof/programs/medical/

I think Idaho's medical school is located in Boise.

http://hs.boisestate.edu/preprof/programs/

They do have a Medical Center.

http://boise.suntimes.com/boi-news/7/105...cal-school

Could be a share medical school for all the colleges and universities to use in Idaho.


http://healthservices.boisestate.edu/ That is on Boise State's campus.

They also have the lucrative Boise TV market that is pushing 30 million people

Boise State gets national viewership that is almost 10 million people watched their bowl game in the Fiesta Bowl. Ho many G5 programs can crow about that feat?

(01-15-2016 10:05 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 09:59 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 09:51 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 09:32 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 09:18 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  If the PAC 12 can't get the Texhoma 4, Boise State is on their backup plans, plus they have been reclassified by Carnegie now.

I just don't see Boise being picked up. Despite having good football programs and being in the region geographically, BYU and Boise don't qualify for the PAC due to what the PAC requires. I don't think Boise has a medical school do they? What kind of research are they doing to get reclassified? I look at the research numbers and don't see them doing much. As far as non-P5's the schools that are getting the most research dollars are: UCONN, USF, Colorado St and New Mexico. Rice and Tulane are in the AAU already. I know you don't have to be a research school to be considered a good school. For example BYU does no research and is considered a good school academically. What's the news on Boise David St?
Cheers!

They have a research project on predatory birds, NASA, and the likes.
http://research.boisestate.edu/areas-of-...niversity/

They have a long list that includes materials and Geo-science or Earth science. That includes DNA and some health research.

http://hs.boisestate.edu/preprof/programs/medical/

I think Idaho's medical school is located in Boise.

http://hs.boisestate.edu/preprof/programs/

They do have a Medical Center.

http://boise.suntimes.com/boi-news/7/105...cal-school

Could be a share medical school for all the colleges and universities to use in Idaho.


http://healthservices.boisestate.edu/ That is on Boise State's campus.

They also have the lucrative Boise TV market that is pushing 30 million people

Boise State gets national viewership that is almost 10 million people watched their bowl game in the Fiesta Bowl. Ho many G5 programs can crow about that feat?

Probably any of them that make it to the Fiesta bowl...

(01-15-2016 10:11 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 10:05 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 09:59 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 09:51 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 09:32 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I just don't see Boise being picked up. Despite having good football programs and being in the region geographically, BYU and Boise don't qualify for the PAC due to what the PAC requires. I don't think Boise has a medical school do they? What kind of research are they doing to get reclassified? I look at the research numbers and don't see them doing much. As far as non-P5's the schools that are getting the most research dollars are: UCONN, USF, Colorado St and New Mexico. Rice and Tulane are in the AAU already. I know you don't have to be a research school to be considered a good school. For example BYU does no research and is considered a good school academically. What's the news on Boise David St?
Cheers!

They have a research project on predatory birds, NASA, and the likes.
http://research.boisestate.edu/areas-of-...niversity/

They have a long list that includes materials and Geo-science or Earth science. That includes DNA and some health research.

http://hs.boisestate.edu/preprof/programs/medical/

I think Idaho's medical school is located in Boise.

http://hs.boisestate.edu/preprof/programs/

They do have a Medical Center.

http://boise.suntimes.com/boi-news/7/105...cal-school

Could be a share medical school for all the colleges and universities to use in Idaho.


http://healthservices.boisestate.edu/ That is on Boise State's campus.

They also have the lucrative Boise TV market that is pushing 30 million people

Boise State gets national viewership that is almost 10 million people watched their bowl game in the Fiesta Bowl. Ho many G5 programs can crow about that feat?

Probably any of them that make it to the Fiesta bowl...

In all fairness Boise has had incredible tv numbers...if I recall correctly, Boise vs Virginia Tech (2009 or 2010) was one of the top rated regular season football games ever on cable tv. I remember watching that game in a packed Hooters in Dallas. Everyone was glued to that game. One of the more surreal moments I've experienced as far as college football goes....Cheers!

(01-15-2016 09:24 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Charlotte? They are just too green, and was really not deserving to be FBS right now. They need some time building up their program to get there. Same with Georgia State. It would be hard for Georgia State to compete with Tech is in the same town.

Not here to toot our horn, we have a long way to go, but we are not competing with GT in much of anything.
We are a much, much different institution.
Different fans, alumni, demographics, attitude, following, etc.
Atlanta has a metro area with nearly 6.2 million people. We can each gather our own fan bases without competing head to head...with ease. The problem is GSU is playing 100 years of catch up on the tradition side, but Georgia State will be holding it's own in the near future.
Now to toot...Can you imagine what a Boise St run would do for a school with 52K students, a newly refurbished Turner Field, in the heart of college recruiting's hotbed? I'd say a Boise St run for Georgia State would be an absolute program changer.

(01-15-2016 10:05 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 09:59 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 09:51 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 09:32 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 09:18 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  If the PAC 12 can't get the Texhoma 4, Boise State is on their backup plans, plus they have been reclassified by Carnegie now.

