(12-31-2015 12:59 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(12-31-2015 12:47 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Understand something about us GS fans…a lot of us have been around FCS football long enough to see many players transfer from a higher level of football to a lower one (including plenty from major college teams). We've watched it long before graduate transfer became legal in (I think) 2011. A lot of the other fan bases here and around the G5 don't have that perspective.

If this thread was about some other team besides State would we be posting here pooh pooh-ing it? Maybe not. But I can tell you if this were our team we would be saying basically the same thing.

If you need this guy to build depth that's one thing but if you need him to possible be the guy it really doesn't bode well for the QB position.

What? We get transfers too you know? I've also seen several transfers from here go to FCS and I keep track of them just out of past interest. We have guys transfer from P5's that played and barely crack the 2 deep here. GS fans aren't the only ones who have perspective on transfers.

I think what Eigen is getting at is that, many times, an FBS guy transferring into FCS is immediately expected to be 'the guy' who will be a cure-all to whichever unit he's playing on.

Many times, that's not the case. And even if he plays well, it's not quite enough to get over the hump. Chemistry is also a constant issue as they are often looked at as the leader despite not knowing the system or teammates as well as the other 10 guys on the field.

I don't think we're comparing GaSt to an FCS school, but the fact remains that welcoming in a QB transfer and immediately hitching your wagon to him isn't a great recipe for success.

Russel Wilson going to Wisconsin is the exception... Everett Golson and the inconsistent FSU offense is closer to what you can expect.

(12-31-2015 01:07 PM)CC Eagle Wrote:  

(12-31-2015 12:59 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(12-31-2015 12:47 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Understand something about us GS fans…a lot of us have been around FCS football long enough to see many players transfer from a higher level of football to a lower one (including plenty from major college teams). We've watched it long before graduate transfer became legal in (I think) 2011. A lot of the other fan bases here and around the G5 don't have that perspective.

If this thread was about some other team besides State would we be posting here pooh pooh-ing it? Maybe not. But I can tell you if this were our team we would be saying basically the same thing.

If you need this guy to build depth that's one thing but if you need him to possible be the guy it really doesn't bode well for the QB position.

What? We get transfers too you know? I've also seen several transfers from here go to FCS and I keep track of them just out of past interest. We have guys transfer from P5's that played and barely crack the 2 deep here. GS fans aren't the only ones who have perspective on transfers.

I think what Eigen is getting at is that, many times, an FBS guy transferring into FCS is immediately expected to be 'the guy' who will be a cure-all to whichever unit he's playing on.

Many times, that's not the case. And even if he plays well, it's not quite enough to get over the hump. Chemistry is also a constant issue as they are often looked at as the leader despite not knowing the system or teammates as well as the other 10 guys on the field.

I don't think we're comparing GaSt to an FCS school, but the fact remains that welcoming in a QB transfer and immediately hitching your wagon to him isn't a great recipe for success.

Russel Wilson going to Wisconsin is the exception... Everett Golson and the inconsistent FSU offense is closer to what you can expect.

Nobody is hitching a wagon. Seriously. Did everyone at GS fail the SATs. He was bought in for competition. If he beats out the other 3 great. We are endeavoring to have the least amount of drop off as possible at the position. One way to ensure that is through extreme competition given that even with their potential none of the QBs on the roster have thrown as many as 10 passes in college.

(12-31-2015 01:07 PM)CC Eagle Wrote:  

(12-31-2015 12:59 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(12-31-2015 12:47 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Understand something about us GS fans…a lot of us have been around FCS football long enough to see many players transfer from a higher level of football to a lower one (including plenty from major college teams). We've watched it long before graduate transfer became legal in (I think) 2011. A lot of the other fan bases here and around the G5 don't have that perspective.

If this thread was about some other team besides State would we be posting here pooh pooh-ing it? Maybe not. But I can tell you if this were our team we would be saying basically the same thing.

If you need this guy to build depth that's one thing but if you need him to possible be the guy it really doesn't bode well for the QB position.

What? We get transfers too you know? I've also seen several transfers from here go to FCS and I keep track of them just out of past interest. We have guys transfer from P5's that played and barely crack the 2 deep here. GS fans aren't the only ones who have perspective on transfers.

I think what Eigen is getting at is that, many times, an FBS guy transferring into FCS is immediately expected to be 'the guy' who will be a cure-all to whichever unit he's playing on.

Many times, that's not the case. And even if he plays well, it's not quite enough to get over the hump. Chemistry is also a constant issue as they are often looked at as the leader despite not knowing the system or teammates as well as the other 10 guys on the field.

