(01-03-2016 09:42 AM)huskiebob Wrote:  A few quotes from the Pack Pride Scout message board. BTW, I'm completely neutral on any potential return of Canada.

Quote:I hate the man lost his job but that offense HAD to go.

Quote:The play calling this year was horrific.

Quote:I will miss the fake jet sweep on every play.

Fake jet sweep?? No, no, NO!!! We want the real thing!

My guess is Doeren is starting to feel a little bit of heat because the team, as stated in the articles, regressed a bit this past season. The third year was supposed to be the one where the team took the big step forward and started to compete for their division title, especially with a senior QB. After starting 4-0, they ended the season 3-6 and finished 4th in the division behind Clemson, Florida State, & Louisville.

Remember, NC State brought Doeren in to take the team to a higher place than Tom O'Brien had. O'Brien's record after 3 years was 16-21. Doeren's record after 3 years is 18-20 and he's yet to finish .500 in the ACC.

(01-03-2016 10:03 AM)Dog Fan Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 09:42 AM)huskiebob Wrote:  A few quotes from the Pack Pride Scout message board. BTW, I'm completely neutral on any potential return of Canada.

Quote:I hate the man lost his job but that offense HAD to go.

Quote:The play calling this year was horrific.

Quote:I will miss the fake jet sweep on every play.

Fake jet sweep?? No, no, NO!!! We want the real thing!

If he is hired, O/U game 1.5 before people here start complaining about the play-calling.

According to BackingThePack.com, Canada was making $500K/year BEFORE his contract extension one year ago. NC State gave Canada a 3-year extension with a substantial raise because Tennessee had strong interest in him to be their OC.

The Canada buyout is gonna cost NC State some big bucks.

(01-03-2016 09:55 AM)huskiebob Wrote:  A little more perspective on the Canada firing from BackingThePack.com:

Quote:This is some questionable timing, to say the least. Parting ways with a coordinator after the major coaching transition period in early-to-mid-December seems like a bad idea. Further, NC State was only days ago touting the Wolfpack offense's "third best scoring average in school history," which it achieved this past season.

It's also surprising given Canada's history with Dave Doeren, dating back to their time together at Northern Illinois. The two seemed to be a good fit in terms of philosophy. Canada signed a three-year extension with NC State in January.

With that said, NC State's offense did regress in some ways this season. Production on a per-play basis dipped, and at times Canada was inexplicably disinterested in finding opportunities for tight end David Grinnage or Jaylen Samuels. Samuels got only four touches in the Belk Bowl--two of which resulted in touchdowns--and Grinnage caught only two passes, which may have crystallized the decision.

Canada was expensive--he was among the highest-paid coordinators in the league, before his extension last January. That could have been a factor as well, but no doubt it cost State more money to fire him now than it did before the school gave him a new contract.

Full story link

What!? He didn't use the TE's much? :smh:

(01-03-2016 10:16 AM)huskiebob Wrote:  According to BackingThePack.com, Canada was making $500K/year BEFORE his contract extension one year ago. NC State gave Canada a 3-year extension with a substantial raise because Tennessee had strong interest in him to be their OC. [b]

The Canada buyout is gonna cost NC State some big bucks.

Wow.
Hire, afraid to lose raise, fire.
And they aren't even SEC!

Enos, Lembo....Carey?

Carey and Doeren had an OB run with Rod calling plays.

This board has a woody for Canada unlike any I've seen before.

Maybe we should have initiated a trade!

(01-03-2016 10:03 AM)BarsemaBone2 Wrote:  My guess is Doeren is starting to feel a little bit of heat because the team, as stated in the articles, regressed a bit this past season. The third year was supposed to be the one where the team took the big step forward and started to compete for their division title, especially with a senior QB. After starting 4-0, they ended the season 3-6 and finished 4th in the division behind Clemson, Florida State, & Louisville.

Remember, NC State brought Doeren in to take the team to a higher place than Tom O'Brien had. O'Brien's record after 3 years was 16-21. Doeren's record after 3 years is 18-20 and he's yet to finish .500 in the ACC.

This article pretty much confirms what you said.

(01-03-2016 10:31 AM)huskiebob Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 10:03 AM)BarsemaBone2 Wrote:  My guess is Doeren is starting to feel a little bit of heat because the team, as stated in the articles, regressed a bit this past season. The third year was supposed to be the one where the team took the big step forward and started to compete for their division title, especially with a senior QB. After starting 4-0, they ended the season 3-6 and finished 4th in the division behind Clemson, Florida State, & Louisville.

Remember, NC State brought Doeren in to take the team to a higher place than Tom O'Brien had. O'Brien's record after 3 years was 16-21. Doeren's record after 3 years is 18-20 and he's yet to finish .500 in the ACC.

This article pretty much confirms what you said.

