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RE: Pastner Says We Should Contact Bowen
(01-02-2016 09:39 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  Remember when Kirk pulled the players off the court ? Was it a forfeit ?

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1...8888&hl=en

they never left the court. the ball went into the Memphis bench after a(nother) foul had been called and Dana held it behind his back refusing to give it to the ref. he popped off with something like "we might as well get on the bus the way you are calling this game" and the ref said - ok, game over. they stayed out there for at least half an hour in an empty gym.

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(01-02-2016 10:35 PM)tigerjeb Wrote:  
(01-02-2016 09:39 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  Remember when Kirk pulled the players off the court ? Was it a forfeit ?

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1...8888&hl=en

they never left the court. the ball went into the Memphis bench after a(nother) foul had been called and Dana held it behind his back refusing to give it to the ref. he popped off with something like "we might as well get on the bus the way you are calling this game" and the ref said - ok, game over. they stayed out there for at least half an hour in an empty gym.

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(01-02-2016 09:57 PM)DallasTiger Wrote:  
(01-02-2016 09:33 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  WOW. A warning once. Imagine how much worse things coulda been without that warning.
The guy can't win.....

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(01-02-2016 09:57 PM)DallasTiger Wrote:  
(01-02-2016 09:33 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  WOW. A warning once. Imagine how much worse things coulda been without that warning.
The guy can't win.....had he gone crazy and gotten thrown out of the game...his critics would have said how stupid it was to get thrown out.

So true and every knothead here saw what they saw on TV.

Pastner and Martin worked these idiots all night to no avail every trip down the floor has a fouls called. It was equally horrible.
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(01-02-2016 10:38 PM)innman Wrote:  
(01-02-2016 09:57 PM)DallasTiger Wrote:  
(01-02-2016 09:33 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  WOW. A warning once. Imagine how much worse things coulda been without that warning.
The guy can't win.....had he gone crazy and gotten thrown out of the game...his critics would have said how stupid it was to get thrown out.

So true and every knothead here saw what they saw on TV.

Pastner and Martin worked these idiots all night to no avail every trip down the floor has a fouls called. It was equally horrible.

Maybe if we would play defense with our feet instead of reaching and grabbing, we wouldn't foul so much ?
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The call that fouled Crawford out was absolutely criminal
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I woulda done exactly the same thing Freddie Horton did. al vilcheck had it coming.
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(01-02-2016 10:43 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  
(01-02-2016 10:38 PM)innman Wrote:  
(01-02-2016 09:57 PM)DallasTiger Wrote:  
(01-02-2016 09:33 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  WOW. A warning once. Imagine how much worse things coulda been without that warning.
The guy can't win.....had he gone crazy and gotten thrown out of the game...his critics would have said how stupid it was to get thrown out.

So true and every knothead here saw what they saw on TV.

Pastner and Martin worked these idiots all night to no avail every trip down the floor has a fouls called. It was equally horrible.

Maybe if we would play defense with our feet instead of reaching and grabbing, we wouldn't foul so much ?

Yea both team pretty well sucked with their feet. They could have all had four feet and it was not going to matter it started out of control and got worse from there.
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(01-02-2016 10:38 PM)innman Wrote:  
(01-02-2016 09:57 PM)DallasTiger Wrote:  
(01-02-2016 09:33 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  WOW. A warning once. Imagine how much worse things coulda been without that warning.
The guy can't win.....had he gone crazy and gotten thrown out of the game...his critics would have said how stupid it was to get thrown out.

So true and every knothead here saw what they saw on TV.

Pastner and Martin worked these idiots all night to no avail every trip down the floor has a fouls called. It was equally horrible.

I don’t care what Pastner did with the refs he should have drawn a real bonafide straightjacket tech.

Some of you act as though you’ve never seen a coach BUY a tech, and by this I mean intentionally forcing a ref to call a tech. it’s done all of the time and another tool good coaches on every level uses.

Techs do work by focusing the spotlight on the officiating.
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(01-02-2016 10:03 PM)NJ1 Wrote:  For some of us, Pastner can do no right. If he'd have gotten T'd up, many of us would've blamed the T for the loss.

This is OK, and our prerogative as fans. But let's be transparent about it. Some of us would think he was bad no matter what he did, because some of us made our minds up about that years ago.

Not saying those folks are wrong (or right, necessarily). Just saying "why talk about it as though we're actually talking about the facts of the situation?" We're not. We're venting our long-held frustration at the coach at every single opportunity.
I wouldn't blame him for getting a T, heck even two, but there are times when you get them and times when you don't. Pastner would have only drawn my ire for a T had he picked it up late (under 4 minutes to go) when it was a 3 or 4 point game.

He should have got one in the first half when the officials called the charge on his star player, negating the basket and what should have been an and one. There were several other times when we picked up charges, or no call were made on South Carolina. Once they pulled Shaq to the ground resulting in a Tiger turnover, no call, Pastner is quiet as a church mouse.

I like Pastner but I am sick of watching him lose games. I have bit my tongue for 6 years now and watch him waste some great players. It obviously doesn't hurt him enough to lose these games and that alone tells me he will never be a great college coach.

Great players and coaches cant stand to lose, so they coach and play their hearts out to win. He is a great recruiter but a lousy coach and motivator. We have a potential lottery pick on this team, had another one transfer out, (whom Pastner didn't even speak with in person over an entire summer) and Pastner will maybe lead this team to one or two NIT home wins this season.

