(12-23-2015 11:06 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  richer teams can recruit better because they can afford to be on the road longer and in more areas. This isn't rocket science, if you don't know money leads to success, then I'm not sure what to say anymore lol.

So how do you explain Novak resurrecting the program? The recruiting budget was so much worse back in that day. Hell, we had a strength & conditioning director named Zielinski back in Mallory's day who put cement in buckets in place of the equipment the P5s had and they worked their butts off. Novak & staff built relationships with area coaches. When we got our shot, we didn't tinkle down our legs. We beat Wake Forest when they came here. We beat a Top 15-ranked Maryland program, we went to Tuscaloosa and beat an Alabama that was ranked at that time and exposed the down season the Tide was about to have, we got Iowa State to come to Huskie Stadium and we beat them. It was all done the hard way and that's why fans showed. There was a connection that has been lost. Moves by some administrations turned the locals off and now the emphasis is on money and upward mobility rather than fundamentals: how to make a solid tackle first to not allow an extra two or three yards while someone tries to strip the ball. If the one and only way to build success is through money, and you don't seem to understand the economics of the state, the limitations of our graduates to donate huge sums, etc., then I'm not sure what to say either, lol. NIU went from starving for victories to now starving only for the most expensive cut of steak and lobster.

(12-24-2015 12:33 AM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(12-24-2015 12:26 AM)huskie1stdown Wrote:  Frazier won't do anything.

What does this even mean? What do you want him to do? Fire the coaching staff? Yeah, it's a little late for that, especially in a conference where Head Coaches leave to go be assistants. Who would fill the spot? I'm sure Canada wants to take a pay cut right away. So what else would you like him to do?

At this point I would take anyone..a good div 2 guy, an OC from somewhere(ecu got the Duke oc, north Texas got the UNC OC)

But 3 years of Carey is enough, guy came in fresh off anborange bowl appearance and did nothing, drove us straight back to the middle of the Mac. And when we get rolled next year by WMU and Toledo, it will be too late, 10+yrs of building a program, only to have a soon to be golf course manager Rodney drive us back to the middle of a ****** conference

If he doesn't fire Carey he proves we are a loser program. No top notch program would allow the results he has in bowl games. Absolutely disgusting.

(12-23-2015 10:45 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  Maybe, just maybe if people started attending games we could have the kind of money to compete with other G5 powers. But we lose so much money on games. that's why we were able to get some much money in the early 2000's, the stadium was packed. Now, even though we are far more successful, we can't make up the difference in what we lose because the place is empty.

If we want to keep advancing, everyone has to do their part. I know that most of you on this board do, but that's not nearly enough people.

So this is on the fans? Oh thats hilarious. BTW, the stadium was only truly packed from 03-06. Lack of creative recruiting, player development, and in game coaching got us to where we are. We got to the 03 team despite poor fan support in the years leading up.

Such weak sauce to blame.attendance

I wouldn't mind if Carey were gone, but you don't see many G5 teams who won 8+ games firing their head coach.

(12-24-2015 07:12 AM)huskiealum03 Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 10:45 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  Maybe, just maybe if people started attending games we could have the kind of money to compete with other G5 powers. But we lose so much money on games. that's why we were able to get some much money in the early 2000's, the stadium was packed. Now, even though we are far more successful, we can't make up the difference in what we lose because the place is empty.

If we want to keep advancing, everyone has to do their part. I know that most of you on this board do, but that's not nearly enough people.

So this is on the fans? Oh thats hilarious. BTW, the stadium was only truly packed from 03-06. Lack of creative recruiting, player development, and in game coaching got us to where we are. We got to the 03 team despite poor fan support in the years leading up.

Such weak sauce to blame.attendance

You guys are constantly complaining about lack of talent, and lack of executing to get "get to the next level." Part of getting to the next level is generating actual income so you can recruit longer and in a wider area of states. Look at Boise, they paid a top notch coach for a decade, added thousands of seats to their stadium, built better facilities, and won BCS and Access bowls because they had MONEY. Money comes from fans and from donations. We all know this. So yeah, certainly part of this is on us. Not just the game yesterday, but us not getting over the hump like the Boise's, Houston's, and Cincy's. Sure they may not be as successful statistically as we are (except boise), but they play in harder conferences and have a much higher budget. Without a larger budget we might as well go play in the FCS because we will be left in the dust. Truth hurts.

