(12-23-2015 06:38 PM)BoiseStateBrick Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 06:28 PM)NiuFootballfan Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 06:26 PM)BoiseStateBrick Wrote:  Boise State built the program on unranked, 2-stars, and walk-ons. Wouldn't be where we are now if not for those teams. The reason for success was finding the "right" guys and coaching to their potential.

But you cannot sustain and improve with 2 stars and walk-ons. Need talent to reach the next level and sorry to say, but, walkons and 2 stars usually don't fill that requirement.

Check out our recruiting classes from 2003 and 2004

These are the recruits (sans the ones that never made it) that lead us to the first Fiesta Bowl win. Only one 3-star recruit (Tadman) even made it to campus. The rest were 2-stars or unranked players.

You have had great coaching..we currently dont

(12-23-2015 06:38 PM)BoiseStateBrick Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 06:28 PM)NiuFootballfan Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 06:26 PM)BoiseStateBrick Wrote:  Boise State built the program on unranked, 2-stars, and walk-ons. Wouldn't be where we are now if not for those teams. The reason for success was finding the "right" guys and coaching to their potential.

But you cannot sustain and improve with 2 stars and walk-ons. Need talent to reach the next level and sorry to say, but, walkons and 2 stars usually don't fill that requirement.

Check out our recruiting classes from 2003 and 2004

These are the recruits (sans the ones that never made it) that lead us to the first Fiesta Bowl win. Only one 3-star recruit (Tadman) even made it to campus. The rest were 2-stars or unranked players.

But you have a 4-star QB now and a ton of 3-stars. We've never had a 4-star high school recruit. You guys are beating out P5 schools often for recruits. Not us.

You had a great coach in Peterson for a decade (or more?). We keep losing our coaches every 3-4 years.

NIU is salvageable next year. Hare (and lots of other talent) hopefully coming back and staying healthy is huge. Expectations for Carey should be conference championship AND a bowl win. Anything else is a failure from him.

After Hare leaves, the program is a complete question mark. We've been blessed with back to back to back really good QB's. (It's probably a sin to put Hare in a class with the others but whatever, he's a good QB) After Hare leaves and someone else has to step under center we could be looking at the end of MAC dominance. We need a good season next year to help with future recruiting.

(12-23-2015 06:41 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 06:38 PM)BoiseStateBrick Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 06:28 PM)NiuFootballfan Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 06:26 PM)BoiseStateBrick Wrote:  Boise State built the program on unranked, 2-stars, and walk-ons. Wouldn't be where we are now if not for those teams. The reason for success was finding the "right" guys and coaching to their potential.

But you cannot sustain and improve with 2 stars and walk-ons. Need talent to reach the next level and sorry to say, but, walkons and 2 stars usually don't fill that requirement.

Check out our recruiting classes from 2003 and 2004

These are the recruits (sans the ones that never made it) that lead us to the first Fiesta Bowl win. Only one 3-star recruit (Tadman) even made it to campus. The rest were 2-stars or unranked players.

But you have a 4-star QB now and a ton of 3-stars. We've never had a 4-star high school recruit. You guys are beating out P5 schools often for recruits. Not us.

You had a great coach in Peterson for a decade (or more?). We keep losing our coaches every 3-4 years.

+1

(12-23-2015 06:45 PM)PrideinthePack Wrote:  NIU is salvageable next year. Hare (and lots of other talent) hopefully coming back and staying healthy is huge. Expectations for Carey should be conference championship AND a bowl win. Anything else is a failure from him.

After Hare leaves, the program is a complete question mark. We've been blessed with back to back to back really good QB's. (It's probably a sin to put Hare in a class with the others but whatever, he's a good QB) After Hare leaves and someone else has to step under center we could be looking at the end of MAC dominance. We need a good season next year to help with future recruiting.

This year was the end of MAC dominance.

(12-23-2015 06:47 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 06:45 PM)PrideinthePack Wrote:  NIU is salvageable next year. Hare (and lots of other talent) hopefully coming back and staying healthy is huge. Expectations for Carey should be conference championship AND a bowl win. Anything else is a failure from him.