I don't think we're comparing GaSt to an FCS school, but the fact remains that welcoming in a QB transfer and immediately hitching your wagon to him isn't a great recipe for success.

Russel Wilson going to Wisconsin is the exception... Everett Golson and the inconsistent FSU offense is closer to what you can expect.

And that happens here too, that's not just FCS...you also have plenty of examples where it does work and he is the guy. Just like you have guys that walk on and turn out to be studs, if it was exact science or easy to figure out, everyone could do it. Worked out ok for us with Broadway, it's worked for latech 2 years in a row, worked fur mcneese this year...saying it won't work for GSU just because it hasn't worked before is dumb. It will either work or it won't...it will totally depend on the kid, coaches and the system..:it will have nothing to do with where he came from.

(12-31-2015 12:08 PM)glsjunior74 Wrote:  Throwing to the best receiving corps in G5 football makes it easy for any qb

Yeah, but he isn't going to Toledo, or WKU, or Cincinnatti, or Western Michigan, or Bowling Green, etc.

I think Penny Hart just scored again...

(12-31-2015 12:47 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Understand something about us GS fans…a lot of us have been around FCS football long enough to see many players transfer from a higher level of football to a lower one (including plenty from major college teams). We've watched it long before graduate transfer became legal in (I think) 2011. A lot of the other fan bases here and around the G5 don't have that perspective.

If this thread was about some other team besides State would we be posting here pooh pooh-ing it? Maybe not. But I can tell you if this were our team we would be saying basically the same thing.

If you need this guy to build depth that's one thing but if you need him to possible be the guy it really doesn't bode well for the QB position.

Sorry, but this just made me laugh...I didn't start following football in 2010 when GSU got a football team...I've been around long enough to watch every Super Bowl, watch multiple Bowl Games, go to hundreds of college football games, so this isn't new to me, most GSU fans, or other SBC posters. Y'all are "pooh pooh-ing it" precisely because it is GSU (and I'm a bit skeptical that you would be if this kid decided to transfer to GaSo).

NO ONE has said that this kid is the second-coming, the savior, the greatest thing since sliced bread, but rather that it looks like a solid transfer from a strong P5 program who decided to attend GSU. That is a positive. Would he have even looked at GSU before 2015, I can't say for sure but maybe (probably) not.

(12-31-2015 01:46 PM)gsuncc Wrote:  

(12-31-2015 12:47 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Understand something about us GS fans…a lot of us have been around FCS football long enough to see many players transfer from a higher level of football to a lower one (including plenty from major college teams). We've watched it long before graduate transfer became legal in (I think) 2011. A lot of the other fan bases here and around the G5 don't have that perspective.

If this thread was about some other team besides State would we be posting here pooh pooh-ing it? Maybe not. But I can tell you if this were our team we would be saying basically the same thing.

If you need this guy to build depth that's one thing but if you need him to possible be the guy it really doesn't bode well for the QB position.

Sorry, but this just made me laugh...I didn't start following football in 2010 when GSU got a football team...I've been around long enough to watch every Super Bowl, watch multiple Bowl Games, go to hundreds of college football games, so this isn't new to me, most GSU fans, or other SBC posters. Y'all are "pooh pooh-ing it" precisely because it is GSU (and I'm a bit skeptical that you would be if this kid decided to transfer to GaSo).

NO ONE has said that this kid is the second-coming, the savior, the greatest thing since sliced bread, but rather that it looks like a solid transfer from a strong P5 program who decided to attend GSU. That is a positive. Would he have even looked at GSU before 2015, I can't say for sure but maybe (probably) not.

Not poo pooing it because it's GSU. Just trying to add a little perspective (and reality). Nobody else is starting threads on this forum about a (one) grad transfer and inserting a gif of a nuclear explosion, like this one guy is going to cause a shockwave. Sound like the guy is smart, but he was 4th string for a reason.

(12-31-2015 01:35 PM)glsjunior74 Wrote:  I think Penny Hart just scored again...

Nah, just one of your players getting ejected...again.

(12-31-2015 09:38 AM)gsuncc Wrote:  

(12-31-2015 09:28 AM)Baldy Wrote:  

(12-31-2015 09:12 AM)gsuncc Wrote:  

(12-31-2015 08:57 AM)tapate50 Wrote:  

(12-31-2015 08:04 AM)panama Wrote:  Utah has more three star QBs than the whole SBC. Lol

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At this point stars should be out the window. Are any of them any good?

I ask because I don't know.

