(12-31-2015 10:43 AM)Baldy Wrote:  

(12-31-2015 10:31 AM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  

(12-31-2015 09:28 AM)Baldy Wrote:  

(12-31-2015 09:12 AM)gsuncc Wrote:  

(12-31-2015 08:57 AM)tapate50 Wrote:  At this point stars should be out the window. Are any of them any good?

I ask because I don't know.

Well, can anyone really know how good the "next guy up" is after losing a kid like Arbuckle, with his experience, talent, and leadership? Probably not. We've not seen enough of the others on the field to say, but I think it fair to say we lose a lot with Nick gone.

What I do like about this is that this kid was recruited to a P5 program, a good one at that, graduated in 21/2 years, and decided to transfer to GSU. He's a California kid, leaving Utah to come to GSU. That says something about the staff, the program, the bowl exposure, who knows what else. Can't be a bad thing...and competition can only make it better.

It says they can't recruit.

Sorry, somebody had to say it.

How do you think he chose us Sherlock? Pulled out the phone book and randomly pointed? I am sure he meant to call you, but, alas, the whole GSU thing confused him. Anyway. Graduate transfers are like any other recruit, just with a different protocol. Some are Lamberts going to Georgia. Some are Wilsons going to Wisconsin.

California QBs are like Georgia RBs. You definitely can miss, but the fish you want are in that pond. Brady, Rodgers, Romo, Cassell, Alex Smith, Carr, not to mention all time greats like Moon, Elway & Cunningham.

Now don't confuse our enthusiasm about this as confidence that he will be the guy, and he will be great. Again, Grayson Lambert anyone? But. I think the vast majority of us Georgia State fans wanted an additional QB that could come in right now and compete for the job. He is enrolling in January, and Arbuckle doesn't graduate until May I believe. So this gives him a chance to sit down and work with Arbuckle. Plus if there are no pro bites for Arbuckle, he will be returning to State as a Graduate Assistant. It should be a helluva spring for us. So whoever gets this job will not only be working with Jags and Huard, but possibly Arbuckle as well. That position was going to be our biggest question mark this season. So I think I am confident is saying our enthusiasm isn't that he is THE guy, but that one of the 3 at QB will be the guy that can continue this momentum.

He chose you probably because after Arbuckle, you don't have very much. He chose to leave Utah because he knew he wouldn't sniff the field otherwise, and it's not like he's the #2 behind Utah's version of Peyton Manning, either. Good luck.

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(12-31-2015 10:35 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Pick 4 three-star QBs at random and the fourth best one of the group will usually not be all that good.

Remember all the Star Jackson hype around 2010? That guy actually saw the field for Alabama in 2009 and when he got to Georgia State he was a bust.

Hate to come off as just another GS fan piling on here, but I can honestly say if it were my team I wouldn't get hopes up over someone that deep on any depth chart being the primary QB.

At least you guys will still be a lot better off player-wise than 2013.

34-7

(12-31-2015 10:35 AM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  I heard this on the radio when Mark Richt was fired, if Richt got a hold of Arbuckle instead of Grayson Lambert (I know they are 1 year apart), Richt would still be in Athens and would have played in Atlanta for the SEC title game.

The timing and the feel Arbuckle had with this WR was unreal.

I remember when he signed and a couple of PT guys talked to him and emailed me and were like...dude this guy is different. Atypical of any 20 year old kid they had ever interviewed. Then I remember him saying in another interview that he wasnt the tallest, fastest or strongest arm but that he bought the other 80% to 90% that it takes to play the position. Understatement. There are so many many great athletes in football now especially at the QB position that being first into the gym and the last out of the film room at night has become kind of cliche. I really hope he gets a shot at the next level because, much lile Case Keenum, he may not be a combine guy but if its about heart and hard work he can help someone. And as an Atlanta NFL fan I have about had it with combine guys. #Icemelt

(12-31-2015 11:03 AM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  

(12-31-2015 10:45 AM)Baldy Wrote:  And you lose a whole lot more than you win.