After Hare leaves, the program is a complete question mark. We've been blessed with back to back to back really good QB's. (It's probably a sin to put Hare in a class with the others but whatever, he's a good QB) After Hare leaves and someone else has to step under center we could be looking at the end of MAC dominance. We need a good season next year to help with future recruiting.

This year was the end of MAC dominance.

We won our division. Every year can't end with a conference championship.

Im not ready to jump of this cliff, we have some injuries on defense and offense that are significant

Maybe the expectation that we can recruit higher stars with the word "Northern" in our name is the problem?

(12-23-2015 06:51 PM)dpgohuskies Wrote:  Im not ready to jump of this cliff, we have some injuries on defense and offense that are significant

Maybe the expectation that we can recruit higher stars with the word "Northern" in our name is the problem?

Our stadium is just awful, we play in the North, and we are a MAC school. We could have the nicest facilities in CFB (and we just may), but with those first three things, you just aren't going to get too many studs.

We are being passed by.

(12-23-2015 06:41 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  But you have a 4-star QB now and a ton of 3-stars. We've never had a 4-star high school recruit. You guys are beating out P5 schools often for recruits. Not us.

You had a great coach in Peterson for a decade (or more?). We keep losing our coaches every 3-4 years.

True, but my point stays the same. You can win with "lesser" stars. It doesn't mean lesser talent, just under-recruited players. We've sent plenty of 2-stars to the NFL.

Doug Martin (2007 class) was a 2-star recruit with offers from Boise State and Cal Poly. That's it. He went in the 1st round of the NFL draft and just got selected to the pro-bowl for the second time.

Ryan Clady (2005 class) was a 2-star recruit turned 1st round pick and NFL Pr-Bowler. Shea McClellin too (minus the pro-bowl... yet ) Our #4 Darian Thompson to be the next

(12-23-2015 06:50 PM)PrideinthePack Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 06:47 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 06:45 PM)PrideinthePack Wrote:  NIU is salvageable next year. Hare (and lots of other talent) hopefully coming back and staying healthy is huge. Expectations for Carey should be conference championship AND a bowl win. Anything else is a failure from him.

After Hare leaves, the program is a complete question mark. We've been blessed with back to back to back really good QB's. (It's probably a sin to put Hare in a class with the others but whatever, he's a good QB) After Hare leaves and someone else has to step under center we could be looking at the end of MAC dominance. We need a good season next year to help with future recruiting.

This year was the end of MAC dominance.

We won our division. Every year can't end with a conference championship.

I blame the other MAC West teams, besides CMU, for making us believe we are good. Just beat us already so we dont have to endure these last 2 games.

(12-23-2015 06:54 PM)BoiseStateBrick Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 06:41 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  But you have a 4-star QB now and a ton of 3-stars. We've never had a 4-star high school recruit. You guys are beating out P5 schools often for recruits. Not us.

You had a great coach in Peterson for a decade (or more?). We keep losing our coaches every 3-4 years.

True, but my point stays the same. You can win with "lesser" stars. It doesn't mean lesser talent, just under-recruited players. We've sent plenty of 2-stars to the NFL.

Doug Martin (2007 class) was a 2-star recruit with offers from Boise State and Cal Poly. That's it. He went in the 1st round of the NFL draft and just got selected to the pro-bowl for the second time.

Ryan Clady (2005 class) was a 2-star recruit turned 1st round pick and NFL Pr-Bowler. Shea McClellin too (minus the pro-bowl... yet ) Our #4 Darian Thompson to be the next

Don't mention Shea McClellan to Bears fans. ?

(12-23-2015 06:54 PM)NIU17 Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 06:50 PM)PrideinthePack Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 06:47 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 06:45 PM)PrideinthePack Wrote:  NIU is salvageable next year. Hare (and lots of other talent) hopefully coming back and staying healthy is huge. Expectations for Carey should be conference championship AND a bowl win. Anything else is a failure from him.

After Hare leaves, the program is a complete question mark. We've been blessed with back to back to back really good QB's. (It's probably a sin to put Hare in a class with the others but whatever, he's a good QB) After Hare leaves and someone else has to step under center we could be looking at the end of MAC dominance. We need a good season next year to help with future recruiting.

This year was the end of MAC dominance.

We won our division. Every year can't end with a conference championship.