Great comments.
Once again JL makes coaches look great and made millions for them..

i just don't understand the lack of imaginative play calling given what i used to see when doeren and co. were at northern illinois


i mean, was their success entirely due to jordan lynch being that great of a qb? i remember watching those games and thinking, "jesus christ that’s a great play call." lynch was putting up video game numbers on the ground – as a qb – and that can’t be exclusively attributed to athleticism. nobody is that athletic, especially a 6’2" white kid. i feel like some of that creativity made an appearance in 2013 and 2014, but this year it’s been almost entirely absent. i just don’t get it, man. i completely agree with you that there have to be some serious coaching changes.

by WolfpackDave13 on Dec 31, 2015 | 10:08 AM up reply


ginger avenger
we didn't bring on Doeren and co. from NIU, just Doeren


Canada coached NIU one year in 2011 (Lynch was a backup I believe then) and came from UW, which was a very established program where he was largely unloved.
Hux was apparently just hanging around a gas station somewhere between here and NIU and got hired.
CDD inherited Lynch from Jerry Kill and stepped into an awesome situation. Granted, he sustained that, but the jury is very much out as to whether or not he can build that organically or no

(01-03-2016 10:27 AM)scottiep12 Wrote:  Enos, Lembo....Carey?

Carey and Doeren had an OB run with Rod calling plays.

This board has a woody for Canada unlike any I've seen before.

Maybe we should have initiated a trade!

Do I really need to go to the trouble of finding a link to the threads when Peej was coming here...?

(01-03-2016 10:55 AM)NIU75 Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 10:31 AM)huskiebob Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 10:03 AM)BarsemaBone2 Wrote:  My guess is Doeren is starting to feel a little bit of heat because the team, as stated in the articles, regressed a bit this past season. The third year was supposed to be the one where the team took the big step forward and started to compete for their division title, especially with a senior QB. After starting 4-0, they ended the season 3-6 and finished 4th in the division behind Clemson, Florida State, & Louisville.

Remember, NC State brought Doeren in to take the team to a higher place than Tom O'Brien had. O'Brien's record after 3 years was 16-21. Doeren's record after 3 years is 18-20 and he's yet to finish .500 in the ACC.

This article pretty much confirms what you said.

Great comments.
Once again JL makes coaches look great and made millions for them..

i just don't understand the lack of imaginative play calling given what i used to see when doeren and co. were at northern illinois


i mean, was their success entirely due to jordan lynch being that great of a qb? i remember watching those games and thinking, "jesus christ that’s a great play call." lynch was putting up video game numbers on the ground – as a qb – and that can’t be exclusively attributed to athleticism. nobody is that athletic, especially a 6’2" white kid. i feel like some of that creativity made an appearance in 2013 and 2014, but this year it’s been almost entirely absent. i just don’t get it, man. i completely agree with you that there have to be some serious coaching changes.

by WolfpackDave13 on Dec 31, 2015 | 10:08 AM up reply


ginger avenger
we didn't bring on Doeren and co. from NIU, just Doeren


Canada coached NIU one year in 2011 (Lynch was a backup I believe then) and came from UW, which was a very established program where he was largely unloved.
Hux was apparently just hanging around a gas station somewhere between here and NIU and got hired.
CDD inherited Lynch from Jerry Kill and stepped into an awesome situation. Granted, he sustained that, but the jury is very much out as to whether or not he can build that organically or no

Technically, NC State brought in Doeren and 4 other guys from the 2012 NIU team: Nielsen, Jackson, Uremovich, & McNutt. (Nielsen & Uremovich are the only two still there). A.sl, Canada & Eddie Faulkner were both part of the 2011 team, and George Armstrong's on the staff at NC State as well, so that's 7 former NIU coaches on the Wolfpack staff the last three years.

Also, the comment regarding DD stepping into a great situation is true, but it overlooks the fact that he, along with Canada, Niemann, Carey, and the other assistants turned the great players that Kill & co brought in and turned them into winners. If Kill stayed, the 2011 team probably doesn't win the MAC West, let alone the MAC itself.

One thing we might want to consider as well with Canada is that if he does return as OC, this will arguably be the worst offense personnel wise he'll have had at NIU:

In 2003 he had Turner, Fleck, Sheldon, Cieslak, and a bunch of other returning starters.

In 2011 he had everyone from the record-setting offense the year before with the exception of Spann & the fullbacks.

2016 looks a bit different, particularly at QB.

I think the sentiment is to bring Canada back as head coach, and not OC. Not sure we could afford him either way. Question is, does Doreen offer Carey a big raise to be his new OC.

NIU would have never been as successful as they've been the last 5 years without Doeren and Canada bringing in the offensive system they did. That is what took NIU to the next level.

Did DD/Canada inherit a lot of talent on offense? Of course they did. You know what else they did? Made it better.

Harnish played 13 games in 2010, Kill/Limegrover's final year. He had a really good year.
189/292 (64.7%)
2530 yards
21 TD
5 INT

137 carries
836 yards
7 TD

2011, under Doeren/Canada
237/384 (61%)
3,216 yards
28 TD
6 INT

194 carries
1379 yards
11 TD

That's 1,229 more yards and and 11 more TDs in 2011 than 2010 for Harnish.