I just don't see Boise being picked up. Despite having good football programs and being in the region geographically, BYU and Boise don't qualify for the PAC due to what the PAC requires. I don't think Boise has a medical school do they? What kind of research are they doing to get reclassified? I look at the research numbers and don't see them doing much. As far as non-P5's the schools that are getting the most research dollars are: UCONN, USF, Colorado St and New Mexico. Rice and Tulane are in the AAU already. I know you don't have to be a research school to be considered a good school. For example BYU does no research and is considered a good school academically. What's the news on Boise David St?
Cheers!

They have a research project on predatory birds, NASA, and the likes.
http://research.boisestate.edu/areas-of-...niversity/

They have a long list that includes materials and Geo-science or Earth science. That includes DNA and some health research.

http://hs.boisestate.edu/preprof/programs/medical/

I think Idaho's medical school is located in Boise.

http://hs.boisestate.edu/preprof/programs/

They do have a Medical Center.

http://boise.suntimes.com/boi-news/7/105...cal-school

Could be a share medical school for all the colleges and universities to use in Idaho.


http://healthservices.boisestate.edu/ That is on Boise State's campus.

They also have the lucrative Boise TV market that is pushing 30 million people

Boise State gets national viewership that is almost 10 million people watched their bowl game in the Fiesta Bowl. Ho many G5 programs can crow about that feat?

Well for one UConn got 10.8 million but I'm sure you'll find a way to explain how Arkansas tech would have got 10.9

(01-15-2016 08:12 PM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  Any of them with an athletic budget around $60 million or within shooting distance of it.


And Arkansas Tech of course.

Don't forget NDSU!

University of Phoenix.

They have the stadium.

(01-15-2016 11:43 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 08:12 PM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  Any of them with an athletic budget around $60 million or within shooting distance of it.


And Arkansas Tech of course.

Don't forget NDSU!

They could be the next sleeping Boise State program that FBS conferences are afraid to invite in.

(01-16-2016 01:44 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 11:43 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 08:12 PM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  Any of them with an athletic budget around $60 million or within shooting distance of it.


And Arkansas Tech of course.

Don't forget NDSU!

They could be the next sleeping Boise State program that FBS conferences are afraid to invite in.

Do you ever stop talking out of your ass?

(01-15-2016 08:58 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 08:32 PM)krup Wrote:  Could a strong enough ECU run make the SEC say, "F**k it, let's get into the state of North Carolina without taking on a GOR or the headache of a UNC/Duke who are used to running things in their conference"?

I didn't include ECU because of the blow back I'd get. I'm an ECU homer and am trying to be as unbiased as I can to see who others see as schools that are just one good run away from being upgraded to a P5. A ready made respected school with all the ingredients who just needs a break out to get noticed. But since you brought up ECU...haha...No, the ACC 4 in NC will never allow ECU in their conference. I've come to grips with that. I thought for awhile years ago that the Big East would consider ECU but they didn't. I would love for ECU to get an invite to the Big 12 but I'm being realistic. I'm also humbled by last season. I predicted a much better year than that. Cheers!
Edit: I reread your post. Sorry, you meant SEC. That would be a dream come true for me. I actually think Greenville has more in common with SEC schools than most of the ACC schools in terms of college football culture. Much more similar than the research triangle schools or the eastern NFL first city schools. Florida St and Clemson should be in the SEC. Cheers!

As a fan of a school that used to be in the Big East, one of my biggest frustrations was when the conference was always looking for another school in a big market even though they had few fans, when you had ECU sitting there as WVU-lite (with fan support equal to 2X of any of the other prospective additions).

You wouldn't be able to sell it now, but if ECU (as to the premise of this post) went on a Boise like run, why wouldn't a conference with a cable network like the SEC think about getting the state of NC into their footprint without taking on the headaches of one or more of the basketball schools (who also have a GOR)?

(01-15-2016 08:02 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Which schools not in a P5 conference already are most situated for a P5 invite if they made 2 great seasons in football happen? I'm talking 2 seasons like Boise put together in 2009 and 2010 when they went like 25-1 and were top 5.

Well, since Boise didn't make it to a P5 with their "Boise Run", I'd say the answer is "None".

(01-15-2016 08:24 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 08:19 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 08:12 PM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  Any of them with an athletic budget around $60 million or within shooting distance of it.


And Arkansas Tech of course.

Until I read David St's contributions to this board, I didn't even know there was such thing as an Arkansas Tech.

lol....I hate to admit it, but when he first started posting, I don't think I had even heard of 50% of the schools that were making his typical lists of conference possibilities---so, I guess Ive learned something new at least.

Yep. I had no idea that "Oklahoma Panhandle State" or "UT - Permian Basin" existed. Even knowing that they DO exist, reading their names I still laugh so much that I think they can't possibly exist, that the names were dreamed up by some talking head to make a point about anonymous low-level programs.

Thanks to DST, I do.