I blame the other MAC West teams, besides CMU, for making us believe we are good. Just beat us already so we dont have to endure these last 2 games.

There's no way NIU should've won the West after Hare went down.

(12-23-2015 06:54 PM)BoiseStateBrick Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 06:41 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  But you have a 4-star QB now and a ton of 3-stars. We've never had a 4-star high school recruit. You guys are beating out P5 schools often for recruits. Not us.

You had a great coach in Peterson for a decade (or more?). We keep losing our coaches every 3-4 years.

True, but my point stays the same. You can win with "lesser" stars. It doesn't mean lesser talent, just under-recruited players. We've sent plenty of 2-stars to the NFL.

Doug Martin (2007 class) was a 2-star recruit with offers from Boise State and Cal Poly. That's it. He went in the 1st round of the NFL draft and just got selected to the pro-bowl for the second time.

Ryan Clady (2005 class) was a 2-star recruit turned 1st round pick and NFL Pr-Bowler. Shea McClellin too (minus the pro-bowl... yet ) Our #4 Darian Thompson to be the next

Thank you good, sir.

And yes, it's not wise to mention Shea to Bears fans, including myself, but this is likely his last year in Chicago, so it's a moot point.

6 MACC appearances, bowl games every year, Orange Bowl, 10 win seasons, top 25 rankings, and yet we are only beating out FCS schools for recruits and getting kids with no offers. Well guess what, there's a reason no one else wants them. Sure, every once in a while you have exceptions and get diamonds in the rough, but they are just that: EXCEPTIONS. Boise built off 2 stars and walk-ons, but if you go on rivals and look through their classes, they started pulling higher profile recruits as the years progressed. You can visually see the strength of their classes building over time. We haven't done that, and it shows every time we play someone outside the MAC (sorry, but one game against OSU doesn't change my opinion).

We're getting embarrassed by Boise (on their 'down' year nonetheless), we got embarrassed by Marshall, and we got beat by Utah State when our team was supposed to be an unstoppable juggernaut that year with Lynch. I'm tired of people BS'ing and just saying "well, they were just the better team, coaches were in a difficult situation, blah blah blah." Well, how come we're not ever the 'better' team? Its been 6 six years of winning season and beating up on the MAC, and what do we have to show for it?

(12-23-2015 06:59 PM)BarsemaBone2 Wrote:  Thank you good, sir.

And yes, it's not wise to mention Shea to Bears fans, including myself, but this is likely his last year in Chicago, so it's a moot point.

LOL, I know, but he still was a local 2-star turned 1st rounder. Maybe he can find a team that actually keeps him at one position...

We've had a few 2-star guys end up being really good, which is why we won a lot of MAC games. But we don't get enough of them to play competitively against the good teams.

(12-23-2015 07:01 PM)SiegInc Wrote:  6 MACC appearances, bowl games every year, Orange Bowl, 10 win seasons, top 25 rankings, and yet we are only beating out FCS schools for recruits and getting kids with no offers. Well guess what, there's a reason no one else wants them. Sure, every once in a while you have exceptions and get diamonds in the rough, but they are just that: EXCEPTIONS. Boise built off 2 stars and walk-ons, but if you go on rivals and look through their classes, they started pulling higher profile recruits as the years progressed. You can visually see the strength of their classes building over time. We haven't done that, and it shows every time we play someone outside the MAC (sorry, but one game against OSU doesn't change my opinion).

We're getting embarrassed by Boise (on their 'down' year nonetheless), we got embarrassed by Marshall, and we got beat by Utah State when our team was supposed to be an unstoppable juggernaut that year with Lynch. I'm tired of people BS'ing and just saying "well, they were just the better team, coaches were in a difficult situation, blah blah blah." Well, how come we're not ever the 'better' team? Its been 6 six years of winning season and beating up on the MAC, and what do we have to show for it?

+1

I thought all the new facilities were supposed to help us in recruiting. Yes...I know we are in the MAC, but still we should see a benefit from this...right?

(12-23-2015 07:11 PM)Spudskie Wrote:  I thought all the new facilities were supposed to help us in recruiting. Yes...I know we are in the MAC, but still we should see a benefit from this...right?

Facilities don't matter when your stadium is garbage, fans don't go to games, it's cold outside, and you're in the MAC.