(12-24-2015 12:38 AM)uiniu57 Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 11:06 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  richer teams can recruit better because they can afford to be on the road longer and in more areas. This isn't rocket science, if you don't know money leads to success, then I'm not sure what to say anymore lol.

So how do you explain Novak resurrecting the program? The recruiting budget was so much worse back in that day. Hell, we had a strength & conditioning director named Zielinski back in Mallory's day who put cement in buckets in place of the equipment the P5s had and they worked their butts off. Novak & staff built relationships with area coaches. When we got our shot, we didn't tinkle down our legs. We beat Wake Forest when they came here. We beat a Top 15-ranked Maryland program, we went to Tuscaloosa and beat an Alabama that was ranked at that time and exposed the down season the Tide was about to have, we got Iowa State to come to Huskie Stadium and we beat them. It was all done the hard way and that's why fans showed. There was a connection that has been lost. Moves by some administrations turned the locals off and now the emphasis is on money and upward mobility rather than fundamentals: how to make a solid tackle first to not allow an extra two or three yards while someone tries to strip the ball. If the one and only way to build success is through money, and you don't seem to understand the economics of the state, the limitations of our graduates to donate huge sums, etc., then I'm not sure what to say either, lol. NIU went from starving for victories to now starving only for the most expensive cut of steak and lobster.

Novak "resurrected" the program because he built a system that worked....for the MAC. Sure we won some big games, but things were so much different back then. And i'm sorry that IL is in economic disarray, and I'm sorry that we don't have large donors. If that is going to hold us back, then we can't get upset about getting embarrassed by another G5 team, because it's only going to get worse. So buckle up, it's going to be a terrible ride.

(12-23-2015 10:11 PM)thxjoenovak Wrote:  #HuskieNation to say I am disappointed in tonight's loss is an understatement! But I am proud of our program, We Will Correct & move Forward

Governor William J. Le Petomane: Holy underwear! Sheriff murdered! Innocent women and children blown to bits! We have to protect our phoney baloney jobs here, gentlemen! We must do something about this immediately! Immediately! Immediately! Harrumph! Harrumph! Harrumph!

My $.02, as an aspirational A.D., he will do something. He has to be able to say he did something. Doing nothing is not a good leadership message to present on a resume. On the other hand, defending doing something/anything is easy to talk about.

If changes are made to the staff, that is doing something and, you are still able to say you stood by your coach. Additionally, there is still another move to make if this first move doesn't work.

If Carey were a more established coach, the approach would likely be different. He may have more rope.

SF's fingerprints will be on this.

(12-24-2015 12:33 AM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(12-24-2015 12:26 AM)huskie1stdown Wrote:  Frazier won't do anything.

What does this even mean? What do you want him to do? Fire the coaching staff? Yeah, it's a little late for that, especially in a conference where Head Coaches leave to go be assistants. Who would fill the spot? I'm sure Canada wants to take a pay cut right away. So what else would you like him to do?

Yes

Maybe Frazier can use his connections to find a school with an endless budget in need of an O-Line coach to offer Carey more than he's getting now and take him off our hands (Does Bielema still need one?). I mean, Rod was OK at his original job before Jordan Lynch put a rocket up his ass and got him to HC.

(12-24-2015 10:07 AM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(12-24-2015 07:12 AM)huskiealum03 Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 10:45 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  Maybe, just maybe if people started attending games we could have the kind of money to compete with other G5 powers. But we lose so much money on games. that's why we were able to get some much money in the early 2000's, the stadium was packed. Now, even though we are far more successful, we can't make up the difference in what we lose because the place is empty.

If we want to keep advancing, everyone has to do their part. I know that most of you on this board do, but that's not nearly enough people.

So this is on the fans? Oh thats hilarious. BTW, the stadium was only truly packed from 03-06. Lack of creative recruiting, player development, and in game coaching got us to where we are. We got to the 03 team despite poor fan support in the years leading up.

Such weak sauce to blame.attendance

You guys are constantly complaining about lack of talent, and lack of executing to get "get to the next level." Part of getting to the next level is generating actual income so you can recruit longer and in a wider area of states. Look at Boise, they paid a top notch coach for a decade, added thousands of seats to their stadium, built better facilities, and won BCS and Access bowls because they had MONEY. Money comes from fans and from donations. We all know this. So yeah, certainly part of this is on us. Not just the game yesterday, but us not getting over the hump like the Boise's, Houston's, and Cincy's. Sure they may not be as successful statistically as we are (except boise), but they play in harder conferences and have a much higher budget. Without a larger budget we might as well go play in the FCS because we will be left in the dust. Truth hurts.

