(01-15-2016 04:44 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 04:05 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 03:22 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 03:09 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  1. You have to wonder about the accuracy of dating.
2. Humans go back well beyond 45,000 years. We already knew that.
3. If someone slayed a mammouth 45,000 years ago, that doesn't mean they were part of a civilization. Could have been a nomadic tribe just as easily.
4. How do they know it is a weapon mark and not a natural wound from falling onto a sharp rock?

forensic science....

They are going to drag the caveman into court and prosecute him for the death of the wooly mammoth?

They couldn't get him for killing an endangered species since they're extinct. But I'm sure a lawyer could find something.

Hate Crime. Wooly Mammoth Lives Matter.

(01-15-2016 04:05 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 03:22 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 03:09 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  1. You have to wonder about the accuracy of dating.
2. Humans go back well beyond 45,000 years. We already knew that.
3. If someone slayed a mammouth 45,000 years ago, that doesn't mean they were part of a civilization. Could have been a nomadic tribe just as easily.
4. How do they know it is a weapon mark and not a natural wound from falling onto a sharp rock?

forensic science....

They are going to drag the caveman into court and prosecute him for the death of the wooly mammoth?

That term is offensive to non-Africans since we're all part Neanderthal.

(01-15-2016 02:18 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 02:14 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Why do so many non Christians like to pretend we all think the earth is under 10k?

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Ignorant masses that ridicule the religious and spread lies.

It is all to discredit Christianity and ignore any of its contributions to science.

(01-15-2016 07:22 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 02:18 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 02:14 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Why do so many non Christians like to pretend we all think the earth is under 10k?

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Ignorant masses that ridicule the religious and spread lies.

It is all to discredit Christianity and ignore any of its contributions to science.

Christians have done a lot for science throughout history, it's a shame that evangelicals are trying to unravel some of their work.

(01-15-2016 07:49 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 07:22 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 02:18 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 02:14 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Why do so many non Christians like to pretend we all think the earth is under 10k?

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Ignorant masses that ridicule the religious and spread lies.

It is all to discredit Christianity and ignore any of its contributions to science.

Christians have done a lot for science throughout history, it's a shame that evangelicals are trying to unravel some of their work.

I agree. Not all evangelicals, of course. I view science as exploring God's world. Religion and science shouldn't be hostile. My fraternity Big gave a wonderful presentation on how they can work together.

(01-15-2016 02:42 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 02:14 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Why do so many non Christians like to pretend we all think the earth is under 10k?

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You guys make generalizations about millennials, atheists, and liberals all day every day, so as far as I'm concerned it's fair game.

Besides, it's funny how defensive people get.

Our generalizations are true though.

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(01-15-2016 04:05 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 03:22 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 03:09 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  1. You have to wonder about the accuracy of dating.
2. Humans go back well beyond 45,000 years. We already knew that.
3. If someone slayed a mammouth 45,000 years ago, that doesn't mean they were part of a civilization. Could have been a nomadic tribe just as easily.
4. How do they know it is a weapon mark and not a natural wound from falling onto a sharp rock?

forensic science....

They are going to drag the caveman into court and prosecute him for the death of the wooly mammoth?

(01-15-2016 09:04 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 04:05 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 03:22 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 03:09 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  1. You have to wonder about the accuracy of dating.
2. Humans go back well beyond 45,000 years. We already knew that.
3. If someone slayed a mammouth 45,000 years ago, that doesn't mean they were part of a civilization. Could have been a nomadic tribe just as easily.
4. How do they know it is a weapon mark and not a natural wound from falling onto a sharp rock?

forensic science....

They are going to drag the caveman into court and prosecute him for the death of the wooly mammoth?

Ha+2

Can't speak for others, but at least the Catholic Church believes the universe is billions of years old and actively studies science:

http://www.vaticanobservatory.va/content/specolavaticana/en.html


The Vatican Observatory is one of the oldest astronomical research institutions in the world. Though we can trace our roots back to the reform of the calendar by Pope Gregory XIII in 1582, the modern version of the Observatory was established by Pope Leo XIII in 1891 “so that everyone might see clearly that the Church and her Pastors are not opposed to true and solid science, whether human or divine, but that they embrace it, encourage it, and promote it with the fullest possible devotion.”

Our headquarters are located at the papal summer residence in Castel Gandolfo, outside Rome. We also have a dependent research center, the Vatican Observatory Research Group, is hosted by Steward Observatory at the University of Arizona, Tucson, USA. This group operates the 1.8m Alice P. Lennon Telescope with its Thomas J. Bannan Astrophysics Facility, known together as the Vatican Advanced Technology Telescope (VATT), located at the Mount Graham International Observatory (MGIO )in southeastern Arizona.

Our international staff include a dozen research astronomers (mostly Jesuit priests, but also including two Jesuit brothers and one diocesan priest) plus a number of support staff, emeritus staff, and adjunct scholars. We come from many different nations and cultures, representing nearly every continent.

Lest we forget, Georges Lemaitre, a Jesuit, developed the Big Bang Theory*. The atheist astronomer Fred Hoyle, spent 40 years denying the Big Bang.