Yeah you are right. I mean that Upshaw of yours looks like he will be a bust, and he wasn't going to sniff the field at FIU. Oh wait.

When FIU changed coaches after Upshaw's Freshman year, the new coaching staff wanted to use his 6'3 frame and 4.3 speed as a WR. He wanted to be a QB. That's why he transferred.

If your new QB passes like Upshaw, you're in deep trouble.

(12-31-2015 11:10 AM)panama Wrote:  

(12-31-2015 10:35 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Pick 4 three-star QBs at random and the fourth best one of the group will usually not be all that good.

Remember all the Star Jackson hype around 2010? That guy actually saw the field for Alabama in 2009 and when he got to Georgia State he was a bust.

Hate to come off as just another GS fan piling on here, but I can honestly say if it were my team I wouldn't get hopes up over someone that deep on any depth chart being the primary QB.

At least you guys will still be a lot better off player-wise than 2013.

34-7

Congratulations.

What does that have to do with what I posted? Even most of the non-GS fans here would probably agree that it's not a good thing to rely on someone's 4th string QB to be your guy.

(12-31-2015 11:39 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(12-31-2015 11:10 AM)panama Wrote:  

(12-31-2015 10:35 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Pick 4 three-star QBs at random and the fourth best one of the group will usually not be all that good.

Remember all the Star Jackson hype around 2010? That guy actually saw the field for Alabama in 2009 and when he got to Georgia State he was a bust.

Hate to come off as just another GS fan piling on here, but I can honestly say if it were my team I wouldn't get hopes up over someone that deep on any depth chart being the primary QB.

At least you guys will still be a lot better off player-wise than 2013.

34-7

Congratulations.

What does that have to do with what I posted?

You went back to Star Jackson? C'mon son. I know you re programmed to crap on things GSU but seriously.

(12-31-2015 11:38 AM)Baldy Wrote:  

(12-31-2015 11:03 AM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  

(12-31-2015 10:45 AM)Baldy Wrote:  And you lose a whole lot more than you win.

Yeah you are right. I mean that Upshaw of yours looks like he will be a bust, and he wasn't going to sniff the field at FIU. Oh wait.

When FIU changed coaches after Upshaw's Freshman year, the new coaching staff wanted to use his 6'3 frame and 4.3 speed as a WR. He wanted to be a QB. That's why he transferred.

If your new QB passes like Upshaw, you're in deep trouble.

I trust Jeff Jagodzinski and Luke Huard as evaluators of QB talent.

(12-31-2015 11:44 AM)panama Wrote:  

(12-31-2015 11:38 AM)Baldy Wrote:  

(12-31-2015 11:03 AM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  

(12-31-2015 10:45 AM)Baldy Wrote:  And you lose a whole lot more than you win.

Yeah you are right. I mean that Upshaw of yours looks like he will be a bust, and he wasn't going to sniff the field at FIU. Oh wait.

When FIU changed coaches after Upshaw's Freshman year, the new coaching staff wanted to use his 6'3 frame and 4.3 speed as a WR. He wanted to be a QB. That's why he transferred.

If your new QB passes like Upshaw, you're in deep trouble.

I trust Jeff Jagodzinski and Luke Huard as evaluators of QB talent.

I guess they didn't like what they saw on the current roster.

Throwing to the best receiving corps in G5 football makes it easy for any qb

(12-31-2015 11:59 AM)Baldy Wrote:  

(12-31-2015 11:44 AM)panama Wrote:  

(12-31-2015 11:38 AM)Baldy Wrote:  

(12-31-2015 11:03 AM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  

(12-31-2015 10:45 AM)Baldy Wrote:  And you lose a whole lot more than you win.

Yeah you are right. I mean that Upshaw of yours looks like he will be a bust, and he wasn't going to sniff the field at FIU. Oh wait.

When FIU changed coaches after Upshaw's Freshman year, the new coaching staff wanted to use his 6'3 frame and 4.3 speed as a WR. He wanted to be a QB. That's why he transferred.