Really and truly, despite the record, our program is as low as I can remember since Kirk came here in '79 or whatever it was. Even then we weren't down but a few seasons, ala the John Gunn era. I guess what makes it more frustrating is that we were at the top when Cal bailed and CJP signed on. When contrasted the fall is even further than any other decline I can think of. Finch, even in poor health in his decline had 5-10x more fire than CJP.

What is Pastner afraid of? No one expects him to be Cal but man, get fired up. Our only hope as I see it is that Pastner gets mad at the criticism and decides to try a different approach to prove the naysayers wrong. Personally I think he is too hard headed to do that, (it's why 20 players have transferred out) and it is beginning to appear he will never figure it out.

Pastner needs to get a stern message delivered to him that this type of coaching and motivation is unacceptable. The fans are speaking, but I'm not sure about the administration and big money boosters. I know several boosters really like Pastner and I haven't made it a point to ask them how they really felt.

If we are stuck with Pastner, well so be it, but you can't make me like it. I know when a team is well coached and when they aren't. I see the development Papa Lawson has brought to the staff along with Stoudamire, but Pastner is still sailing this ship. It appears we are headed in a similar direction to the SMS Titanic, full steam ahead. 03-puke

Glad we are starting to become a football school, that is really where the money is anyway. We still have great talent on this basketball team, I just never thought I would see Memphis fall to mediocrity in basketball. It cannot be blamed on the players, this is on the head coach, who may have the hardest head of any first time NCAA head coach I have ever seen.

Maybe he will get lucky a sign a Laurinburg type class that already knows how to play and add a CDR or Derrick Rose to it. It certainly covered up Cals deficiencies, for all but 2:09, but at least Cal could motivate and get the players to play together.

Sorry guys I probably shouldn't post when I'm frustrated like this. Thanks for letting me vent. The saddest thing is I really do like Pastner, its just I love my Tigers and the city they represent more.
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That was a good vent MTP.

Still liked what I saw from the Tigers this evening, even if we were on the losing side. Ugh, moral victories. Blah.

41 foul calls is absolutely sickening though ... especially when we are the team that is Top 5 in NCAA at getting to the charity stripe. Hell, you would figure SC was the #1 team in the NCAA at getting to the charity stripe. Baffled at the officiating.
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MTP...we've been way lower than the Pastner era...I've always been in all in with him but after seeing us losing these games we should win this year, I'm not sure. But we could do worse... Charlie Moore on the horizon, hopefully both Lawsons remain, need another big (PT Washington)....we still have a chance.
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(01-02-2016 09:24 PM)SouthernBoiNOLA Wrote:  
(01-02-2016 09:22 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  From Jason Smith's Twitter ...

"Pastner says he'll keep his mouth shut on officials, but adds Tigers fans should contact Tom Bowen about the officiating. Says "I'm heated.""

Just like he kept his mouth shut the whole game

AMEN, brother.
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WTF are some of you talking about he was working and talking to the refs the entire game. He cannot talk about the officials per AAC/NCAA rules. Some of you are so obsessed with hating Pastner that you become delusional and see things which are not there and not see things right in front of your eyes.

Damn some of you have totally lost it
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He doesn't know how to work referees. They don't respect him like the players don't either

What other coach tells their fans to email the AD about poor officiating?

(01-02-2016 11:25 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  WTF are some of you talking about he was working and talking to the refs the entire game. He cannot talk about the officials per AAC/NCAA rules. Some of you are so obsessed with hating Pastner that you become delusional and see things which are not there and not see things right in front of your eyes.

Damn some of you have totally lost it
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Biggest sandbag job I've ever seen. Our kids were robbed.
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(01-02-2016 10:44 PM)ItsDude Wrote:  Fred Horton, Dana Kirk, Alexander/Gray, Tic Price, Derrick Rose, Calipari.....we've got a lot of black eyes. Pastner is not one. Please win Josh.


No, he's more like pink eye
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(01-02-2016 11:13 PM)ItsDude Wrote:  MTP...we've been way lower than the Pastner era...I've always been in all in with him but after seeing us losing these games we should win this year, I'm not sure. But we could do worse... Charlie Moore on the horizon, hopefully both Lawsons remain, need another big (PT Washington)....we still have a chance.

You can take it to the bank. If Pastner is removed none of the current staff will remain and that means the Lawsons are gone. Damond will NOT accept the HC position and Keelon will not settle for current position on next staff.
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(01-02-2016 09:57 PM)DallasTiger Wrote:  
(01-02-2016 09:33 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  WOW. A warning once. Imagine how much worse things coulda been without that warning.
The guy can't win.....had he gone crazy and gotten thrown out of the game...his critics would have said how stupid it was to get thrown out.

He can't win because he can't win. If he'd won the game it wouldn't have mattered.
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(01-02-2016 10:38 PM)innman Wrote:  
(01-02-2016 09:57 PM)DallasTiger Wrote:  
(01-02-2016 09:33 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  WOW. A warning once. Imagine how much worse things coulda been without that warning.
The guy can't win.....had he gone crazy and gotten thrown out of the game...his critics would have said how stupid it was to get thrown out.

So true and every knothead here saw what they saw on TV.

Pastner and Martin worked these idiots all night to no avail every trip down the floor has a fouls called. It was equally horrible.

It was pretty poorly called both ways, I agree.

Pastner probably doesn't realize it because we've gotten a really good whistle early this season. Some games against buy teams we've only won because of massive free throw disparities. We won't get that type of edge against ranked and other quality schools
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