As I posted previously

Making multiple NY6/BCS bowls
Winning at least one of them
Averaging at least 40K one season
With "University of" or reasonable academic status

Was the key for TCU, Utah, Louisville and West Va to move up.

(01-15-2016 08:35 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  But a "Boise run" didn't even get Boise to the P5.

The real question is who is most likely to follow TCU and Utah.

The OP didn't want to dis Boise or turn it into a pointless discussion about them.
Meaning you have to have other intangibles to go along with football success.
Poor academics for G5 standards in a low population state with a stadium under 40k won't do.

(01-16-2016 09:40 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  As I posted previously

Making multiple NY6/BCS bowls
Winning at least one of them
Averaging at least 40K one season
With "University of" or reasonable academic status

Was the key for TCU, Utah, Louisville and West Va to move up.

Utah is probably the only relevant comparison, because it is unlikely that in the near-term P5 will be expanding "reactively", in response to a bad structural situation or a raid, and TCU, UofL, and WVU were all raid-babies.

And Utah is a state flagship that had recent BCS success, they had won two of them in the 5-6 years before joining the PAC. Utah also was about #110 in the national US News rankings.

So Flagship, multiple NY6 bowl wins, and high academic ranking seems to be the ticket.

Basically, there is nobody out there right now among the G5 with that profile. Nobody even close. UConn comes closest, as they meet two of them. UConn is a state flagship with good academics, but their football failure is terrible. A school like UCF has one NY6 win, not good enough but getting there, but they aren't a flagship and don't have the academics, they are around #170.

So expansion is just not likely at this point. It's a buyer's market, the P5 will likely be real choosy, as sharing huge $$ is on the line.

If anything, with the added $$$ on the line, the P5 will be even choosier than when the PAC added Utah. Standards have gone up, not down.

(01-15-2016 10:11 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 10:05 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 09:59 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 09:51 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 09:32 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I just don't see Boise being picked up. Despite having good football programs and being in the region geographically, BYU and Boise don't qualify for the PAC due to what the PAC requires. I don't think Boise has a medical school do they? What kind of research are they doing to get reclassified? I look at the research numbers and don't see them doing much. As far as non-P5's the schools that are getting the most research dollars are: UCONN, USF, Colorado St and New Mexico. Rice and Tulane are in the AAU already. I know you don't have to be a research school to be considered a good school. For example BYU does no research and is considered a good school academically. What's the news on Boise David St?
Cheers!

They have a research project on predatory birds, NASA, and the likes.
http://research.boisestate.edu/areas-of-...niversity/

They have a long list that includes materials and Geo-science or Earth science. That includes DNA and some health research.

http://hs.boisestate.edu/preprof/programs/medical/

I think Idaho's medical school is located in Boise.

http://hs.boisestate.edu/preprof/programs/

They do have a Medical Center.

http://boise.suntimes.com/boi-news/7/105...cal-school

Could be a share medical school for all the colleges and universities to use in Idaho.


http://healthservices.boisestate.edu/ That is on Boise State's campus.

They also have the lucrative Boise TV market that is pushing 30 million people

Boise State gets national viewership that is almost 10 million people watched their bowl game in the Fiesta Bowl. Ho many G5 programs can crow about that feat?

Probably any of them that make it to the Fiesta bowl...

David ST loves Boise's academics that are bottom ten in the G5 just above CCU.
Some Sun Belt fans complained about CCU getting in for example.

Then he touts division two schools for FBS.
Instead of promoting these schools they get ridiculed on this board .
What is the point if your a Boise fan you don't mention academics .

(01-16-2016 09:54 AM)MJG Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 08:35 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  But a "Boise run" didn't even get Boise to the P5.

The real question is who is most likely to follow TCU and Utah.

The OP didn't want to dis Boise or turn it into a pointless discussion about them.
Meaning you have to have other intangibles to go along with football success.
Poor academics for G5 standards in a low population state with a stadium under 40k won't do.

Exactly. Cheers

(01-15-2016 08:23 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I know I should of included Memphis in my list, for their market, great college football town, no NFL. I didn't include Northern Illinois because of their lack of fan support (attendance) after having tremendous seasons in football. If you can't get 25,000 fans in the seats after going to the Orange Bowl then you're not ever gonna catch fire. Didn't include UMASS due to how new they are to college football. Premature. IMHO. Cheers!

If NIU could leave the MAC first and get off weeknight MACtion games, the fan base could revive. Don't completely count us out yet

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Its New Mexico and Colorado State and it's not even close. They fit geographically into the Big XII and solve a ton of problems. UNM has excellent basketball with an amazing arena and CSU has a brand new football stadium on the way. If New Mexico and CSU had a 10 year run like TCU/Boise had together it would be a slam dunk. Plus, it would theoretically give your two best programs (OU and Texas) a chance to play twice in a year.

Big XII South
New Mexico
Texas Tech
Texas
Baylor
TCU
WVU

Big XII North
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
KU
K-State
Iowa State
Colorado State