*This may have come as a shock to some of you but it wasn't Chuck Lorre.

I don't see the conflict between Christianity and science, except among the extremists on both sides. To me, evolution makes a strong argument for the existence of a creator God.

(01-16-2016 09:16 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I don't see the conflict between Christianity and science, except among the extremists on both sides. To me, evolution makes a strong argument for the existence of a creator God.

I agree.

(01-16-2016 12:03 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(01-16-2016 09:16 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I don't see the conflict between Christianity and science, except among the extremists on both sides. To me, evolution makes a strong argument for the existence of a creator God.

I agree.

I like the analogy that God wrote the evolution program, clicked "Enter" and sat back to watch.

(01-16-2016 12:14 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  

(01-16-2016 12:03 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(01-16-2016 09:16 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I don't see the conflict between Christianity and science, except among the extremists on both sides. To me, evolution makes a strong argument for the existence of a creator God.

I agree.

I like the analogy that God wrote the evolution program, clicked "Enter" and sat back to watch.

I like that.

(01-16-2016 12:17 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-16-2016 12:14 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  

(01-16-2016 12:03 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(01-16-2016 09:16 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I don't see the conflict between Christianity and science, except among the extremists on both sides. To me, evolution makes a strong argument for the existence of a creator God.

I agree.

I like the analogy that God wrote the evolution program, clicked "Enter" and sat back to watch.

I like that.

that's what my mormon programmer once told me....

god is a sadist if that is true....

like it or not, I welcome any rebuttal outside of 'faith'....

Really difficult to say based on just fossills. If i remember right species differentation has to do with the ability to produce viable offspring. Could a modern human and homo habilis have a child that could have children. Dont know if we will ever know. Gemetics show we have neaderthal genes.

Last i remember 150-200 thou years for modern humans


Oh, stone tools make butchering marks on bone distictly different than other animal predators teeth marks.

(01-16-2016 07:14 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(01-16-2016 12:17 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-16-2016 12:14 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  

(01-16-2016 12:03 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(01-16-2016 09:16 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I don't see the conflict between Christianity and science, except among the extremists on both sides. To me, evolution makes a strong argument for the existence of a creator God.

I agree.

I like the analogy that God wrote the evolution program, clicked "Enter" and sat back to watch.

I like that.

that's what my mormon programmer once told me....

god is a sadist if that is true....

like it or not, I welcome any rebuttal outside of 'faith'....

Not a sadist. Sadists enjoy suffering. Nowhere does it say that God enjoys suffering, but we of Earth have to endure it and maybe HE faces the same strain as well.

(01-16-2016 09:37 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(01-16-2016 07:14 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(01-16-2016 12:17 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-16-2016 12:14 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  

(01-16-2016 12:03 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I agree.

I like the analogy that God wrote the evolution program, clicked "Enter" and sat back to watch.

I like that.

that's what my mormon programmer once told me....

god is a sadist if that is true....

like it or not, I welcome any rebuttal outside of 'faith'....

Not a sadist. Sadists enjoy suffering. Nowhere does it say that God enjoys suffering, but we of Earth have to endure it and maybe HE faces the same strain as well.

Well, as an example we could have all been made as herbivores. Then you don't have animals being chased down, mauled, and eaten alive, just for starters. That would have been far less cruel, and it doesn't really matter if he enjoys it or not.

(01-16-2016 09:37 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(01-16-2016 07:14 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(01-16-2016 12:17 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-16-2016 12:14 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  

(01-16-2016 12:03 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I agree.

I like the analogy that God wrote the evolution program, clicked "Enter" and sat back to watch.

I like that.

that's what my mormon programmer once told me....

god is a sadist if that is true....

like it or not, I welcome any rebuttal outside of 'faith'....

Not a sadist. Sadists enjoy suffering. Nowhere does it say that God enjoys suffering, but we of Earth have to endure it and maybe HE faces the same strain as well.

ya got 'em backwards....that's the masochist...

the sadist is the one that administers the pain.....

sorry, old testicles god was right there with caligula....sans the sex (both didn't like like humans that didn't bow before them in any context).....if you don't see the implied sadist in the old testicles (since those dipshites only knew worshiping the invisible and idolatry), you can't be helped in behavioral study and can only hold onto faith....and that's just fine by me since that's all humans really have in concept....

(01-17-2016 10:43 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(01-16-2016 09:37 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(01-16-2016 07:14 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(01-16-2016 12:17 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-16-2016 12:14 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  I like the analogy that God wrote the evolution program, clicked "Enter" and sat back to watch.

I like that.

that's what my mormon programmer once told me....

god is a sadist if that is true....

like it or not, I welcome any rebuttal outside of 'faith'....

Not a sadist. Sadists enjoy suffering. Nowhere does it say that God enjoys suffering, but we of Earth have to endure it and maybe HE faces the same strain as well.

Well, as an example we could have all been made as herbivores. Then you don't have animals being chased down, mauled, and eaten alive, just for starters. That would have been far less cruel, and it doesn't really matter if he enjoys it or not.

That may seem important to you, but to a celestial being? Maybe not so much.