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RE: Come get us guys...
(01-21-2016 10:48 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote: (01-20-2016 08:47 PM)nzmorange Wrote: (01-20-2016 07:38 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote: (01-20-2016 06:10 PM)nzmorange Wrote: (01-20-2016 02:26 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote: Vulnerable to what exactly? A pay cut? Playing OSU, UM and MSU every year? What would make them want to split for the ACC because I (along with many others here on the ACC board) am not seeing it. They are in a land grant conference
You're also not a PSU fan. There are a significant number of PSU fans with ACC ties (Pitt, SU, VT, etc.), and there are a significant number of PSU fans who don't like the B1G's treatment of the school. There was even an admittedly short-lived movement on Pennlive to join the ACC after the scandal.
Believe whatever you want, but there *are* divides in the B1G (especially between the east and the west), and PSU really, really likes being the first among equals (see Joe's terms for a NE conference), not the #4 school in its division. If you think that UNC and Duke get special treatment in the ACC, wait for the year that Rutgers is good enough to conceivably beat OSU, Michigan, or (to a lesser extent) Michigan State. PSU is in that position every year, and the one-sided calling gets really old really fast.
Throw in the fact that almost literally every single one of PSU's rivals plays in the ACC and there is a strong argument, surface similarities (i.e. land grant status), or not. And yes, RU and UMD were added to placate PSU, but honestly, how far does that go?
While I'm asking questions, why did the B1G feel the need to placate PSU if there wasn't a credible threat of them jumping? Why not just take Kansas or Mizzou and make even more money?
Am I predicting a split? No, at least not in the near or intermediate future. However, I also don't think that a RU add and a UMD add is enough to move a less than certain PSU into a sure thing. That's why I think that they're vulnerable.
You're also not a PSU fan. PSU fans don't have ties to B1G schools only the ACC schools? Outside of Pitt which one of the ACC schools are Penn States rivals?
You think they don't want to be fourth in their division but will gladly take orders from Chapel Hill?
Kansas and Mizzou would not bring more money than Rutgers and Maryland. With that move the B1G locked up the I-95 corridor and got a ton of new BTN TV money.
If it gets really old really fast then why have they been in the league for 25 years? Why didn't they take the carrot earlier when the money wasn't so lopsided?
It seems you are grasping at straws here.
1. I grew up one, and I even went to PSU.
2. What 3 ACC teams (in one division) are going to beat them every year and get freeby calls left and right? If PSU came to the ACC, calls would go their way. Don't get me wrong, the ACC isn't any less slanted than the B1G. The conference just needs PSU more.
3. You think that KU and Mizzou have fewer fans/fan interest than RU/UMD? If so, you're both delusional and laughably wrong.
4. By signing VT and SU the ACC locked up I-81 (except for Knoxville). So what? We can both name arbitrary geographical landmarks all day, but unless those arbitrary geographical landmarks have meaning, it's just a waste of time.
5. The ACC wasn't as attractive for them before the raids.
The Rutgers fan who just told me that RU and UMD were more valuable on TV than MIZZOU and KU is now accusing me of grasping at straws. That's priceless.
You obviously don't know what the I95 corridor is and the amount of people in this country who live off of it. It's DC, Philly, NYC and Boston. The B1G has the first three in it's foot print now and the idea that KU and Mizzou brings anything close to the same amount of TV money as either Maryland or Rutgers is indeed laughable. The NYC TV market alone is worth more than both of those states and Rutgers is actually in that market. Now throw in DC and Baltimore plus Philly now being completely locked in means millions of more people for the BTN to charge subscription fees from their cable providers.
You are grasping at straws since it's never been seen anywhere that PSU has any interest whatsoever in joining the ACC. YOU want them to join, they do NOT want to join. Thats the reality of the situation. If they could have gotten PSU they would have gotten PSU.
It's really simple, only one of these two conferences has the power to raid the other. Which one do you think PSU is in?
You clearly don't understand basic economics. The number of random people in an area has nothing to do with how much a school is worth. Unless you can link those people to a willingness to pay, you're just listing an arbitrary geographic fact (i.e. I-81).
Also, here's a gem from Barry Alvarez:
"Jim [Delany] felt that someday, if we didn’t have anyone else in that corridor, someday it wouldn't make sense maybe for Penn State to be in our league. That they would go into a league somewhere on the east coast. By doing that, it keeps us in the northeast corridor."
WTH does he know, though? I'm sure you're more informed.
Oh yeah, here's another gem from an ESPN blogger:
"Since the blog launched in 2008, I've heard from Penn State fans who never have felt welcome in the Big Ten and would prefer the ACC, in large part because of the proximity to some ACC schools and the rivalries that would be enhanced. There likely are some Penn State power brokers who feel the same way."
Once again, I'm sure you're more informed. I mean WTH does he know? He just does this for a living.
The truth is the ACC could have gotten PSU to join IF the B1G didn't bend. But, the B1G bent. So, you're right that the ACC couldn't get PSU, but that's only because the B1G gave them concessions. The degree to which PSU is in the B1G is the degree to which they care about RU and UMD. I get that you've deluded yourself into thinking RU is relevant, but you're the only one.
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