Well, can anyone really know how good the "next guy up" is after losing a kid like Arbuckle, with his experience, talent, and leadership? Probably not. We've not seen enough of the others on the field to say, but I think it fair to say we lose a lot with Nick gone.

What I do like about this is that this kid was recruited to a P5 program, a good one at that, graduated in 21/2 years, and decided to transfer to GSU. He's a California kid, leaving Utah to come to GSU. That says something about the staff, the program, the bowl exposure, who knows what else. Can't be a bad thing...and competition can only make it better.

It says they can't recruit.

Sorry, somebody had to say it.

34-7...must be recruiting alright.

Not even a GSU fan, but I think it moved. Never let them forget that senior day loss, Panther fans!

(12-31-2015 02:03 PM)Baldy Wrote:  

(12-31-2015 01:35 PM)glsjunior74 Wrote:  I think Penny Hart just scored again...

Nah, just one of your players getting ejected...again.

34-7?

Touchdown Panthers!

(12-31-2015 01:46 PM)gsuncc Wrote:  

(12-31-2015 12:47 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Understand something about us GS fans…a lot of us have been around FCS football long enough to see many players transfer from a higher level of football to a lower one (including plenty from major college teams). We've watched it long before graduate transfer became legal in (I think) 2011. A lot of the other fan bases here and around the G5 don't have that perspective.

If this thread was about some other team besides State would we be posting here pooh pooh-ing it? Maybe not. But I can tell you if this were our team we would be saying basically the same thing.

If you need this guy to build depth that's one thing but if you need him to possible be the guy it really doesn't bode well for the QB position.

Sorry, but this just made me laugh...I didn't start following football in 2010 when GSU got a football team...I've been around long enough to watch every Super Bowl, watch multiple Bowl Games, go to hundreds of college football games, so this isn't new to me, most GSU fans, or other SBC posters. Y'all are "pooh pooh-ing it" precisely because it is GSU (and I'm a bit skeptical that you would be if this kid decided to transfer to GaSo).

NO ONE has said that this kid is the second-coming, the savior, the greatest thing since sliced bread, but rather that it looks like a solid transfer from a strong P5 program who decided to attend GSU. That is a positive. Would he have even looked at GSU before 2015, I can't say for sure but maybe (probably) not.

This

And yes they are po point it because it's GSU

But consider, they have so little to poo poo about GSU in 2015

Hahahahahahaha

Cannot wait for the January BOR meeting.

(12-31-2015 01:19 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(12-31-2015 01:07 PM)CC Eagle Wrote:  

(12-31-2015 12:59 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(12-31-2015 12:47 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Understand something about us GS fans…a lot of us have been around FCS football long enough to see many players transfer from a higher level of football to a lower one (including plenty from major college teams). We've watched it long before graduate transfer became legal in (I think) 2011. A lot of the other fan bases here and around the G5 don't have that perspective.

If this thread was about some other team besides State would we be posting here pooh pooh-ing it? Maybe not. But I can tell you if this were our team we would be saying basically the same thing.

If you need this guy to build depth that's one thing but if you need him to possible be the guy it really doesn't bode well for the QB position.

What? We get transfers too you know? I've also seen several transfers from here go to FCS and I keep track of them just out of past interest. We have guys transfer from P5's that played and barely crack the 2 deep here. GS fans aren't the only ones who have perspective on transfers.

I think what Eigen is getting at is that, many times, an FBS guy transferring into FCS is immediately expected to be 'the guy' who will be a cure-all to whichever unit he's playing on.

Many times, that's not the case. And even if he plays well, it's not quite enough to get over the hump. Chemistry is also a constant issue as they are often looked at as the leader despite not knowing the system or teammates as well as the other 10 guys on the field.

I don't think we're comparing GaSt to an FCS school, but the fact remains that welcoming in a QB transfer and immediately hitching your wagon to him isn't a great recipe for success.

Russel Wilson going to Wisconsin is the exception... Everett Golson and the inconsistent FSU offense is closer to what you can expect.

And that happens here too, that's not just FCS...you also have plenty of examples where it does work and he is the guy. Just like you have guys that walk on and turn out to be studs, if it was exact science or easy to figure out, everyone could do it. Worked out ok for us with Broadway, it's worked for latech 2 years in a row, worked fur mcneese this year...saying it won't work for GSU just because it hasn't worked before is dumb. It will either work or it won't...it will totally depend on the kid, coaches and the system..:it will have nothing to do with where he came from.

There are enough examples of graduate transfers working that schools keep signing them.