Also, Doeren making Canada the fall guy makes no sense to me. They gave up 56 to Clemson, 34 to FSU, 45 to UNC, and 51 to Miss St and they fire their offensive coordinator? Ooookay.

(01-03-2016 12:13 PM)niu79 Wrote:  I think the sentiment is to bring Canada back as head coach, and not OC. Not sure we could afford him either way. Question is, does Doreen offer Carey a big raise to be his new OC.

Do we even need to afford him? He just got fired and is available. He made a bunch of money from Wisconsin and NCSt the last 4 years and they're going to have to pay him a decent buyout.

If he comes back as OC he's basically the head coach in-waiting.

(01-03-2016 12:45 PM)7 Wrote:  NIU would have never been as successful as they've been the last 5 years without Doeren and Canada bringing in the offensive system they did. That is what took NIU to the next level.

Did DD/Canada inherit a lot of talent on offense? Of course they did. You know what else they did? Made it better.

Harnish played 13 games in 2010, Kill/Limegrover's final year. He had a really good year.
189/292 (64.7%)
2530 yards
21 TD
5 INT

137 carries
836 yards
7 TD

2011, under Doeren/Canada
237/384 (61%)
3,216 yards
28 TD
6 INT

194 carries
1379 yards
11 TD

That's 1,229 more yards and and 11 more TDs in 2011 than 2010 for Harnish.

Also, Doeren making Canada the fall guy makes no sense to me. They gave up 56 to Clemson, 34 to FSU, 45 to UNC, and 51 to Miss St and they fire their offensive coordinator? Ooookay.

"Released" implies he wanted to leave, not that he was fired, to me.

(01-03-2016 01:16 PM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 12:45 PM)7 Wrote:  NIU would have never been as successful as they've been the last 5 years without Doeren and Canada bringing in the offensive system they did. That is what took NIU to the next level.

Did DD/Canada inherit a lot of talent on offense? Of course they did. You know what else they did? Made it better.

Harnish played 13 games in 2010, Kill/Limegrover's final year. He had a really good year.
189/292 (64.7%)
2530 yards
21 TD
5 INT

137 carries
836 yards
7 TD

2011, under Doeren/Canada
237/384 (61%)
3,216 yards
28 TD
6 INT

194 carries
1379 yards
11 TD

That's 1,229 more yards and and 11 more TDs in 2011 than 2010 for Harnish.

Also, Doeren making Canada the fall guy makes no sense to me. They gave up 56 to Clemson, 34 to FSU, 45 to UNC, and 51 to Miss St and they fire their offensive coordinator? Ooookay.

"Released" implies he wanted to leave, not that he was fired, to me.

True but there's this:

http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/colle...10120.html

Quote:Wolfpack coach Dave Doeren made the decision to replace assistant coach Matt Canada after a disappointing 7-6 season finished with a 51-28 loss to Mississippi State in the Belk Bowl.

Doeren said after the game he would go through an evaluation process of the entire program. He repeated on Sunday that this decision was part of that process.

“Every year I go through everything from A to Z,” Doeren said. “I’m still in the middle of that process.”

Doeren did not go into detail about what went into the decision to move on.

Also says Canada interviewed for the ECU HC last year.

The more I read the more I feel like we have no chance unless hes HC, which wouldnt happen.

(01-03-2016 01:38 PM)thxjoenovak Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 01:16 PM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 12:45 PM)7 Wrote:  NIU would have never been as successful as they've been the last 5 years without Doeren and Canada bringing in the offensive system they did. That is what took NIU to the next level.

Did DD/Canada inherit a lot of talent on offense? Of course they did. You know what else they did? Made it better.

Harnish played 13 games in 2010, Kill/Limegrover's final year. He had a really good year.
189/292 (64.7%)
2530 yards
21 TD
5 INT

137 carries
836 yards
7 TD

2011, under Doeren/Canada
237/384 (61%)
3,216 yards
28 TD
6 INT

194 carries
1379 yards
11 TD

That's 1,229 more yards and and 11 more TDs in 2011 than 2010 for Harnish.

Also, Doeren making Canada the fall guy makes no sense to me. They gave up 56 to Clemson, 34 to FSU, 45 to UNC, and 51 to Miss St and they fire their offensive coordinator? Ooookay.

"Released" implies he wanted to leave, not that he was fired, to me.

True but there's this:

http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/colle...10120.html

Quote:Wolfpack coach Dave Doeren made the decision to replace assistant coach Matt Canada after a disappointing 7-6 season finished with a 51-28 loss to Mississippi State in the Belk Bowl.

Doeren said after the game he would go through an evaluation process of the entire program. He repeated on Sunday that this decision was part of that process.

“Every year I go through everything from A to Z,” Doeren said. “I’m still in the middle of that process.”

Doeren did not go into detail about what went into the decision to move on.

Also says Canada interviewed for the ECU HC last year.

Ha, polite euphemism is also an option.

Can't we just have jerry kill be our recruiting coordinator?