If your new QB passes like Upshaw, you're in deep trouble.

I trust Jeff Jagodzinski and Luke Huard as evaluators of QB talent.

I guess they didn't like what they saw on the current roster.

Or, perhaps, they like the idea of as much competition as possible to produce the best result.

No one knows what the scenario might be, but the kid was a strong recruit coming out of HS, graduated in 2 1/2 years, and decided to transfer to GSU. I take that as a positive for the program. Will he be able to replicate Nick? Who knows? Certainly not me, but I do like the potential and possibilities. What I can't understand is why so many GaSo fans feel the need to question any of this....

Because they have no clue what a passing offense looks like.

(12-31-2015 11:38 AM)Baldy Wrote:  

(12-31-2015 11:03 AM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  

(12-31-2015 10:45 AM)Baldy Wrote:  And you lose a whole lot more than you win.

Yeah you are right. I mean that Upshaw of yours looks like he will be a bust, and he wasn't going to sniff the field at FIU. Oh wait.

When FIU changed coaches after Upshaw's Freshman year, the new coaching staff wanted to use his 6'3 frame and 4.3 speed as a WR. He wanted to be a QB. That's why he transferred.

If your new QB passes like Upshaw, you're in deep trouble.

Sorry. He was recruited as a QB, and wasn't going to sniff the field as a QB. But you just made my point. He was perfect for you guys though. Another man's trash is another man's treasure.

Again. Do I think everyone should just hand us the Sun Belt title. No. Am I more enthusiastic about my team's outlook for next season? Yes.

(12-31-2015 12:08 PM)gsuncc Wrote:  Or, perhaps, they like the idea of as much competition as possible to produce the best result.

No one knows what the scenario might be, but the kid was a strong recruit coming out of HS, graduated in 2 1/2 years, and decided to transfer to GSU. I take that as a positive for the program. Will he be able to replicate Nick? Who knows? Certainly not me, but I do like the potential and possibilities. What I can't understand is why so many GaSo fans feel the need to question any of this....

PREACH!

(12-31-2015 11:59 AM)Baldy Wrote:  

(12-31-2015 11:44 AM)panama Wrote:  

(12-31-2015 11:38 AM)Baldy Wrote:  

(12-31-2015 11:03 AM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  

(12-31-2015 10:45 AM)Baldy Wrote:  And you lose a whole lot more than you win.

Yeah you are right. I mean that Upshaw of yours looks like he will be a bust, and he wasn't going to sniff the field at FIU. Oh wait.

When FIU changed coaches after Upshaw's Freshman year, the new coaching staff wanted to use his 6'3 frame and 4.3 speed as a WR. He wanted to be a QB. That's why he transferred.

If your new QB passes like Upshaw, you're in deep trouble.

I trust Jeff Jagodzinski and Luke Huard as evaluators of QB talent.

I guess they didn't like what they saw on the current roster.

Reading is fundamental. Already addressed this twice in this thread.

(12-31-2015 12:17 PM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  

(12-31-2015 12:08 PM)gsuncc Wrote:  Or, perhaps, they like the idea of as much competition as possible to produce the best result.

No one knows what the scenario might be, but the kid was a strong recruit coming out of HS, graduated in 2 1/2 years, and decided to transfer to GSU. I take that as a positive for the program. Will he be able to replicate Nick? Who knows? Certainly not me, but I do like the potential and possibilities. What I can't understand is why so many GaSo fans feel the need to question any of this....

PREACH!

Now that's funny right there, I don't care who you are....

Yet, I fear my exhortations shall fall upon deaf ears, the sinners shall continue their wicked ways, but battle forth I shall...

(12-31-2015 11:44 AM)panama Wrote:  

(12-31-2015 11:38 AM)Baldy Wrote:  

(12-31-2015 11:03 AM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  

(12-31-2015 10:45 AM)Baldy Wrote:  And you lose a whole lot more than you win.