Hell Oregon doing it every year now

Stop it. Baldy is right. We should repent. The end is near.

(12-31-2015 02:08 PM)ASUMountaineer Wrote:  

(12-31-2015 09:38 AM)gsuncc Wrote:  

(12-31-2015 09:28 AM)Baldy Wrote:  

(12-31-2015 09:12 AM)gsuncc Wrote:  

(12-31-2015 08:57 AM)tapate50 Wrote:  At this point stars should be out the window. Are any of them any good?

I ask because I don't know.

Well, can anyone really know how good the "next guy up" is after losing a kid like Arbuckle, with his experience, talent, and leadership? Probably not. We've not seen enough of the others on the field to say, but I think it fair to say we lose a lot with Nick gone.

What I do like about this is that this kid was recruited to a P5 program, a good one at that, graduated in 21/2 years, and decided to transfer to GSU. He's a California kid, leaving Utah to come to GSU. That says something about the staff, the program, the bowl exposure, who knows what else. Can't be a bad thing...and competition can only make it better.

It says they can't recruit.

Sorry, somebody had to say it.

34-7...must be recruiting alright.

Not even a GSU fan, but I think it moved. Never let them forget that senior day loss, Panther fans!

You know what? Every time it bothers me I think about that nice shiny trophy we got last week in front of a national audience after housing the MAC champ and the fact that we finished with 9 wins again for a total of 18 wins as an FBS program. There are worse things we could be facing as fans.

...and that is why you guys are blowing up this thread

(12-31-2015 01:46 PM)gsuncc Wrote:  Sorry, but this just made me laugh...I didn't start following football in 2010 when GSU got a football team...I've been around long enough to watch every Super Bowl, watch multiple Bowl Games, go to hundreds of college football games, so this isn't new to me, most GSU fans, or other SBC posters. Y'all are "pooh pooh-ing it" precisely because it is GSU (and I'm a bit skeptical that you would be if this kid decided to transfer to GaSo).

NO ONE has said that this kid is the second-coming, the savior, the greatest thing since sliced bread, but rather that it looks like a solid transfer from a strong P5 program who decided to attend GSU. That is a positive. Would he have even looked at GSU before 2015, I can't say for sure but maybe (probably) not.

Huh? I'm not talking about understanding football itself. I'm talking about having experience with watching players transfer down a level. In general, people that haven't followed a lot of players who transferred down generally overestimate how good they will be at their new team.

Just as an example, in 2008 we got a transfer from Ohio State and he turned out to be a forgettable player. A lot of us GS folks have watched more P5 players transfer to us than most of the G5 fan bases.

Like I said, if this were my team and this guy is supposed to be in the thick of the battle for the starting role then I wouldn't feel overly great about the QB situation. All I'm really doing here is speaking from experience.

(12-31-2015 02:10 PM)panama Wrote:  34-7?

It's very flattering that a win over GS can be considered a program-defining moment for an FBS team. Merry Christmas from Willie Quitz!

(12-31-2015 03:18 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(12-31-2015 01:46 PM)gsuncc Wrote:  Sorry, but this just made me laugh...I didn't start following football in 2010 when GSU got a football team...I've been around long enough to watch every Super Bowl, watch multiple Bowl Games, go to hundreds of college football games, so this isn't new to me, most GSU fans, or other SBC posters. Y'all are "pooh pooh-ing it" precisely because it is GSU (and I'm a bit skeptical that you would be if this kid decided to transfer to GaSo).

NO ONE has said that this kid is the second-coming, the savior, the greatest thing since sliced bread, but rather that it looks like a solid transfer from a strong P5 program who decided to attend GSU. That is a positive. Would he have even looked at GSU before 2015, I can't say for sure but maybe (probably) not.

Huh? I'm not talking about understanding football itself. I'm talking about having experience with watching players transfer down a level. In general, people that haven't followed a lot of players who transferred down generally overestimate how good they will be at their new team.

Just as an example, in 2008 we got a transfer from Ohio State and he turned out to be a forgettable player. A lot of us GS folks have watched more P5 players transfer to us than most of the G5 fan bases.

Like I said, if this were my team and this guy is supposed to be in the thick of the battle for the starting role then I wouldn't feel overly great about the QB situation. All I'm really doing here is speaking from experience.

(12-31-2015 02:10 PM)panama Wrote:  34-7?

It's very flattering that a win over GS can be considered a program-defining moment for an FBS team. Merry Christmas from Willie Quitz!

Was a cherry on a great year. We have a stadium to build now...toodles.

And lol at GS expertise at the QB position.