I don't disagree about the FCS stuff. That said, this is the Ath. Departments job to create and promote a product that will attract people to Dekalb. Results (butts in seats) matter and they are not doing a good enough job despite all the ideas flying around.

Tell me, how NIU football is no different than a business in the sense that the product has to draw the customers as opposed to customers simply 'must buy into' the product regardless of how it is promoted?

I think all you guys who want Carey fired need to pony up $50,000 to $100,000 towards the $1,075,000 buy out..........or stop being so naive and ridiculous...NIU cannot afford that money even if they were inclined to fire a guy who has won 30 games over the past three years. Do you have any idea how many BCS coaches not named Urban or Saban won 31 games in that time?

(12-24-2015 01:27 PM)cagy cager Wrote:  I think all you guys who want Carey fired need to pony up $50,000 to $100,000 towards the $1,075,000 buy out..........or stop being so naive and ridiculous...NIU cannot afford that money even if they were inclined to fire a guy who has won 30 games over the past three years. Do you have any idea how many BCS coaches not named Urban or Saban won 31 games in that time?

Why do you specify BCS coaches? They have a tougher road to win 30 games than Carey has. Though I would be surprised if we had the money to fire him anyway.

I think next year will be very important for Carey.

(12-24-2015 01:33 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(12-24-2015 01:27 PM)cagy cager Wrote:  I think all you guys who want Carey fired need to pony up $50,000 to $100,000 towards the $1,075,000 buy out..........or stop being so naive and ridiculous...NIU cannot afford that money even if they were inclined to fire a guy who has won 30 games over the past three years. Do you have any idea how many BCS coaches not named Urban or Saban won 31 games in that time?

Why do you specify BCS coaches? They have a tougher road to win 30 games than Carey has. Though I would be surprised if we had the money to fire him anyway.

I think next year will be very important for Carey.

We are MAC beaters is what he is saying. We dont beat Non-MAC G5 or P5 with winning records. We like feasting on the cupcakes.

guys that want to fire a coach who has won nearly 75% of his games should be fired from their jobs....or, better yet, fired from being a fan. only 10 FBS coaches have a winning percentage higher than Carey's 72%.........So unless you are in the top 10 of your profession, world wide, you need to be fired.

(12-24-2015 06:26 PM)cagy cager Wrote:  guys that want to fire a coach who has won nearly 75% of his games should be fired from their jobs....or, better yet, fired from being a fan. only 10 FBS coaches have a winning percentage higher than Carey's 72%.........So unless you are in the top 10 of your profession, world wide, you need to be fired.

And people like you who defend the crap that we have seen on the field yesterday and last year need to simply pull your head out because the lack of oxygen to your brain is apparent.

(12-24-2015 06:59 PM)COHUSKIE Wrote:  

(12-24-2015 06:26 PM)cagy cager Wrote:  guys that want to fire a coach who has won nearly 75% of his games should be fired from their jobs....or, better yet, fired from being a fan. only 10 FBS coaches have a winning percentage higher than Carey's 72%.........So unless you are in the top 10 of your profession, world wide, you need to be fired.

And people like you who defend the crap that we have seen on the field yesterday and last year need to simply pull your head out because the lack of oxygen to your brain is apparent.

+1. Bravo.

(12-24-2015 01:37 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  

(12-24-2015 01:33 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(12-24-2015 01:27 PM)cagy cager Wrote:  I think all you guys who want Carey fired need to pony up $50,000 to $100,000 towards the $1,075,000 buy out..........or stop being so naive and ridiculous...NIU cannot afford that money even if they were inclined to fire a guy who has won 30 games over the past three years. Do you have any idea how many BCS coaches not named Urban or Saban won 31 games in that time?

Why do you specify BCS coaches? They have a tougher road to win 30 games than Carey has. Though I would be surprised if we had the money to fire him anyway.

I think next year will be very important for Carey.

We are MAC beaters is what he is saying. We dont beat Non-MAC G5 or P5 with winning records. We like feasting on the cupcakes.

+1000