Yeah you are right. I mean that Upshaw of yours looks like he will be a bust, and he wasn't going to sniff the field at FIU. Oh wait.

When FIU changed coaches after Upshaw's Freshman year, the new coaching staff wanted to use his 6'3 frame and 4.3 speed as a WR. He wanted to be a QB. That's why he transferred.

If your new QB passes like Upshaw, you're in deep trouble.

I trust Jeff Jagodzinski and Luke Huard as evaluators of QB talent.

More like Jagz needs a developed QB because he can't do it himself. Look at his history with QB's performing well. Matt Ryan was a senior when he got him and had been improving every year. As for his guys in the NFL, no one should have to develop a QB at that point in their career. Arbuckle fits that model too. It looks more and more like he takes advantage of the work other people do with their QB's.

Not saying it's a bad strategy but the pattern is definitely there. Seems to be working for him assuming he can get a good one.

Understand something about us GS fans…a lot of us have been around FCS football long enough to see many players transfer from a higher level of football to a lower one (including plenty from major college teams). We've watched it long before graduate transfer became legal in (I think) 2011. A lot of the other fan bases here and around the G5 don't have that perspective.

If this thread was about some other team besides State would we be posting here pooh pooh-ing it? Maybe not. But I can tell you if this were our team we would be saying basically the same thing.

If you need this guy to build depth that's one thing but if you need him to possible be the guy it really doesn't bode well for the QB position.

(12-31-2015 12:47 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Understand something about us GS fans…a lot of us have been around FCS football long enough to see many players transfer from a higher level of football to a lower one (including plenty from major college teams). We've watched it long before graduate transfer became legal in (I think) 2011. A lot of the other fan bases here and around the G5 don't have that perspective.

If this thread was about some other team besides State would we be posting here pooh pooh-ing it? Maybe not. But I can tell you if this were our team we would be saying basically the same thing.

If you need this guy to build depth that's one thing but if you need him to possible be the guy it really doesn't bode well for the QB position.

What? We get transfers too you know? I've also seen several transfers from here go to FCS and I keep track of them just out of past interest. We have guys transfer from P5's that played and barely crack the 2 deep here. GS fans aren't the only ones who have perspective on transfers.

(12-31-2015 12:47 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Understand something about us GS fans…a lot of us have been around FCS football long enough to see many players transfer from a higher level of football to a lower one (including plenty from major college teams). We've watched it long before graduate transfer became legal in (I think) 2011. A lot of the other fan bases here and around the G5 don't have that perspective.

If this thread was about some other team besides State would we be posting here pooh pooh-ing it? Maybe not. But I can tell you if this were our team we would be saying basically the same thing.

If you need this guy to build depth that's one thing but if you need him to possible be the guy it really doesn't bode well for the QB position.

Maybe not?

Lmao

(12-31-2015 12:43 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(12-31-2015 11:44 AM)panama Wrote:  

(12-31-2015 11:38 AM)Baldy Wrote:  

(12-31-2015 11:03 AM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  

(12-31-2015 10:45 AM)Baldy Wrote:  And you lose a whole lot more than you win.

Yeah you are right. I mean that Upshaw of yours looks like he will be a bust, and he wasn't going to sniff the field at FIU. Oh wait.

When FIU changed coaches after Upshaw's Freshman year, the new coaching staff wanted to use his 6'3 frame and 4.3 speed as a WR. He wanted to be a QB. That's why he transferred.

If your new QB passes like Upshaw, you're in deep trouble.

I trust Jeff Jagodzinski and Luke Huard as evaluators of QB talent.

More like Jagz needs a developed QB because he can't do it himself. Look at his history with QB's performing well. Matt Ryan was a senior when he got him and had been improving every year. As for his guys in the NFL, no one should have to develop a QB at that point in their career. Arbuckle fits that model too. It looks more and more like he takes advantage of the work other people do with their QB's.

Not saying it's a bad strategy but the pattern is definitely there. Seems to be working for him assuming he can get a good one.

Our QB coach is Luke Huard. And he did pretty well in two years with Nick.